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Anonymous #7 said:
Methamphetamine, sir.

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Anonymous #1 said:
Thanks for the reply. I really hope that at least with the 4fa my shlong will work a little better and not be as prone to the hella fucking awful stim dick. I'm sure it'll still be an issue, but idk. I guess illfind out how the 4fa works soon enough. Ill report back in a week or so, assuming she's not 'unavailable' next Friday. Otherwise it'll have to be postponed for another 2 weeks (she works every other weekend).

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4FA ain't all bad... Better than nothing... But trust me, you'll be yearning for that cathinone rush.

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Can't just up the dose, munch more powder?

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I was doing like 300mg doses... followed by 100mg up the nose... I'm not really sure I'd feel safe taking even more.

It just doesn't have that euphoric rush...

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Thanks for the reply. I really hope that at least with the 4fa my shlong will work a little better and not be as prone to the hella fucking awful stim dick. I'm sure it'll still be an issue, but idk. I guess illfind out how the 4fa works soon enough. Ill report back in a week or so, assuming she's not 'unavailable' next Friday. Otherwise it'll have to be postponed for another 2 weeks (she works every other weekend).

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First, to address your question...

If you go into it expecting it to be just like the cathinones, you may be a bit disappointed. On the other hand, going into the experience with an open mind, you may find value in them. 4-fa (and 4-fma) act similar to traditional amphetamines on my sex drive. I felt a little  serotonergic action...almost a roll-type-feeling, which I think may have contributed something to the experience, over traditonal d-amp. IME  Just a tiny bit closer to MDMA-ish-feeling than regular d-amp. 

Seems you tried 2/3 of the "Big 3" That just got the ban hammer...but don't mention MDPV.  (Rant Alert... if you don't want my in depth thoughts and experiences, sexually, with MDPV, you can skip to more new sexy stim discussion.)





The  Greatest and Worst Drug I've Ever Taken


I assure you that aside from being impossibly moreish and addictive, it is the most pro-sexual drug I have ever come in contact with, or heard of. While the responsible, balanced part of myself is somewhat glad it's now harder to get, another part of me mourns the loss of ta super intense sexual rush that I may never feel again.   (Destructive as it may have been.) I say destructive, because of this:

Insufflation of the hcl has the effect, but in a weaker form, with less euphoria as compared to jitteriness (though the euphoria was there, if you got the dose right.)  However, the optimal way to sexualize MDPV was using a harder ROA. Nameably vaporization. Vaping the hcl had a huge rush, but much greater side effects. I found, however, that using the freebase...it became the Ultimate Accompaniment in a seemingly non-stop porn-and masturbation session.



What Use is a Floppy Stim Dick?


Now... since these drugs vasoconstrict, (especially stuff like this, when vaporized) one had to  be VERY careful not to take too much, and only hover above the threshold of euphoria, with spaced out small doses. in this state it is at least sometimes possible to have a hard-on no problem. A pump of some kind can help.

[Pro-Tip: If you have rigid, spartan self-control, and can hover around a lower dose, making sure to space your hits far apart, and keep them small, and chase this low plateau for a while, it is the proper place to be, and one of the best times you can have with this drug, IME...but good luck maintaining control)

Or you have to find another way...




Man! I Feel Like a Woman!
(In which a fortuitous lack of viagra leads our protagonist to a discovery.)

Unfortunately I had no access to drugs like viagra. Ginkgo and niacin helped a bit, but not much. And on an extended binge, one can forget to take such things (or luxuries, such as food, water, or sleep. Sleep is for unfortunate folks who are not having the jack session of the gods. Although... which gods...? hm....)

  Upon first tasting that sweet oddly-sexual flavored base, I got the urge to watch hard porn, which I followed. Then an odd occurance.. i had similar sensations previously on higher doses of MDMA when looking at porn... but that had been a fraction of this... just the act of looking at the  porn caused a little leaking of "precum", and a minor orgasmic sensation.  I almost felt I was going to shoot in my pants without being touched. Now...my penis is average. Some girls say it's pretty decent and I've sure never had complaints. In this instance however, I was sporting a sock-hard negative-1 1/2 incher.

I realized I was in danger of rupturing a nut or possibly cattle-rape if I didn't violate myself IMMEDIATELY. Such a sense of frantic, lusty urgency...

I thought back to my experiments with prostate stimulation. I'd done it with a few girlfriends (though just dabbling a few times, with no super results) and I had done it myself, in occasional masturbation sessions, with considerably better results. I couldn't orgasm from the prostate alone...but it gave me something close to low-grade, prolonged mini-orgasmic bursts that I sometimes chased like a drug (when sober, with minor porn marathons.) If I added penile stimulation, I could orgasm HARD with tons of ejaculate..(even when limp, as I sometimes became during the prostate stimulation,...)

So I took a huge rip of pv base, clicked on some compilation porn, and stimulated myself. Funny thing... when I stuck it in...just once, I almost came right away. It was like my prostate became a G spot or something!!!???!!!!  I had never felt anything quite like it. Usually the prostate takes a while to "warm up" when sober. I need to be really turned on first, to get any decent results.

Three Straight Days and around 1.5 grams later, I experienced one of the bigger prices of this chem. The crash was nearly suicidal in despair and self-doubt(the actually suicidal ones came later... no I never did anything... I like to *think* I maintain a grip in the slipperiest of situations... though pv brought me closest to the edge)

...but that rush.... does anything really compare?

No...seriously.... 

And so began the darkest romance I've ever had. Ended by some dicks selling "bath salts" and my uncle's bratty kids at Enforcement.








Sexy new pv-alogues?
(Or: "A PV By Any Other Name...")


While waiting for more data on the new pv-logues, so I knew where to start my sad little chase, I tried 4-fa and 4-fma with results as I described above.

The next was a-pvp. Very similar in structure to its MD-buddy. By the time I got my hands on it, I had done enough reading (including a few initial vaporization trials) to know it would vape, so this is the only way I've tried this one. Whops. Behaved VERY similar to the classic PerV. Weaker, bigger dosage required, less rush.

Just as with MDPV, it seems vaped a-pvp hcl is inferior to the base. When you add water to a-pvp and bicarbonate, it starts to sizzle, then turns that familiar neon-yellow color one can see when playing with the other base. Taste is very similar.

The rush is okay, and of course proportionate to dose. The rush from vaped a-pvp base has some of the best aspects of the mdpv rush, but in lesser, muted form. (still a tad closer than I expected.) Aside from the stimulation, there is a very pleasant, almost relaxing feeling there, if you  look for it.

Less paranoia (but that is not saying much... still worlds worse than crack paranoia ever was for me. Worlds. Whereas mdpv was another fucking dimension where I was the Main Detainee and Primary Victim.) Admittedly, it is probably worse because I have snooping landlords, and a BAD history with paranoid psychosis induced by similar drugs, so I have a bit of background paranoia, and my present environment is not the best place for such research. But... I had to do the best with what I had.   The comedown seemed a bit delayed from where pv would have brought me down, it sucked for a bit but was considerably more gentle. Bit of clonidine, suboxone (scripted), and JWH-xxx/AM-xxx and I was smiling again in no time. lol




And Then There's Pentylone

... yet another pyrovalerone-derivatiive. I heard some promising things about this one... was not ANYTHING like I expected.

Vapes poorly, BOTH hcl and base. Smoking wasn't much more impressive, worked around as well as vaporization.  Weak rush like vaping propylhexedrine. Not worth it unless you have nothing to do and tons of shit to burn. Less euphoric than vaping 4-fa and 4-fma (slightly better than this stuff... still magnitudes of order below  The Standard)

Insufflation of smallish amounts proved interesting. 20-50mg or so in a bump... small, almost muted push forward, almost hard to notice coming on at that dose... can it get stronger? Doesn't seem hugely pro-sexul, but admittedly was first sampled after being awake over 24 hours follwing the a-pvp trail. Its feel almost reminds me of a methylphenidate-lite (which insufflated in large enough doses can ALMOST rival a pryovalerone for carnality, IME)... so maybe I will have to await further trials. Then again, maybe that part of what makes it so "lite" might kill a bit of the sexual magick.

I will say, though.. that for a somewhat-close relative of the other two..this one is almost TOTALLY devoid of a comedown or crash. No shit.  After a couple semi-successful vape trials, and a small handful of bumps over the course of an evening (between which I might lightly crave the next but could make myself wait, and enjoy whatever i was doing in the meantime instead of giving in just yet...)  I stopped at a seemingly "responsible" point, with quite a bit of my 1g stash left, quite comfortably... a feat I have found difficult to near-impossible with the others in my possession.

Seems that both PV Classic and a-pvp  have the power to leave me shaking and breathless in a puddle of my own sweat on the floor of a 45 degree room, practically hate-fucking myself  to compilation porn of cumshots and rough sex. (Though the latter is to a bit of a lesser degree, for much more material... 1 gram in around 14 hours with no real tolerance.)

Pentylone seems little like its cousins. I think this is the first truly functional stim I have seen on the RC market that I have not yet found major drawbacks to.  Shame that such a seemingly friendly and possibly utilitarian pyrovalerone may not be available soon.



Next On The Menu?


Not sure if I want to try a-ppp next, or mdppp. Both look rather promising. I've heard mixed stuff about pentedrone, including some negative reports about effects when vaporizing... so I'm reluctant... definitely would enjoy another run with this one, though...(Yeah... why is it that we get all these neat chems flooding the market a fucking month before they're gonna get the ban hammer?)


Not sure why these pyrovalerone derivatives seem SO sexually stimulating, and it COMPLETELY BAFFLES ME how these are the ONLY stimulants that give that weird prostate-into-g-spot-conversion-fucking-voodoo-effect. I have almost had some of the most orgasmic (full body, long lasting) sensations of my life... but sharpest, clearest, and strongest on the aforementioned pv's....

....if this is an area you might want to explore, be warned that there can be a price, if you want to Know How It Feels. (And part of that price is seemingly never forgetting what you now Know.) However, the window to explore some of these may soon be closing if you are in the US.





Kudos if you're eyes aren't burning. Excuse me for the long and rambling post. I promise there's a black little gem  or two in my big block of blah-blah-blah for the most expeditiously debaucherous among you to weed out. I'm now at around 36 hours without sleep. Though I should note--I feel rather okay for having been on a ride of such length, compared to the Aftermath of Binging for a similar duration on The Classic.



Anyway...Great thread. Keep the stories cuming.

And you know what I mean by "stories..."



....posts about drugs that help enhance enjoyment of carnal depravity, of course,  you geeked out perv....




...we have such sights to show you....


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...what's your pleasure?...





[The above is part of a written account  found in  a library and transcribed here for information purposes only.]

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Jesus H Christ man...what a fucking post! Like some novels, I feel I may need to read that again at a future date.

So, I have an unused oil pipe (meth pipe) from my dmt trials. I didn't know you can vape some of this shit. Ill try some 4fa when it comes in.

I wish I knew who you were so I could issue some shrooms for that post. (And no, I can't twll you've been on a 36 hour bender  

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I hope you're getting a good bit more than a gram, or planning on just testing a pinch. If you do, here is my take:

A- This is a reasonably workable, but SUB-PAR chem for this ROA, IME. In fairness, my experience with the vaped 4-fa was in a single session, following a while after tests with oral and intranasal dosing. therefore, it might follow that trials with solely the vapor ROA may not follow quite the same... You DO get a bit of a tingly rush after chasing it (yes, even when already high on oral and insuflated doses). This rush is short lived, and IMHO adds more "physical" effects than amping up the euphoria all that much...

B- The freebase (or a crude preparation thereof) seems about the same when vaped as the hcl.

C- I have found that some chems vape easier out of an oil pipe than others. Sadly, I haven't had one for some time. (An oil pipe, of course. I have chemicals all the time. ) My last one shattered, when it didn't like what I was trying make it do with MDPV freebase. Or maybe some residual DiMiTri in the chamber went to battle with the nefarious pv, in an act of loving protection,  and shattered the vessel...hm...

I will add as a note, though: MDPV seemed to do better from foil than my attempts in lightbulb vapes. It took a bit to master ripping it off foil, but I can make some disposable vaping devices out of only heavy duty foil that would blow your mind. lol I suspect a-pvp might vape better from glass...maybe... that one was a bit tricky to work with in that regard.. one of the chem's biggest drawbacks...anyway...


D- Here's the kicker: I think it is mostly a waste to vaporize, as with pentylone. It works, a little bit, but you seem to get a lot more bang for your buck out of the other ROA's.  Believe me... if I can abuse it as a pv replacement for my deviant pleasure (a-la vapor and huge rush) I am all the way down... but for me, 4-fa and 4-fma were at their sexiest in oral/nasal administration.

That being said...It's not all that moreish vaporized, IME. Like a fucking kiddie craving, compared to nearly anything else. (on the other hand, during vaped trials, I had the urge to stuff more into my nose... which I rarely EVER did through seemingly nonstop grams of pv...) however, I can see someone who is already a bit twacked out and in that headspace, perhaps wanting to chase that high, or see if it gets bigger...if you find yourself in that situation, hear my imaginary internet voice in your head...

...it doesn't get any better... save your stash for better stuff, or send it to me.

Oh, and I was thinking of actually attaching my screen name to this post.   Maybe I'll sleep on it.