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 Manadrax
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 Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow UPDATE 11/11/11 
#15200476 - 10/09/11 03:31 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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11/11/11- well i have to say, whoever laughs about bag growing, well your missing out and Im laughing at you  . My friends grow went extremely well, he's done for a long time but he will also have boomers for a long time too. He had 5 strains. 3 strains produced over an ounce per flush DRY(2 total flushes so far) The other 2 strains produced a little less than an ounce dry. They arent done flushing either , he just dunked them recently(he poured water into each substrate bag till the cakes(blocks really tho)) and let them sit for 24 hours(sealed at top with tape like usual). Make sure if you do this to pour the water in slowly and dont let it hit the filter patch. I know tubs and SGFC setups would prolly yield more, but you are also limited to how many strains you can have goin at once if you dont have much space. This technique made it so he could easily have 7 strains going without worrying about each one contaminating each other. He was also very sterile during harvests, no fans on, gloves, lots of hand sanitizer.. if you touch anything at all you must reapply(even the outside of the bag.) Thats just my opinion and hes only lost one to contamination after harvesting and that was his own fault.
Anyway he ended up testing all 5 strains and had the best experience of his life. It was like having the best euphoric mushrooms and the best visual, and mindfuck all at once. I unfortunately cannot partake in these but it was fun watching him go from nothing to exploding bags. I wish he had taking pics when the nepals had matured.. they were so beautiful and big. 400g fresh.. from one bag. So my question for the non-believers, for about 10$ for all the materials for a spawn bag and a substrate bag, if you can get 400g(40g dry) when you choose the right strains how is that not efficient? Not everyone has closets, not everyone can have completely sterile environments.
ANYWAY sorry to ramble i just want people to realize... out-grows materials and service were outstanding. Sporeworks and freespores , spores were great as well.
BEST Bag Strains tested so far
1-5 rating
Mazapatec=amazing +5 (very spiritual/visual strain)
Nepal=Amazing +5
Freestone Texas= less yield but potent +4
PES Hawaiian=good potency but yield sucks with this strain, out of 4 hawaiian bags, only 1 fruited and produced about 10grams dry... only using a small corner of the bag to fruit.. could of just been the syringe.. bad spores he doesnt really know.
FAlbino-Not complete
Penis Envy- I have a feeling these are going to be big. They are fully colonized, a little slower then other cubes, but faster then B+. Pins will be forming soon and i will rate potency/yield etc when he harvests.
South American- Great strain, +5 amazing fruits, great experience.. starting to seem to me that mazapatec/south american etc all are more spiritual/visual trips.
More strains to come.
I dont believe in the "cubes are cubes" debate. I've seen different traits that contribute greatly to having good flushes or bad ones, faster/slower colonization, contam resistance etc.
Snow that hit the northeast killed a lot of my friends mushies because of no power for a long time.. it was impossible to keep them warm, mother nature is cruel sometimes :/. If you guys want pics of the dried products, i can get him to do that. lemme know thanks for reading, if anyone has questions or needs help with spawn bag to substrate bag transfering or any steps with bag growing please feel free to PM or respond to this post. theres little tricks that i dont really wanna type out that made a huge difference.. just imagine clumps of condensed mushrooms that look like dense forests.. makes your mouth water.
Cya all
Edited by Manadrax (11/11/11 07:41 PM)
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Manadrax]
#15200547 - 10/09/11 03:49 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Ah-- I don't really under stand the question...s?
Sounds like you (two) had a jolly good time with out-grows products, and everything is working out just dandy... And?
Poly fill is the polyester stuffing inside pillows and quilts and stuff. Go to a hobby store of that type. Like Michel's or something like that near you if you don't have wall mart. Or consult inter webs.
Does he/she need help making a mono/dub tub?
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Slaithenn]
#15200600 - 10/09/11 03:58 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Yea he does, im sorry i realize that was really unorganized.
#1 how to create a monotub or tray tub setup that will keep humidity/heat at correct temps in a apartment that isn't temp regulated well.
#2 Does anyone have experience with outgrow or any of the strains listed with/in bags.
#3 Anyone that has used these, what are you average colonization/fruiting times
#4 Without a pressure cooker is there somewhere to buy a liquid culture solution with injector ports to use MS inoculations on
Thats all we can think of right now, im sure he'll be calling me with more questions.. jeese lol. Again sorry for the chaos post.
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Manadrax]
#15200730 - 10/09/11 04:25 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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A) No question marks.
B) I ASKED the first question...
C) Nothing about LC's any where.
The closest thing I can get to a question is the monotub part. If you got this far, you's got a fine enough apartment...
So that pretty much narrows it down to three things... None of witch were a question...
A) poly fill????? WTF?
B) Mono/dub tube???
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C) Aimless advice.
Well... Ah... Let that shit colonize and fruit, and while your at it... make tubs?
Now if you don't mind can you give me some fine tuned high speed low drag questions?
You need help making a monotub?
-Do you have spawn left over for said tub?
And, you need help with making LC with no PC?
Now that's eazy! You can steam sterilize them so no worries!
Now you need help with the LC media and lids?
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Slaithenn]
#15200835 - 10/09/11 04:46 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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ok.. sorry. Can u give me a link to an ACTIVE thread for a tub tek? most of the ones i search for and bring up have the photos deleted.
How much a yield difference is there from fruiting in the substrate bags vs putting in trays in a monotob setup? And finally how should he initiate pinning, just put 12/12 light on? or should he put them in the fridge for a night then under light? Ive read various ways but none seem set in stone. Thanks.. and i apologize if my questions are too broad, just disregard... I'll try to be more precise in future posts.
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Manadrax]
#15203169 - 10/10/11 01:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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It's not that, it's that you were not asking questions....
Monotub does not take trays... it's got the substrate in a black garbage bag or the bottoms are taped off and six holes in it... An inch in diameter usually. I don't know that another "active" tek is really necessary. Thread w/ pics
Good pics in there.
Initiate pinning by exposing to FAE (fresh air exchange) and light. For the substrate bags you should just put them in light for first flush... The filter patch is supposed to give enough FAE. Spawn bags need spawned to something
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Slaithenn]
#15205046 - 10/10/11 01:57 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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All the substrate bags are bigger then the spawn bags yes. He transfers a fully colonized spawn bag into these substrate bags. Today he says growth is exploding. Withing 5-7 days hopefully he will add light(6700 kelvin daylight range). And yea i was tired from work last night/stoned so give me a little break . We'll see though hes no professional but loves the hobby. Thanks for your response, I'll try to get him to right some stuff down to ask , thanks for your patience.
Pics will come today
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Manadrax]
#15206655 - 10/10/11 08:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Cool. Hopes it all keeps progressing well. Feel free to ask questions as you need help.
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Slaithenn]
#15206701 - 10/10/11 08:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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fixed the first post a bit, when i get pics ill redo it all with dates etc. cheers
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Manadrax]
#15207912 - 10/11/11 02:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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10/11 12:11pm--- 2 bags getting extremely rhizomorphic(sp) and spreading like a white snowy wonderland after a big snow storm
Anyway over half of the substrate of one bag looks 50% or more already since he transfer ed from spawn Friday. Another is also spreading quickly just seems to be penetrating the bottom half first, probably because he didnt know how much to mix on the first bag he did.
Earlier today he transfer ed 5 more spawn bags into separate 1 lb extra large hpoo bags. He had 2 fully colonized bags of the same strain so he tried an experiment with that bag to learn more instead of doing everything mindlessly. 2 1lb spawn bags of same strain mixed into 1lb hpoo mix fruiting bags. Hopefully this wont hurt him, but what i figure is the more spawn the faster /more nutrients available for colonization/ fruiting, if im wrong please let me know so i can tell him.
Im not the best writer, etc etc but once he actually gets his camera back(nikon) ill be able to get you guys some quality pics.
I think bags have been getting a bad rap ever since they were bad quality ~10 years ago. Maybe a mix of bags and jars would be okay too but i think this way is just easier. grain to compost mix=super substrate lol. Make sure to store the substrate bags in the fridge if u aren't going to use them right away.
ANY questions/concerns lemme know, ill be keeping this as more of a first grow log then anything, he doesn't have the internet but we see each other a lot anyway.
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Manadrax]
#15208742 - 10/11/11 10:38 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Nutes wont really be affected all that much... Has plenty of bird seed. You just double your inoculation points... Witch will decrease your colonization time, but should be very unnecessary. The biggest part about the hobby is that you're supposed to be having fun, witch you both seem to be succeeding at quite well.
Remember to gently massage the bags after about 20%-30% so mix every thing up again. It will def. decrease your colonization time.
You wright fine, just saying I can't answer unasked questions. Let me know if you need any more help and/or have questions on things... Best of luck.
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Re: Grain bag to hpoo substrate bag transfers First grow with log [Re: Slaithenn]
#15229342 - 10/15/11 02:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE*
After a couple days of letting the closest substrate+spawn bag mix fully colonize a bit more, a 12/12 cycle has begun! Last night my friend put on a 18" daylight 6500k fluorescent on this bag and hes trying to fruit one of the small grain spawn bags just to have comparison purposes. There's not enough information about bag grows in my opinion. I have learned so much watching my friend go along these steps. His most recent inoculations are already wayyy ahead of the first 8 that have survived the colonization process. The other substrate bags that are trying to colonize are taking longer then expected, and im afraid I see cobweb mold.. , My friends really worried about it and honestly I know i've researched a bit more then him cause he works a lot. If anyone has any suggestions plz help, i know about h202 but I dont want him to be hasty. Im going to be taking pics of his grow and posting them in a couple hours. in the mean time can anyone help with this issue while im at his house?
I have high hopes for the fully colonized substrate bag thats just been introduced to fruiting conditions. Its soooo rhizo on the sides, bottom of bag. It looks like little white explosions growing thick. The top is completely covered with mycelium, and looks quite healthy. What are the average times from starting light to pinning/picking? Please help us! Thanks all i appreciate your help.
pics soon
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow w/pics [Re: Manadrax]
#15229743 - 10/15/11 04:33 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You are really into helping your "friend" out. So good to see here at the shroomery.
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow w/pics [Re: bushleaguer666]
#15230046 - 10/15/11 05:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Well hes not really computer inclined, but when it comes to things that need to be done efficiently and clean, hes the guy lol. He just showed me a spot on the big bag thats in fruiting phase a little couple spots of a greenish-blue on the mycelium.. i dont understand its been sooo healthy up until now. Does mycelium bruise? Makes me mad it was the best colonizer and has been my favorite of his to look at.. Should he toss it?? ahh we were hoping to have a good time within a week or two(i dont know how long fruiting takes) but since it just got put into fruiting last night, 3 weeks? if its contaminated that means we gotta wait like another month to visit my favorite reality(besides our own)
plz someone lemme know what u think he should do, ill have him take pics now , post asap ill be back soon
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow w/pics [Re: Manadrax]
#15230312 - 10/15/11 06:57 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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**UPDATE w/PICS as promised
Lemme know what you think about the bag with the greenish/blue marks. And please comment on anything you see good or bad, he needs some input as this is his first attempt at this.
            
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15231531 - 10/16/11 12:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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anyone??? i feel like nobody even wants to respond, something wrong with this
?? plz help
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15233291 - 10/16/11 01:32 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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We think we see some hyphal knotting starting but it could also just be shredded straw.. anyway nobody seems too interested in partaking in this discussion :/ oh well if nobodies interested ill stop logging to save shroomery some space
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15237404 - 10/17/11 10:10 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty sure my friend and I see the beginnings of a buncha pins,still at very early stage, but if were right theres a lot of them. We could be wrong but the bags really healthy and been underlight 3-4 days now. He hopes fruiting will be soon. How long does pinning usually take from start to maturity? please respond, ill post more pics later today
of his stuff.
In all reality watching my friend grow is actually my imagination and wishing for a better world. This is his dream for the future when he moves out of us
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15237505 - 10/17/11 10:39 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Everything looks alright mate, I havnt looked at the pics in detail...but yeah, well done .
Some of the bags obviously arnt 100% colonized yet....just a waiting game now and you will be a very happy chappy very soon.
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Zed]
#15250525 - 10/20/11 03:08 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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update* 10/20 so hard to tell whats goin on, it was going so well for my friend but the transfers in the 12/12 cycle are taking forever, and look like contaminates in some, definitely in others. sigh im sad, nah not really i learned a lot from him. those bags that look uncolonized in the pics i posted of his newest inoculations he lost 3 to trich straight up, but the rest boomed like never before. he injected 1.5cc on the left side and 1.5 on the right(both right against the plastic so it runs down) of a few various strains. ANYWAY before i talk to much. The newer bags are highly rhizomorphic(sp)and all he did was spread the bags once he saw maybe 15-20%, within 3-5 days full colonization had occurred on a few.. too bad hes outta bulk sub.. any suggestions i can give him? i gotta go outta town this weekend so hes on his own.. if i hear anything ill let you all know.
Also Mods should i have posted this in grow log section?
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15261430 - 10/22/11 01:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Moderator should this be in the grow log section? if so please move thread there. Trying to follow the rules around here sorry if posted in wrong place. ok here goes
UPDATE* 10/22 - hes finally got his first pin 2-3 days ago and some messed up looking primordia. At first it was only 1 pin, but he had been reading that yellowing primordia can be caused by 1-high nitrogen content 2-straw containing substrates so nothing to worry about, otherwise we woulda worried they were contaminates. Thankfully ive been researching for him like mad. Anyway.. the fruiting strain in question is either Hawaiian, Mazapatec or South American.. i think its mazapatec tho. Gosh now were so excited minutes feel like days but its amusing watching. He has one blob of primordia that bursted open and almost looks like a cap without a stem sorta upside down.. its weird..prolly an abort? not sure. Theres a number of these "blobs" but we've concluded that they're prolly gonna be clusters(he woke today and like 5-6 pins out of one formation)He has a few aborts but is afraid of even opening the bag until the other pins have a chance to grow. As much as eating these blobs of primordia may make him have a great research experience, hes going to wait it out unless he hears otherwise. Will have pictures later on, but he doesn't wanna mess with the light cycle so it wont be until later on. Overall we've learned a lot.. I will prolly end up making my own TEK after all this because there is just not enough information about grain bag transfers to HPOO bags where they will be fruited or colonized and cased. He doesnt wanna be involved but i love the community here.. you all are great and I thank everyone who has helped me learn.
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15269875 - 10/24/11 09:50 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Update-10/24 Friend is having a lot of mutants.. but a lot of nice pins too.. hes tempted to harvest these dense ass mutants and try them.. not sure if removing them will damage the myc network or anything.. lemme know plz so he doesnt mess up
PICS~!
      
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15270269 - 10/24/11 11:53 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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looking good! 
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: russhroom]
#15270287 - 10/24/11 11:58 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Thats awesome man!! I use Out-Grow for they're mycobags too. Top notch if you dont have a PC, I've gotten replacements from him as well and they're always awesome. Im in the beginning stages right now, after the transfer to the HPOO bag, I was going to fruit invitro as well, just to see how the yield is. After your transfer OP, did you mix again after 30%
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: failsafe_eXit]
#15271525 - 10/24/11 04:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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failsafe, make sure when u grain transfer to the HPOO that u break up allll of the compost clumbs or your recolonization will take much longer and u may run into problems. So just do that before the transfer, then make sure when u do transfer to break up all that mycelium clumps very well and spread in the bag as much as possible. My friend made this mistake on first bags and recently my friend transfered 3 more and within 4-5 days--100% recolonized no mixing and ready for fruiting chamber.. huge difference with taking this step. As for my friends grow.. u can literally watch the pins exploding into existence.. hes eyeing the mutant with three combined stems and 4 caps. Its quite a site.. maybe should post it in the mutant thread heh. Anyway goodluck, its a great hobby i love watching the stages. we have our share of a few contams.. but only a few out of over 20 grain spawn.
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15277907 - 10/25/11 08:58 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Update 10/24-- friend picked 30 grams fresh and consumed(mutants mind you) hes hasnt had a trip so visual in a long time. Anyway I have new pics he gave me ill add those in a little while.. for now i need some rest
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Re: Spawn to HPOO Bag log**1st Grow *UPDATE* w/PICS [Re: Manadrax]
#15277926 - 10/25/11 09:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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oh by the way, has anyone had mutants that sound like this, the stems develop normally, then instead of the normal cap its totally opposite! the gills are on the outside and the veil hasnt broken, im curious as too what would happen if my friend cloned one of the mutants. Anyway pics soon. ty all for helping us out.. first successful fruiting and I'd say he did quite well considerin everything.
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