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 exovargonklocale
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 Re: Eckhart Tolle  [Re: quinn]
#15348812 - 11/10/11 10:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Don't deny his experience...
If he felt that stillness was moving out of Tolle and into him, then it was. Not to say that everybody would react that way to him, it was obviously propagated within himself. But Tolle was a catalyst for that particular experience. Stillness is just a word to define an experience, it does not mean stagnation of mind or even a lack of movement. Both LustfulLinsanity and Tolle were necessary for that exact experience to occur.
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Kickle
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Quote:
LustfulLinsanity said:
A man does not seek to see himself in running water, but in still water. For only what is itself still can impart stillness onto others.
-Chuang-tse
I'm not denying that Tolle looks at stillness nor that in looking at the stillness he is able to speak about it. And I'm also not denying that this is a beneficial thing. But I am denying that anyone brings you to stillness but yourself.
If you want to hold Tolle responsible for the stillness you found, that's fine. But I think you're giving away your own ability to be still. Looking at a reflection of stillness does not make one still unless they are already still enough to reflect it back. What would running water reflect?
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Re: Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#15349937 - 11/10/11 02:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
no one and no thing can bring you to stillness
i took out the 'but yourself' to go a bit more extreme with it 
the funny thing is that someone reminding you that nothing can help you can seem to help you
in my experience the presence of a realized being is immensely helpful to the awakening process, they radiate the scent of stillness that can blow away the dust of your mind & leave that stillness in yourself clear, the stillness is never shared or given or traded, its one space, all that appears to divide & separate it is our moving thoughts so clearing thoughts can be the only obstacle
so kickles right nobody can ever bring you to stillness, but you can get help clearing your thoughts
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Re: Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle] 1
#15349945 - 11/10/11 02:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think everyone gives off an aura which effects the consciousness of those around them. This is my experience.
A way to look at it is we are swimming in a sea of consciousness.
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LustfulLinsanity
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I actually do agree with you guys. Technically the stillness never leaves we just forget about it because of the mind. It is helpful for me sometimes for something outside of myself to point me back to my own stillness.
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Ped
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Eckhart Tolle is probably one of the most important secular teachers of our time. In this world of increasing skepticism toward the value of faith and religion, Tolle gives us meaningful how-to advice about dislodging from identification with transient forms and awakening to the basic stillness that surrounds all the myriad things, and which courses through all life since the dawning of the universe.
It is a terrible shame, however, that Tolle's message has been distorted by the whirlwind of finance that surrounds him and his work. Speaking personally, I have trouble reconciling how such a man can speak so lucidly about matters of profound realization and still charge people hundreds of dollars to participate in the expounding of his message. If there were some way to understand how he utilizes those finances, whether it is for personal embellishment or for the wellbeing of others, this might clarify the man and his intent.
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Kickle
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Re: Eckhart Tolle [Re: Ped]
#15351871 - 11/10/11 08:40 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Personally I think having people shell over money is a good way to make it worth it to pay attention.
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Ped
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Re: Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#15353029 - 11/11/11 12:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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That's an excellent point.
I used to sell pianos for a living. One of the reasons I was able to charge people $87,000 for a piano was because I was charging $87,000 for a piano. The $87,000 price tag was evidence of the worth of that instrument, and they consistently lived up to it throughout my career.
If Eckhart Tolle's message is sincere and actually offers people a gateway out of suffering and confusion, then the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Someone who shells out $450 to hear someone speak is probably going to listen very closely.
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Re: Eckhart Tolle [Re: Ped]
#15354187 - 11/11/11 07:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Plus imagine how many people would line up to see him if he wasn't charging the 450 or whatever it is. The people willing to pay 450 to see him probably need his help the most.
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JackofSpades
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c0sm0nautt said:
The people willing to pay 450 to see him probably need his help the most.
Or they just have the funds to do so and others don't 
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