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 TheSUbMaRiNe
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 Cons Against the Death Penalty? 
#15502399 - 12/12/11 12:37 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone have any good points arguing against the death penalty? I need to start writing an outline and speech and I'm totally drawing a blank.
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withoutawire
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: TheSUbMaRiNe]
#15502400 - 12/12/11 12:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This thread is going to be full of butthurt arguing. I can feel it in my bones.
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: withoutawire]
#15502413 - 12/12/11 12:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I have an argument. Let get 1 appeal and if they fail give them their sentence so we don't have to pay for them to sit there for 50 years.
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: withoutawire]
#15502420 - 12/12/11 12:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The Death Penalty isn't cool enough. The public doesn't support something boring like lethal injection. We want a spectacle! The Electric chair! The Noose! The Guillotine! Hell having a couple people drawn and quartered by horses every now and then would be nice.
TL;DR version- It's boring as shit nowadays.
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Soluminia
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: Speck1186]
#15502423 - 12/12/11 12:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Speck1186 said:
Yeah I have an argument. Let get 1 appeal and if they fail give them their sentence so we don't have to pay for them to sit there for 50 years.
the death penalty is more expensive then letting them live
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Cj-B
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: Soluminia]
#15502430 - 12/12/11 12:44 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Soluminia said:
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Speck1186 said:
Yeah I have an argument. Let get 1 appeal and if they fail give them their sentence so we don't have to pay for them to sit there for 50 years.
the death penalty is more expensive then letting them live
If we did it the pussy lethal injection way. Rope is cheap however...
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blujay
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: TheSUbMaRiNe]
#15502434 - 12/12/11 12:45 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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TheSUbMaRiNe said:
Anyone have any good points arguing against the death penalty? I need to start writing an outline and speech and I'm totally drawing a blank.
Killing people and then finding out they were innocent later.
Damnit, was it that hard?
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: Cj-B]
#15502440 - 12/12/11 12:46 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It's expensive from appeals. Not the drugs you inject them with, LOL.
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: Soluminia]
#15502444 - 12/12/11 12:47 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Soluminia said:
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Speck1186 said:
Yeah I have an argument. Let get 1 appeal and if they fail give them their sentence so we don't have to pay for them to sit there for 50 years.
the death penalty is more expensive then letting them live
What are you talking about? It costs $25,000 a year to as much as $40,000 a year or more to keep every inmate behind bars.
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withoutawire
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Using google would show you that the legal process for death penalty is far more expensive than life sentence. That's a fact bud.
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blujay
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CrossingTheStar said:
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Soluminia said:
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Speck1186 said:
Yeah I have an argument. Let get 1 appeal and if they fail give them their sentence so we don't have to pay for them to sit there for 50 years.
the death penalty is more expensive then letting them live
What are you talking about? It costs $25,000 a year to as much as $40,000 a year or more to keep every inmate behind bars.
Lawyers. Killing a guy ends up costing the state more than just keeping him locked up.
Furthermore, you do realize having him locked up is profitable for the shareholders of the prison and people who work there? Are you saying we should just stop filling prisons and let all those prison employees lose their jobs? YOU CANT TURK UR JEERBS!
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: Soluminia]
#15502457 - 12/12/11 12:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Soluminia said:
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Speck1186 said:
Yeah I have an argument. Let get 1 appeal and if they fail give them their sentence so we don't have to pay for them to sit there for 50 years.
the death penalty is more expensive then letting them live
That is true mainly because litigation is much more expensive in capital cases, than non-death sentence cases. Also, death row is much more expensive than regular prison.
So if they just came to a verdict quicker, and fried them faster, it might be cheaper.
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: withoutawire]
#15502458 - 12/12/11 12:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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If California dropped the death penalty all together, they'd save upwards of a billion dollars over five years.
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"The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California's current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually."
Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.
The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.
The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.
The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
California is just one example.
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Soluminia
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either way im not gonna get involved in this any longer. Your all for the death penalty if someone kills someone. But as soon as someone gets the death penalty for drugs your against it. You either support killing people for their crimes or you don't
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Lynnch
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Its been thousands of years since Jesus was sentenced to death. We still have crime. Perhaps killing criminals does not solve the problem?
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: blujay]
#15502464 - 12/12/11 12:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Most death row inmates sit there for 10-20 years before execution.
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withoutawire
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: Soluminia]
#15502466 - 12/12/11 12:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Soluminia said:
either way im not gonna get involved in this any longer. Your all for the death penalty if someone kills someone. But as soon as someone gets the death penalty for drugs your against it. You either support killing people for their crimes or you don't
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Re: Cons Against the Death Penalty? [Re: withoutawire]
#15502467 - 12/12/11 12:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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withoutawire said:
It's expensive from appeals. Not the drugs you inject them with, LOL.
Give them 1 appeal. If they lose they die. If they win they get to spend the rest of their lives in a cell...which I honestly don't see how its preferable to death. Why would anyone wanna spend decades in a prison in a small cell when they could simply die quickly and painlessly.
Also do away with that ridiculously long waiting period they give to people on death row. Fuck letting them 'contemplate their crimes' or whatever bullshit reason they have and execute the fuckers. They complain about overcrowding in prisons yet have inmates they could get rid of but don't.
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blujay
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Yes, speed up the death penalty process. Even though we're still killing innocent guys now and then. It's no big, they're going to heaven anyway, right? 
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