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 ehtdaedlufetarg
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 Re: Psilocybe cyanescens VS Psilocybe subaeruginosa  [Re: Sporulator]
#15600568 - 01/01/12 12:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks! Do you know why that includes Psilocybe australiana? I though it was determined to be Ps. subaeruginosa along with Ps. eucalypta and one other species that escapes me.
I think Psilocybe australiana and Psilocybe eucalypta are varieties of Psilocybe subaeruginosa
like Psilocybe bohemica, arcana etc. are varieties of Psilocybe serbica
Neat, that would make sense. Thanks.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens VS Psilocybe subaeruginosa [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#15601777 - 01/01/12 05:34 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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so educational, thanks guys.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens VS Psilocybe subaeruginosa [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#15602222 - 01/01/12 07:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Given these species are able to mate and are pretty much the same under the scope, it would seem appropriate to make Ps. subaeruginosa a variety or subspecies of Ps. cyanescens if the Phylogenetic results are a definitive match.
Wow, looks like I may have asked more than I can digest with this thread lol.
This has yiedled some amazing info, thanks for the input from all of you.
So just to clarify, due to the way the facts are pointing, would it be reasonable to assume, that if mycelium from Cyans meet with mycelium from Subs, they will form into one organism that is genetically capable of sporulation, passing on its genes? If this is so, does this mean that this is one species, or like a horse and a donkey, can reproduce and produce a 'Mule' species that is not capable of reproduction?
They mated 25% of the time in studies I believe, as is the same for Ps. serbica and Ps. azurescens. Even if they can mate, Im not sure thats enough to make them the same species, at least with fungi. Further complicating things they only mated 25% of the time as mentioned. Im not entirely sure if the result of a hybrid would be able to reproduce, but im inclined to think it would.
Given where they placed the former Weraroa, it would be interesting to see what would happen in a mating study between it and a non-sectoid species from the Ps. cyanescens/serbica complex.
This is amazing information! Has anyone ever seen a tiger, lion hybrid or "liger", the reason I mention this is because this animal "suffers" from a condition called hybrid vigor which is a condition where the offspring of two separate species this a lot bigger then either parent, if it is possible for these mushrooms to produce fruit they could end up 12-18 inches tall, could you imagine that?
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SomeGuy
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that is an interesting theory to ponder; hybrid vigor:does it happen to mushrooms. why is a mule not bigger than a horse and donkey?
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens VS Psilocybe subaeruginosa [Re: SomeGuy]
#15602278 - 01/01/12 07:40 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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that is an interesting theory to ponder; hybrid vigor:does it happen to mushrooms. why is a mule not bigger than a horse and donkey?
That is a very good question, I don't know the answer.
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wintersbefore
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that is an interesting theory to ponder; hybrid vigor:does it happen to mushrooms. why is a mule not bigger than a horse and donkey?
That is a very good question, I don't know the answer.
Not to be a downer about something that sounds cool like Ligers, but "Hibrid vigor" refers to the production of superior offspring... Ligers are larger but not superior, they actually have alot of health problems...
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens VS Psilocybe subaeruginosa [Re: wintersbefore]
#15602642 - 01/01/12 08:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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that is an interesting theory to ponder; hybrid vigor:does it happen to mushrooms. why is a mule not bigger than a horse and donkey?
That is a very good question, I don't know the answer.
Not to be a downer about something that sounds cool like Ligers, but "Hibrid vigor" refers to the production of superior offspring... Ligers are larger but not superior, they actually have alot of health problems...
Isn't there size superior to either parent? health problems or not. This is how wiki defines it- "Heterosis, or hybrid vigor, or outbreeding enhancement, is the improved or increased function of any biological quality in a hybrid offspring. The adjective derived from heterosis is heterotic.
Heterosis is the occurrence of a superior offspring from mixing the genetic contributions of its parents. These effects can be due to Mendelian or non-Mendelian inheritance.
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wintersbefore
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Isn't there size superior to either parent? health problems or not. This is how wiki defines it- "Heterosis, or hybrid vigor, or outbreeding enhancement, is the improved or increased function of any biological quality in a hybrid offspring. The adjective derived from heterosis is heterotic.
Yeh I suppose, the video just made me sad is all...
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ericos_bob
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens VS Psilocybe subaeruginosa [Re: wintersbefore]
#15658554 - 01/13/12 03:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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A liger actually never stops growing and will die of complications as it becomes too large. The reason a male lion and tigress are chosen to create a liger is because in lions it is the lioness that carries the growth limiting gene and in tigers it is the male tiger. Without the gene present the offspring will just grow and grow. You can also breed a female lion to a male tiger to create a tigon. An adult tigon on the other hand is much smaller than either a lion or tiger. It is an incredibly cruel experiment and there is nothing to be gained from it but suffering for these unfortunate animals.
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