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#15489062 - 12/09/11 02:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/197149-house-to-vote-on-synthetic-marijuana-ban-this-week
http://thehill.com/images/stories/blogs/flooraction/Jan2011/hr1254.pdf
By Pete Kasperowicz - 12/05/11 10:39 AM ET
The House this week is expected to pass legislation that bans synthetic drugs that can affect the brain in ways similar to the active ingredient in marijuana.
The Synthetic Drug Control Act, H.R. 1254, was introduced in March by Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), and was approved by the House Judiciary Committee in early November by voice vote.
"The passage of H.R. 1254 in the Committee on the Judiciary represents another important step in efforts to ban the sale of new and dangerous synthetic drugs," Dent said after committee passage.
"The abuse of these drugs is a growing concern in communities across the country, as users are increasingly threatening public safety," he said. "Despite ongoing reports of individuals reacting violently to synthetic substances, drugs like 'bath salts' and 'plant food' are still sold legally in many states. It is time for Congress to ban these destructive substances and put an end to their sale."
The bill would put 16 "cannabimimetic" and 15 hallucinogenic drugs that can now be bought legally on Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, which bans drugs that have a high potential for abuse and have no use in medical treatment.
Supporters of the bill argue that many of these substances are sold in products labeled as bath salts and plant food, which can lead to abuse of these products.
"While many Americans may not be familiar with these new synthetic drugs, a growing number of families across the country are discovering they are as dangerous and destructive as more traditional drugs like cocaine and crystal meth," Dent said earlier this year.
The House is expected to vote on Dent's bill as early as Tuesday, and will also take up H.R. 313, the Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act. That bill amends the Controlled Substances Act to say that anyone in the U.S. involved in possession or trafficking of controlled substances outside the U.S. will be subject to the same penalties as if these activities took place in the United States.
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House approves suspension bills, delays vote on synthetic drug ban
By Pete Kasperowicz - 12/07/11 06:23 PM ET
The House on Wednesday evening quickly approved seven suspension bills by voice vote, after having debated them briefly on Monday.
Most of the bills related to land use, and none were controversial during Monday's debate.
The House also debated a bill that would ban a few dozen synthetic drugs that have effects similar to marijuana. Some Democrats objected to the bill by saying it would make medical research more difficult, and said the government already has the authority to ban dangerous substances.
A voice vote was objected to on the floor, which likely means a roll call vote will be needed Thursday. The bill is a suspension bill, which means a two-thirds vote will be needed for passage.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/197975-house-approves-suspension-bills-delays-vote-on-synthetic-drug-ban
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Illegal:
CP–47,497
JWH–018 and AM678
JWH–073
JWH–019
JWH–200
JWH–250
JWH–081
JWH–122
JWH–398
AM2201
AM694
SR–19 and RCS–4
SR–18
RCS–8
JWH– 203
Mephedrone
MDPV
Methylone
Naphyrone
Flephedrone
Bk–PMMA
N-Ethylcathinone
Ethylone
Butylone
Metamfepramone
alpha-PPP
MOPPP
MDPPP
alpha-PVP
MDAI
MPBP
2C–E
2C–D
2C-C
2C–I
2C–T–2
2C–T–4
2C–H
2C–N
2C–P
includes all agonist to CB receptor 1
and more
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-904
Number: House Vote #904 in 2011 [primary source: house.gov]
Date: Dec 8, 2011 11:13AM
Result: Passed
Bill: [Track The Bill] H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1254
Aye: 317 (73%)
97 220 0
No: 98 (23%)
82 16 0
Present: 0 (0%)
0 0 0
Not Voting: 18 (4%)
13 5 0
Required: 2/3 of 415 votes (=277 votes)
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15489076 - 12/09/11 02:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It is in the hand of the senate now.
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15489077 - 12/09/11 02:23 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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how much longer do you think JWH will be on the shelves? my gf wants to know
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: countchocula420]
#15489081 - 12/09/11 02:27 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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^this isn't a DEA emergency ban so there is no "30 days to drop your shit out of the windows".
This is done by the congress/house, so it will go in effect as soon as Obama sign it (after the senate).
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15489089 - 12/09/11 02:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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so theres a bit of time left then you'd think? you didn't really answer the question, or you're just not sure? 
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: countchocula420]
#15489095 - 12/09/11 02:32 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know, it could pass tomorrow or in a month.
Not being a US citizen I don't really know how fast your senate work, but let's say 2 weeks - 1 month could be a fair approximate.
They are usually slow, but when it comes to drugs I don't know why, all is sped up... 
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15489097 - 12/09/11 02:33 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Simplepowa said:
I don't know, it could pass tomorrow or in a month.
Not being a US citizen I don't really know how fast your senate work, but let's say 2 weeks - 1 month could be a fair approximate.
They are usually slow, but when it comes to drugs I don't know why, all is sped up...
thank you
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15489140 - 12/09/11 02:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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So is 2cb not on there? Or is that already illegal?
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: All We Perceive]
#15489143 - 12/09/11 02:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Its been illegal for years.
Time to stock up on 2c's!
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"They took the drug one evening at Leary's house and had a profound experience, during which Ginsburg prophetically realized that it was a time to start "a peace and love movement". He then ran naked around the house, attempted to get Kruschev and Kennedy on the telephone and announced to the operator that he was God."
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15489332 - 12/09/11 04:06 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I just read the fulltext on govtrack, and the 2Cs aren't listed. Does anyone know where they're listed? Link?
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: nooneman]
#15489341 - 12/09/11 04:08 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
nooneman said:
I just read the fulltext on govtrack, and the 2Cs aren't listed. Does anyone know where they're listed? Link?
http://thehill.com/images/stories/blogs/flooraction/Jan2011/hr1254.pdf
"12 ethylphenyl)ethanamine (2C–E).
13 ‘‘(36) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-
14 methylphenyl)ethanamine (2C–D).
15 ‘‘(37) 2-(4-Chloro-2,5-
16 dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C–C).
17 ‘‘(38) 2-(4-Iodo-2,5-
18 dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C–I).
19 ‘‘(39) 2-[4-(Ethylthio)-2,5-
20 dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C–T–2).
21 ‘‘(40) 2-[4-(Isopropylthio)-2,5-
22 dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C–T–4).
23 ‘‘(41) 2-(2,5-
24 Dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C–H).
mstockstill on DSK4VPTVN1PROD with BILLS
VerDate Mar 15 2010 22:36 Nov 22, 2011 Jkt 019200 PO 00000 Frm 00013 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6202 E:\BILLS\H1254.RH H125414
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1 ‘‘(42) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-nitro-
2 phenyl)ethanamine (2C–N).
3 ‘‘(43) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-(n)-
4 propylphenyl)ethanamine (2C–P).’’. "
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"They took the drug one evening at Leary's house and had a profound experience, during which Ginsburg prophetically realized that it was a time to start "a peace and love movement". He then ran naked around the house, attempted to get Kruschev and Kennedy on the telephone and announced to the operator that he was God."
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Zardos]
#15489366 - 12/09/11 04:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Too bad. Still, lots of loopholes in this bill. Trying to ban all CB1 agonists is pretty stupid in and of itself, and there are tons of ways around that. That's like making psilocin illegal but leaving psilocybin perfectly legal... Plus, it doesn't mention a damn thing about partial agonists.
The real tragedy is the 2Cs of course. Very sad, but I think everyone has been expecting it for a while. Luckily, there are still hundreds of other good legal psychedelics out there.
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: nooneman]
#15489715 - 12/09/11 08:32 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This shit is pissing me off. Congress is using  logic here... There is no research to prove they are helpful to humanity, so they must be inherently evil...
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Simplepowa]
#15491047 - 12/09/11 03:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Simplepowa said:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/197149-house-to-vote-on-synthetic-marijuana-ban-this-week
http://thehill.com/images/stories/blogs/flooraction/Jan2011/hr1254.pdf
By Pete Kasperowicz - 12/05/11 10:39 AM ET
The House this week is expected to pass legislation that bans synthetic drugs that can affect the brain in ways similar to the active ingredient in marijuana.
The Synthetic Drug Control Act, H.R. 1254, was introduced in March by Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), and was approved by the House Judiciary Committee in early November by voice vote.
"The passage of H.R. 1254 in the Committee on the Judiciary represents another important step in efforts to ban the sale of new and dangerous synthetic drugs," Dent said after committee passage.
"The abuse of these drugs is a growing concern in communities across the country, as users are increasingly threatening public safety," he said. "Despite ongoing reports of individuals reacting violently to synthetic substances, drugs like 'bath salts' and 'plant food' are still sold legally in many states. It is time for Congress to ban these destructive substances and put an end to their sale."
The bill would put 16 "cannabimimetic" and 15 hallucinogenic drugs that can now be bought legally on Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, which bans drugs that have a high potential for abuse and have no use in medical treatment.
Supporters of the bill argue that many of these substances are sold in products labeled as bath salts and plant food, which can lead to abuse of these products.
"While many Americans may not be familiar with these new synthetic drugs, a growing number of families across the country are discovering they are as dangerous and destructive as more traditional drugs like cocaine and crystal meth," Dent said earlier this year.
The House is expected to vote on Dent's bill as early as Tuesday, and will also take up H.R. 313, the Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act. That bill amends the Controlled Substances Act to say that anyone in the U.S. involved in possession or trafficking of controlled substances outside the U.S. will be subject to the same penalties as if these activities took place in the United States.
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House approves suspension bills, delays vote on synthetic drug ban
By Pete Kasperowicz - 12/07/11 06:23 PM ET
The House on Wednesday evening quickly approved seven suspension bills by voice vote, after having debated them briefly on Monday.
Most of the bills related to land use, and none were controversial during Monday's debate.
The House also debated a bill that would ban a few dozen synthetic drugs that have effects similar to marijuana. Some Democrats objected to the bill by saying it would make medical research more difficult, and said the government already has the authority to ban dangerous substances.
A voice vote was objected to on the floor, which likely means a roll call vote will be needed Thursday. The bill is a suspension bill, which means a two-thirds vote will be needed for passage.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/197975-house-approves-suspension-bills-delays-vote-on-synthetic-drug-ban
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Illegal:
CP–47,497
JWH–018 and AM678
JWH–073
JWH–019
JWH–200
JWH–250
JWH–081
JWH–122
JWH–398
AM2201
AM694
SR–19 and RCS–4
SR–18
RCS–8
JWH– 203
Mephedrone
MDPV
Methylone
Naphyrone
Flephedrone
Bk–PMMA
N-Ethylcathinone
Ethylone
Butylone
Metamfepramone
alpha-PPP
MOPPP
MDPPP
alpha-PVP
MDAI
MPBP
2C–E
2C–D
2C-C
2C–I
2C–T–2
2C–T–4
2C–H
2C–N
2C–P
includes all agonist to CB receptor 1
and more
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-904
Number: House Vote #904 in 2011 [primary source: house.gov]
Date: Dec 8, 2011 11:13AM
Result: Passed
Bill: [Track The Bill] H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1254
Aye: 317 (73%)
97 220 0
No: 98 (23%)
82 16 0
Present: 0 (0%)
0 0 0
Not Voting: 18 (4%)
13 5 0
Required: 2/3 of 415 votes (=277 votes)
I have read the bill and it does not state all cb 1 receptors are banned. It says:
`(A) The term `cannabimimetic agents' means any substance that is a cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1 receptor) agonist as demonstrated by binding studies and functional assays within any of the following structural classes:
`(i) 2-(3-hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol with substitution at the 5-position of the phenolic ring by alkyl or alkenyl, whether or not substituted on the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.
`(ii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)indole or 3-(1-naphthylmethane)indole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted on the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl or naphthyl ring to any extent.
`(iii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl ring to any extent.
`(iv) 1-(1-naphthylmethylene)indene by substitution of the 3-position of the indene ring, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthyl ring to any extent.
`(v) 3-phenylacetylindole or 3-benzoylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the phenyl ring to any extent.
May I emphasize "under the following structure classes"
This leaves a wide range of new developement.
The war on prohibition continues
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Benchmark]
#15491141 - 12/09/11 03:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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So are all of these main suppliers stock pretty much booked and already sold ? Ive read a lot of posts talking about awesome discounts and sites already shutting down.
Think there is really anything left ?
So the NBOME's would fall into this category to ?
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: CounterCulturest]
#15491149 - 12/09/11 03:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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If this doesn't pass does that mean we will keep on keepin on like before ? or is the consensus that it is over and done with ?
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: CounterCulturest]
#15491206 - 12/09/11 04:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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No the NBOme's do not fall under this bill's sweeping terminology
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#15491838 - 12/09/11 06:42 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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if the bill doesnt pass we continue like it never happened. And the chemical are still available. depending on what people paid you may find a huge discount just to take it off peoples hands. They would rather make something rather than throw it away or risk prison time
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Benchmark]
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: guest1]
#15495408 - 12/10/11 02:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It's comforting to know that at this crucial juncture in time, that this is what our "leaders" are focusing on. Fucktyfuck
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: CounterCulturest]
#15496611 - 12/10/11 07:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
CounterCulturest said:
Think there is really anything left ?
There are still literally hundreds of psychedelics made by Shulgin ALONE that are still as pseudo legal as ever. And then there are hundreds that weren't made by Shulgin.
As long as there are interested chemists, there will always be new psychedelics. The RC community is here to stay.
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: nooneman]
#15496804 - 12/10/11 08:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
nooneman said:
Quote:
CounterCulturest said:
Think there is really anything left ?
There are still literally hundreds of psychedelics made by Shulgin ALONE that are still as pseudo legal as ever. And then there are hundreds that weren't made by Shulgin.
As long as there are interested chemists, there will always be new psychedelics. The RC community is here to stay.
Oh for sure. Ive read both of his books (pih and tih) Including most of the chemical reviews.
I was just referring to the 2c's. Like are there really any vendors with much left. Sounds like everyone jumped on them already.
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: CounterCulturest]
#15501956 - 12/11/11 11:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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jwh-120 will still be around.
it's not a cb1 agonist, only cb2. i dunno how good it is though, or whether many vendors will sell it (kinda risky.)
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: AquaKet]
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Re: H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 Passed [Re: Wingman4l7]
#15546770 - 12/20/11 08:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Senate is out until jan 23, 2012. Bought another month. Plus I am reading about plenty of "important" people outraged by this bill. Reasoning from how much it will cost to jail non violent criminals and how effective prohibition has never been, all the way to leaving no room for scientific studies. So far looking good. Although whatever government wants government can have.
War on prohibition continues...
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