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 jakenichols
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I am in Iowa and I can tell you Ron Paul draws the biggest crowds, i was at a rally of his last night at the University of Northern Iowa, i took some video here it is:
Newt Gingrich couldn't get this kind of a crowd.
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I always laughed at those people whining about a media blackout, last time around to this time, because, as soon as he's been receiving more visible support in the polls, his coverage has continued to increase exponentially, both as simple reference in random stories, as well as in articles dedicated to him.
A media blackout has indeed existed for Paul up until fairly recently. Hopefully, the media will be forced to give him more coverage now that he's moving up in the polls. Swimming upstream..
And unfortunately, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that anyone like Romney would ever take him as VP. He is too threatening to the establishment.
He is the candidate who won't get elected, but several years down the line people will wish they had. We need REAL change, not nibbling around the edges like every other delusional GOP candidate proposes. This country is in an existential crisis and he is the only candidate who groks that and has a solution. Everyone else is like..Let's do a tweak here and there and like magic, the Land of McMansions and credit card spending will return. Cargo Cult all the way.
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Seuss
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 Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa?  [Re: zorbman]
#15498690 - 12/11/11 07:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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How much time did Paul get in the Iowa debates last night compared to Romney? Since they are polling at the same numbers, or Paul is slightly ahead, I would expect that Paul should have gotten at least as much time as Romney, if not a bit more. Reading three different reports (from three different MSM feeds) about the debate, I only saw Paul mentioned once. Apparently, the debate was between Mitt and Newt, with a few other candidates there to take pot shots.
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dtowntoker
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Seuss]
#15498963 - 12/11/11 10:44 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Ron Paul had an extremely poor showing in Huckabee's forum.
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Seuss]
#15499605 - 12/11/11 02:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Seuss said:
How much time did Paul get in the Iowa debates last night compared to Romney? Since they are polling at the same numbers, or Paul is slightly ahead, I would expect that Paul should have gotten at least as much time as Romney, if not a bit more.
Why would you have that expectation, when, in determining how to conduct a debate, clearly much more than simple poll numbers are taken into consideration?
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For a lefty like me, Ron Paul is a as sad an option as Obama. You'd never hear President Obama say we shouldn't shoot missiles from drones at Muslims. Then again, you'd never hear Ron Paul say we should employ government to ensure the dignity & welfare of children, the poor, the disabled and the elderly. Ron Paul is too much of a fundamentalist while Obama is too much a pragmatist/sell-out politician. These are the best our two political parties can offer up. We need much better options.
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You'd have to create a new race of humanoids. 
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Shins
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I havr followed paul for years let me clarify.
paul is for small government not no government.
he believes in rule of law.
humanitarion concerns are at the top of his list.
he doesnt want to cut off humanitarian assistance right away, there are many bigger things to fix first.
after a few rounds of liberty and free markets there should be a reduced need for assistance.
ron paul has an austrian economic school of thought that is a different language than all other candidates speak, it was the school of thought that made america great, and the school of thought that predicted the economic crisis years ahead and properly identifies the root of the problems.
Keynsians are the fascists and would promise you anything, buy its like a deal with the devil so beware and take caution to the economics of the candidates.
Edited by Shins (12/11/11 08:04 PM)
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Shins
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Shins]
#15501098 - 12/11/11 08:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think the best way to understand Ron Paul is to study Austrian economics and the constitution.
understand those and Paul will start to make a lot of sense.
A guy called Peter Schiff has a lot of stuff out too and he was Paul's economic advisor last time.
as a result of my own studies on the topic, i managed to not only preserve, but grow my own savings numerically a great deal these past 5 years.
it shows that the pricing mechanism is broken and that the inequalities are systemic.
Paul, the good doctor, will treat the patient, and hopefully get everyone back on their feet again.
Edited by Shins (12/11/11 08:29 PM)
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Not Quite Social
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Shins]
#15501412 - 12/11/11 09:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not fully dismissive of his economics, but I get the impression his faith in free-market capitalism is blind to things like economies of scale suppressing competition, consolidating wealth and tending toward monopolies, corruption, financial control of the media & government, promoting narrow agendas on behalf of the extremely wealthy as opposed to the majority; degradation of the environment; exploitation of workers; and on, and on. He either isn't getting his message across very well, or, like I said, he's wearing the blinders of free-market fundamentalism and just can't or won't acknowledge the sorts of things I listed.
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Shins
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His economics are designed to eliminatr all of those things.
those things are the result of big government meddling in the market, and creating malinvestment.
the source of the problem is that government has the power to confiscate wealth and reinvest it in crony corporations and monopolies.
Ron Paul wants to take that power away, the founding fathers wanted to take that away, and the constitution was designed to prevent it.
fair and legitimate buisinesses and corporations enhance the quality of life of everyone.
real capitalism is about the most amount of people getting the most of what they want.
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Seuss
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Shins]
#15502172 - 12/11/11 11:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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> Ron Paul wants to take that power away, the founding fathers wanted to take that away, and the constitution was designed to prevent it.
Your first part was correct. You might want to fact check the rest of it...
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Shins
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Seuss]
#15502866 - 12/12/11 02:20 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I have, i realise not all of the founders agreed, but the constitution was designed to limit the federal government.
there has been somewhat of a running battle since, and the government has now defied the constitution and that is the source of many problems of corruption.
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Seuss
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Shins]
#15503327 - 12/12/11 05:47 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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> but the constitution was designed to limit the federal government.
Ah, I misread you meaning the banks and corporations, rather than the federal government. I agree, the US constitution was designed to limit federal powers and allow the states to self-govern to a large extent. I also agree that states rights have been eroded over time as special interests try to enforce their will over all of the states.
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dtowntoker
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Seuss]
#15504800 - 12/12/11 03:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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And its all the Liberals' fault.
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Seuss
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#15508727 - 12/13/11 05:21 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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> And its all the Liberals' fault.
What is? It is definitely their fault that I ended my last sentence with a preposition. Damned socialized education catering to the lowest common denominator.
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dtowntoker
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Seuss]
#15514512 - 12/14/11 10:30 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe your parents should have been rich so you could have been sent to a private school.
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Seuss
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: dtowntoker]
#15514786 - 12/14/11 12:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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> Maybe your parents should have been rich so you could have been sent to a private school.
Maybe the government shouldn't tax people for education, thus allowing non-rich parents the ability to afford private school.
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: Shins]
#15515818 - 12/14/11 04:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said:
I think the best way to understand Ron Paul is to study Austrian economics and the constitution.
understand those and Paul will start to make a lot of sense.
A guy called Peter Schiff has a lot of stuff out too and he was Paul's economic advisor last time.
as a result of my own studies on the topic, i managed to not only preserve, but grow my own savings numerically a great deal these past 5 years.
it shows that the pricing mechanism is broken and that the inequalities are systemic.
Paul, the good doctor, will treat the patient, and hopefully get everyone back on their feet again.
Ron Paul wants the return to sound money, which would solve many of our economic problems. What the elite or( Federal Reserve and banks) do to our economy is beyond criminal. Why should these people control the whole economy? They manipulate markets on a daily basis and make the rules as the go along, and the fiat money system is the key to their castle, but all good things come to a end, and so will this ponzi scam.
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Seuss
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Re: A Ron Paul Win In Iowa? [Re: qman]
#15516071 - 12/14/11 05:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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> Ron Paul wants the return to sound money
What is "sound money"? The Euro? The Yen? The Yuan? Sea shells that make sound when you hold them up to your ear?
> ... which would solve many of our economic problems.
Sure it would, along with some magic fairy dust.
> Why should these people control the whole economy?
The US Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 coupled with the Federal Reserve Act.
> and the fiat money system is the key to their castle
Fiat money is not the problem. The Federal Reserve, operating on behalf of Congress, is not the problem. Lack of a gold standard is most certainly not the problem.
> and so will this ponzi scam
So close, yet so far... You have actually identified the real problem, but you have no idea what it really is. You have been listening to the blowhards that keep talking about "sound money" and a gold standard and all the evils of the Federal Reserve and fiat money, but you are missing the real problem. The result of the problem is indeed a ponzi scam, which only becomes problematic if the economy does not continue to grow. However, none of those things you listed are the cause...
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