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 Re: Time to build a new rig  [Re: Az0th]
#15490326 - 12/09/11 12:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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a burn in test? 
come on it's as though you wrote a book  did you think to copy right that book first?
once again I submit to you, what game out there is going to take a processor to it's max that it will stop at the rate it's currently clocked at because the game is running it so high. as far as I know even battlefield 3 can run on the i3 processor, most of the processing power needed for those games rests on the gpu. if it can't then ok a higher end processor might be necessary but once again an i3 compared to an i7 for people running games and applications, in that situation most people will never ever realize the difference between what they are getting. it's minimal until you start revving up that processor to the point where it's about to explode
in this situation I'd have to say as engineer it might be necessary to have such heavy processing power, but as a gamer? if you want to run 4 virtual machines with 10 applications running on each one at the same time, then you are getting into the realm where you might need such intense processing power. but once again I submit to you, if this guy really trying to be an engineer or is he trying to build a gaming computer? if he wanted to be an engineer then why not build a server with two i3 processors, it will be an intense machine. if he wanted he could throw in the top of the line graphics card onto an expansion slot, or throw on two geforce cards with 2 gb video ram each and an sli connector considering that each card would be sli compatible. you see what I'm saying? not at all trying to explain the highest end possible machine you could build, I was simply trying to explain to OP to build a machine that is adequate, going far over the $1000 line might not be reasonable considering he might not need a machine that is capable of engineering but simply one that is capable of running games
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: Az0th]
#15490347 - 12/09/11 12:36 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah the numbers really do speak for themselves. The current i7 chips make laps around similarly priced AMDs. People like to say oh well AMD hit the world record 8.x GHz... yeah on 2 cores. And they didn't run any benchmarks just posted a CPU-z score. A super mega overclock means nothing if it can't run stable under load. The true test is an extended burn in test. And those AMD chips from what I have seen, do not tend to handle it well.
if I read what you said correctly, you said amd clocked a two core processor not made to run over 4 ghz at 8 ghz? I would say that would be a pretty good world record. and you are saying the intel i7 processor at 4 cores beat that record? that is amazing. once again, I'm not trying to insult you, simply trying to say most gamers will never clock a processor over 4 ghz. to say you want to experiment in that realm would tell me you are a true engineer.
I understand my answer isn't descriptive to the manual, just saying I wasn't trying to be descriptive to the manual. the i7 is an amazing processor. here is what I think, it's over priced, in 5 years the i7 is going to be much cheaper, it will be yesterdays processor the way the i3 now is. none the less, the i3 currently for the price it is at is an amazing processor. I could go online and look up stats for these processors all day, but just because I don't want to, I will refer to this, to show why I believe the i3 is still a top of the line processor by todays standards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core
they are all based on sandy bridge architecture. now why is an amd six core processor so under rated if it has such good standards??
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel]
#15490607 - 12/09/11 01:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Imachavel, if what you were saying is true there would be no PC gaming market at all. Different applications for different hardware.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: Everlong]
#15490873 - 12/09/11 02:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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no I understand there is different applications. but that is more of what I was actually trying to say. why do you need a 6 core processor to build a gaming machine when an earlier 4 core processor will work just fine?
it's like throwing money down the tube. if you want a machine that will last through the decade and will still be playing games in 2017 ok, that is why building a gaming computer is such a risk compared to getting a console. you build a pc with parts that are AWESOME to run games they have now, then 5 years later they have a new battlefield that requires more processing and caching power. I'm just saying to run current games you don't NEED an i7 processor. it's a good investment to keep around I'll give you that.
now on the other hand having a lot of processing power isn't a bad thing, there are more then just games to run. I was just trying to make a point that to run battlefield 3, you could use an i3, a good nvidia geforce card, as little as 4 gigs of ram, and an hdd with good rpms. if you want to play online you STILL don't NEED a high end network interface adapter as most i.s.p. modems don't surpass 33 mbps, and still do fine. the only point I am trying to make is this, financially speaking, why spend over $1250 on a gaming machine. if you built a server with two older quad core processors, threw in an nvidia geforce gaming card into an expansion slot, you might STILL spend less then $1250, and have an intense machine, you could use for other purposes besides gaming.
why spend an extra $100? a lot of gamers get so extreme, some people don't have an extra $100 to spend, that is a lot of money you have to work for. then they get so upset when you question their logic of needing the fanciest hardware, as though they are expensive and you are cheapening them to a lower level then they deserve to be it, and question their logic and knowledge that took years and years of experience and hard work to achieve. listen, for $100, I can buy 3 meals, fill my car with gas, drive $100 miles, and buy a really cheap motel to stay in for the night. that money takes quite a bit of time to earn.
ok so my advice isn't ALWAYS 100% accurate, but I don't claim it is. I give general advice to people, and I expect them to look some things up on their own. if you are going to build a computer, you need some experience, if you are just going to go to a forum and take someone else's advice, you might as well just wrap your money into a cigar and smoke it. you need to look some things up and understand pc compatibility. you need to know how to install an OS. now getting good advice on a forum is a sound thing to do. I have nothing against really accurate answers. will an intel i7 microprocessor clocked at 3.3 ghz be sufficient?? SURE IT WILL! I am just saying an i3 might work just as well. an amd processor might work well also. being obsessive over which processor works better looking at things from an engineering stand point is sometimes ridiculous, if I work at the top office of intel as an electrical engineer, of course I am going to think an i7 is much more sufficient. but looking at things from the view point of someone who knows that $200 buys you more then just a sand which might say: "don't spend your money on that now, when the price line will reduce drastically later on, that is money you could be saving to buy a new car" is it really worth it that much to play battlefield 3?
cmon, am I wrong? shroomism writing a novel on comparing hardware specifications and performance is the nicest thing you can see on the internet, in some places you will NEVER get so much help. it's very generous as many people will tell you to go climb a tree and fuck yourself compared to giving out 4 pages of advice. I'm simply questioning his logic of making such extreme comparisons. I assume someone building a gaming computer will not be spending that much money, just to have a computer that will play games, and will be using the computer for other personal/business related things as well. in such a case, you must weigh out if it's important enough to need such intense processing power, if you want to do other things with a machine, or simply play really high end video games.
if you want to play really high end video games, a simple 3.0 ghz quad core processor and 3 gigs ram will be sufficient with a good enough build to compensate. most of the reliability needed for gaming comes from the necessity for higher end graphics processing and caching. am I entirely wrong???
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel]
#15491007 - 12/09/11 03:14 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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> LOL Wut? Any particular reason for this statement? (Ditch AMD)
About ten years ago, AMD was winning the battle, and I would have recommended AMD over Intel. However, times change, and right now Intel's performance per dollar is much better than AMD on the middle-end market. AMD cannot compete on the high-end market, and gamers aren't really interested in stuff on the low-end market. For servers, and low-end hardaware, AMD is a option that should still be considered.
At no point did I ever try to sell AMD as the be all end all to CPUs, I simply offered op my first hand experience with a "budget" rig. Currently my Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition is playing anything and everything I can throw at it. Games these days are more GPU intensive anyway. If you prefer Intel so be it however "ditch AMD" may be a tad harsh don't you think?
AMD is no longer trying to compete with intel, they're now focusing on the mobile market only (they've already discontinued the phenom II). bulldozer was an epic fail (it barely even competes with the phenom II and when you factor in the price difference, it CAN'T compete unless you're looking for something with eight cores, at which point you're better off buying one of the newer i7s anyway), but as shroomism said, intels price/performance ratio is far better than AMDs now.
when building a computer you need to know what your budget is and what you want to do with it (do you want high end gaming at high resolutions, or will it just be for browsing the web). then you should google some benchmarks and ask forums, actual tech forums and not places like the shroomery where you'll get noobs like imachavel who spread nonsense, if what you think you want will work together; nothing bottlenecks your system, a large enough PSU, that sort of thing.
be sure to check out the benchmarks of any GPUs/CPUs you're looking to buy and make sure it will run what you want at a decent framerate
also, you don't need to buy a "bronze" PSU, just make sure it's an "80+ certified" with good reviews and a good reputable name brand (antec, corsair etc).
@OP since you're looking for a multiple GPU solution i would say go for a 6950 it's price:performance is astounding especially if you find one that can be flashed to a 6970. two 6950s perform on par and even better sometimes than two GTX 580s. for the proccessor you're better off going with an i5 7xx or i5 2500 than buying any of AMDs solutions.
personally i think right now is a bad time to buy a high end GPU both AMD and Nvidia are going to release their new generation in the next 6months, i'd go with something really cheap (5770-6850) then upgrade when the new hardware is released.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel]
#15491045 - 12/09/11 03:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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if you want to play really high end video games, a simple 3.0 ghz quad core processor and 3 gigs ram will be sufficient with a good enough build to compensate. most of the reliability needed for gaming comes from the necessity for higher end graphics processing and caching. am I entirely wrong???
LOL the speed of the processor has very little to do with actual in game performance. look at some benchmarks, an i5 760(not even sandy bridge) at 2.8ghz destroys a faildozer at 3.6ghz. dont beleave me? look --> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=191 (scroll to the bottom to see the difference in games)
you honestly could not be more wrong, games rely far more on graphics cards (aka GPU) than processors (CPU), also who the hell is going to settle for 3gigs of RAM? it is dirt cheap these days (~$40 for 8 gigs, so why the fuck not get it?)
i remember why i had you on ignore. bye again
PS the rps of a harddrive has literally NOTHING to do with ingame performance, the faster the read speeds of a harddrive the lower the loading times will be, but it's the difference between spending 30 seconds staring at a loading screen compared to 50seconds.. your harddrive speed changes nothing else.
PPS battlefeild 3 scales to eight cores, which means that dual core i3 does considerably less in benchmarks compared to an i7.
can this kid please be banned?
if he's trolling than that's reason enough, if he's really this dumb than he shouldn't be allowed to give advice on these topics anyway.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: Az0th]
#15491284 - 12/09/11 04:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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P67/Z68, i5 2500k(i7 2600k??), 8/12 GB DDR3, 560Ti 2GB (SLI?), 800+ watt 85+ rated PSU, Beast mode engaged at the best bang for the buck.
Don't bother with X79 chipset, P67/z68 is 'just as good' for half the price currently.
Ivy bridge chips coming out soon anyway. With PCI-E 3.0. Which will work with current Sandy bridge mobos.
the 2600k has NO performance gain over a 2500k when gaming. and the 560ti is the most over hyped graphics card i've ever seen.
the 6950 costs ~$10-$20 more and has better performance all around (and a HUGE gain over it when you move into higher resolutions), compare crossfired 6950s to SLI 560s and the 6950s blow them 560s out of the water.
best bang for buck would have to be a i7 920 (OCed), 8 gigs RAM, 750W PSU and a 6870
you seem to have forgotten the buck part to "bestbang for the buck".
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I'm really happy with my 560 Ti so far and my i5 2500k. Runs skyrim and every other game on ultra. Haven't tried BF3 yet but I assume it will it run very well.
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can this kid please be banned?
if he's trolling than that's reason enough, if he's really this dumb than he shouldn't be allowed to give advice on these topics anyway.
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wow, after reading this shit I can't believe I got a 2 year ban while everyone else just goes un noticed. ok no problem I'm a newb waste over $300 on an i7 processor that will drop down to $100 in a few years while an i3 is extremely adequate. it's funny how people seem to skip everything I say, for example argueing that a game takes more gpu power then anything else, wait I said it didn't??! 
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i remember why i had you on ignore. bye again
PS the rps of a harddrive has literally NOTHING to do with ingame performance, the faster the read speeds of a harddrive the lower the loading times will be, but it's the difference between spending 30 seconds staring at a loading screen compared to 50seconds.. your harddrive speed changes nothing else.
PPS battlefeild 3 scales to eight cores, which means that dual core i3 does considerably less in benchmarks compared to an i7.
can this kid please be banned?
if he's trolling than that's reason enough, if he's really this dumb than he shouldn't be allowed to give advice on these topics anyway.
really, two i3 processors probably equaling well over 5.5 ghz is going to get less processing power then one i7? jesus, I guess all these years people building servers with four processors a processor in each socket have been retarded thinking they will get quadruple the processing power. fucking please
I'll go build a server with 4 processors each dual core and get more processing power then your one i7, I'm the troll, total fucking bullshit
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel] 1
#15505553 - 12/12/11 05:55 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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What the fuck are you babbling about now?
Ok, so you're going to build a server board. Great. We sell one, here it is. But wait... you can't just pop 2 i3s in there or even i7s. They have to be Dual QPI Xeons.
So you go out and buy 2x Xeon 5590s or 5580s.
So now your total is sitting around $3,800 and you've only bought the motherboard and CPUs.
Throw in some high end GPUs, HDDs and a good PSU and your total is closer to ~5k.
Wait... what was the point you were trying to make again??
You were saying something about throwing money down the tube, and if you spend 1500 you might as well buy a server board??
Oh wait, that's right you were going to build a server board based on 5 year old outdated dual core technology.
That's great and all and you might save a few bucks, but the i7 would STOMP FUCKING CIRCLES around it.
PLEASE show me what server board you are going to use with 4x dual cores, that will outperform an i7. Please.
Two i3s equaling 5.5Ghz? WTF are you talking about? With dual CPUs, you do not ADD the frequency of both CPUs to get your total. And please tell me what board you are going to run two i3s on? Because I have never seen this magical board. But then again, I don't know everything. If I am wrong, then enlighten me, please.
And unless you are playing Microsoft Flight Sim X or World of fucking Warcraft, then your GPU is ONE of the biggest factors in gaming performance.
And if you are going to run a 580/570/560 or someshit with a 775 socket chip, you ARE going to be bottlenecked by the CPU.
I talk to gamers every single day. Many of them OC above 4GHz.
An i3 will be cheaper yes. But this isn't last years technology. This is today's technology, the i3 chips are usually dual cores. They are the "entry level" chips on the 1156/1155 socket. Good enough for most games yes, but you will get better performance for new and future games by upgrading to a slightly better chip. You don't have to spend $1,500 on a CPU, THAT is the waste of money. But spending an extra $150 on the CPU to upgrade to a much better and faster chip will net you a lot more performance per dollar. Like people that right now, buy a board and pop a 990x in it. That's >$1,000 just for the CPU. Where a $250 i7 Sandy Bridge will perform just as good. You have to consider your price range and what performance you want. I don't know about you but I don't buy new hardware that I know is going to be outdated in 3 months. (or something that was outdated 2 years ago). I get something in the middle.
EVERY PIECE OF HARDWARE OUT NOW WILL BE CHEAPER IN A YEAR OR TWO.
That is how it works. As I explained earlier.
You can choose to have the latest and greatest, and you WILL pay out the ass for it.
Or you can buy last week's technology, and pay significantly less but have something still competitive.
Or you can sit here and argue with people who know a lot more than you, babbling about how 5 year old technology is somehow going to be able to compete with todays latest and greatest. No, it's not.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel]
#15505767 - 12/12/11 06:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I can't believe I got a 2 year ban
maybe you shouldn't have been trying to troll a mod?
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come on it's as though you wrote a book did you think to copy right that book first?
it's funny how you've written more than him on the subject, and EVERYTHING you said was either irrelevant or downright WRONG.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: Deity208]
#15506368 - 12/12/11 08:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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In light of Intel's new manufacturing process for their next-gen chips (Ivy bridge, current i series being Sandy bridge, I believe?) AMD is backing out of the desktop market because it will no longer be profitable for them to attempt to compete. When you combine this with some of their general mis-steps in the last generation, it's a bummer- but I would go with Intel.
On the other hand, it's a good excuse to build a cheap AMD box now.
Buying an i7 series chip for your desktop is completely unnecessary (even moving forward) and completely awesome. If you have the extra $100 or whatever, go for it. If it means cutting back on your graphics card, fuck sake take the marginal graphics gain today. Honestly i5 is overkill. I built my girl an i5 rig and told her it will run every game produced in the next decade for sure with nothing more than a 150$ graphics upgrade as the price for better cards drops- and possibly without it- and that's almost surely accurate due to how development accomodates the lowest common denominator (cough, consoles) when possible.
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Remember, a faster processor doesn't buy skill either. I could rape you in any Source based game with a 2.4ghz + 8600gt + 1gb of ram box that costs ~400 bucks nowadays.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: blujay]
#15506832 - 12/12/11 09:38 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Remember, a faster processor doesn't buy skill either. I could rape you in any Source based game with a 2.4ghz + 8600gt + 1gb of ram box that costs ~400 bucks nowadays.
as if this has any relevance to the topic at hand?
have fun with your shitty graphics, internet tough guy.
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Buying an i7 series chip for your desktop is completely unnecessary
uhh, not for people who use their computers for more than just games and browsing the web.
also the last gen i7s are great chips for gaming, and have amazing OC potential. (you can also buy them for around the same price as the new 2500 chips)
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If it means cutting back on your graphics card, fuck sake take the marginal graphics gain today
i already said graphics cards are more important than CPUs for gaming, but if someone needs a more powerful processor for converting files or something else CPU intensive, getting a cheaper GPU is obviously the better option.
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Honestly i5 is overkill
maybe for watching my little pony videos, but for gaming and the average computer user i would have to disagree. especially when you factor in the overclock potential, it has the best performance:price ratio you can get right now.
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I built my girl an i5 rig and told her it will run every game produced in the next decade for sure with nothing more than a 150$ graphics upgrade as the price for better cards drops- and possibly without it- and that's almost surely accurate due to how development accommodates the lowest common denominator (cough, consoles) when possible.
i don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. but this right here tells me you know NOTHING about computers (no wonder you agree with the troll; who by the way was making no sense, so i have no idea how you managed to decipher and agree, with what he was saying).
the new consoles are going to be released within a year/two years, than there's the fact that the next gen of GPUs are just around the corner (new architecture and not just rebranded radeon 5xx and GTX 4x cards, like our current gen GPUs) the developers will be opting for this new hardware and i guarantee within three years your will be struggling at high resolutions for the new games, even with a second one. look up moors law (it's not really a law) and the exponential growth of computers and their hardware.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: Az0th]
#15507062 - 12/12/11 10:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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ok I guess I don't have to come up with the most extreme examples to make a point every time I say something, but then you make extreme examples as well. $3300 for a server? sure, if you build a server with
quad socket motherboard -$700
4 six-eight core opteron procesors - $1200
128 gigs of ram - who fucking knows it's going to be sky high
6 raid 1+0 drives - $600
all the other crap, 4 heat sinks, power supply if it doesn't come with board
rack mount server case - $600
yeah then it's going to be $3300, but you don't need to spend that much to build a computer with a server board, look at this dual socket board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378
it's only $259, yeah that's not cheap. ok then the socket type is Dual LGA 1366 Intel 5500, I haven't even checked if that is old or new, it very well might not support i7 but maybe older intel chip. ok so my example is extreme, but another thing I clearly pointed out that the gpu is doing MOST of the work here. I said you don't NEED more then 2 gigs of ram to run battlefield 3, or a seriously intense 6 core processor, although it's going to be rough without at least a quad core. now if you plan to use it for other things besides gaming, then of course spruce it up why not. also take this into account:
the next gen console will most likely be out in a year or so, it will most likely include top of the line gpu performance, such as the nvidia quadro fx which has 4 gigs of video ram and clocks 512 bit processing at whatever rate it runs at. that card right now isn't made for gaming, but I believe there is an equivalent card an nvidia geforce card that has the same performance. that card right now is probably almost $400 or even more then $400. the next gen console, despite whoever releases it first, microsoft or sony, will probably only be $500. now at this point in time an xbox 360 only costs $175, maybe not a connect, but an older model should sell for that. it can run battlefield 3, is it going to run it as nice as a gaming computer not even close?
so imho I would definitely not build a gaming computer unless I needed a new computer already, in which case it would definitely be worth it.
now as for performance when comparing multiple socket processing with i3 vs single socket with i7, you may be right the i7 might win. but I've used lap tops with an i7 processor, and I must say, without over clocking it I'm a little disappointed. It's definitely not going to slow down on you, but to me for the price it costs it's a bit over hyped imho. if you disagree that's fine it does for you what you want it to do no problem, remember that right now the processor costs close to $300 or even higher.
here is a speed test done of a computer using auto cad with comparison of i3 vs i7:
no gpu specs, and honestly the video makes it hard to tell which test he is performing first. I understand auto cad may not be the biggest bench mark software out there, then again I've heard it eats up a lot of power from your computer with processing memory AND cache memory as well. I couldn't find a video of a server speed test using two i3 processors, then again you are going to be comparing a lot of different hard ware as well, power supply, hard disk drive, ram, motherboard, expansion slot cards, onboard chip sets, main board controllers for sata or what not, etc. etc., so the comparison might fall short before it even begins
anyway I tried, I wasn't trying to start a way over all this. as someone who loves games I sure think that battlefield 3 changed a lot of gamers opinions about what performance requires, where modern warfare 3 probably doesn't require as much performance. now on the other hand, when crysis was out, people were fanatical in this same way. you need this graphics card, that graphics card. maybe it'd be better to let OP do some research on it's own. crytek themselves say that crysis itself runs fine on intel dual core processors. of course a lot of other people knock that statement down the stairs saying you won't get maximum performance out of your game if you use older dual core processors.
I do suppose OP said he wanted the top of the line build, so in that case if he does want to spend big, then an i7 isn't a bad investment. this whole thing started with me questioning why an amd processor is considered so low rate when you will find amd processors with 6-8 cores for the same price as the i7. anyway, the only way OP would really know, would be to try both brands of processors, and make a comparison based on his personal opinion. this would require him to buy both brands, so truthfully what he will probably have to do is bite the bullet on this one and make his own decision and live with it.
I suggest he researches both brands extensively, and decides from his own subjective/objective opinion which one he likes better. if you ask me? they are both great brands, I feel like this is a pepsi vs coca cola argument. it's almost defined by preference. intel apparently is well known for reliability when over clocking, amd is known for great performance with lower prices. idk tomato tomatoe, it's always rough when people start a thread asking if they should go with amd or intel processors, it always starts a core processing war. fuck it idk
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel]
#15507454 - 12/12/11 11:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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so you admit your whole argument of building a server with dated hardware instead of a pc with new components for $1200 is ridiculous and stupid?
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: imachavel]
#15507683 - 12/13/11 12:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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That server board you posted is the same story as the one I posted.
Yeah it's a cheaper board. But it requires XEON 55xx chips. Here's an example of one of the CHEAPER ones. - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117182
Either way, you are not building that board without spending 2k+ on CPUs
My entire point was that an i3 chip will NOT support dual chips on a single board as far as I know. Nor will an i7. You need a XEON W55xx.
Also you cannot compare a laptop i7 to a desktop i7 2600k, 920, 990x or whatever. They are different chips designed for mobile applications.
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Re: Time to build a new rig [Re: Deity208]
#15507938 - 12/13/11 01:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Wut a Twist said:
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Remember, a faster processor doesn't buy skill either. I could rape you in any Source based game with a 2.4ghz + 8600gt + 1gb of ram box that costs ~400 bucks nowadays.
as if this has any relevance to the topic at hand?
have fun with your shitty graphics, internet tough guy.
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Buying an i7 series chip for your desktop is completely unnecessary
uhh, not for people who use their computers for more than just games and browsing the web.
also the last gen i7s are great chips for gaming, and have amazing OC potential. (you can also buy them for around the same price as the new 2500 chips)
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If it means cutting back on your graphics card, fuck sake take the marginal graphics gain today
i already said graphics cards are more important than CPUs for gaming, but if someone needs a more powerful processor for converting files or something else CPU intensive, getting a cheaper GPU is obviously the better option.
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Honestly i5 is overkill
maybe for watching my little pony videos, but for gaming and the average computer user i would have to disagree. especially when you factor in the overclock potential, it has the best performance:price ratio you can get right now.
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I built my girl an i5 rig and told her it will run every game produced in the next decade for sure with nothing more than a 150$ graphics upgrade as the price for better cards drops- and possibly without it- and that's almost surely accurate due to how development accommodates the lowest common denominator (cough, consoles) when possible.
i don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. but this right here tells me you know NOTHING about computers (no wonder you agree with the troll; who by the way was making no sense, so i have no idea how you managed to decipher and agree, with what he was saying).
the new consoles are going to be released within a year/two years, than there's the fact that the next gen of GPUs are just around the corner (new architecture and not just rebranded radeon 5xx and GTX 4x cards, like our current gen GPUs) the developers will be opting for this new hardware and i guarantee within three years your will be struggling at high resolutions for the new games, even with a second one. look up moors law (it's not really a law) and the exponential growth of computers and their hardware.
You are dumb. Nice derogatory straw-man, too. I wasn't even replying to you. You expose your own rude ignorance by dragging my personal preferences into this kicking and screaming. FYI: the box I built my girlfriend is an i5 rig and it tears through anything you throw at it. It will continue to do so for quite a while. That's the only point I was making. That box is better than 80% out there clocked at 3.4ghz with 4+gb ram and room for any size graphics with a 1k PSU and 1T hard drive. So you should shut the fuck right up and stop being an elitist asshole, because most people can't spend more than $1,200 on their personal computer builds. We built hers for ~900 after peripherals, and that is a damn sweet deal.
For playing modern video games, an i7 is overkill. PERIOD. I mis-spoke. An i5 is probably right where you want to be for "kick-ass" PC gaming tech. Obviously more is always better. There was no reason to nitpick me like that, and it made you look like a douche. An i5 is not overkill. I misspoke. No need to fucking light my goddamn house on fire.
I happen to be a computer scientist. The chance that next-gen consoles outpace the current series of graphics cards is extremely slim due to cost-per-unit. Even to put something equivalent of a GTX460 (lowest budget entry level card worth buying) in every box, they're going to be pushing $400 with a decent loss on each sale, just like last generation. In two years when they get ready to manufacture their next generation, that level of performance will have dropped to where it's appropriate to include. The upper end will probably still cost too much in two-three years.
I said it would run everything. You're calling me an idiot while you can't handle basic reading comprehension. I didn't say max res, I didn't say max settings. I said it would run them; and that's more than a lot of people have. You sound like a fourteen year old.
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