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 Sagerox99
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 DMT Method Comparison - Smoking 
#15169185 - 10/02/11 11:29 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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This weekend I was able to experience DMT for the first time. I used two different methods over two different days, and here are my results.
My very first time with DMT I got my glass pipe and put a screen in, put a layer of weed down, sprinkled 40-50mg of DMT on, and then covered that with more weed. I placed a screen on top of that, but thinking back I don't see that accomplishing anything. Anyways, I was able to light the top layer of weed and it burned nicely, I inhaled a very large amount of smoke, held it in for as long as possible, and when I exhaled about 20-30 secs later the smoke was white, almost like a cloud. I quickly inhaled another hit, and held it in. I released that hit and relit my bowl in an attempt to get a third hit, and was successful. I set the lighter and pipe down, and held that third hit in until my lungs felt like they were collapsing from the bottom-up. I don't even remember exhaling, I just remember closing my eyes and being blasted into space. It felt like my whole room was flying higher and higher into outer space. I had one of the best body highs I've had in a LONG time, and it lasted for a good 10-15 mins. I could see myself going into space, and my vision was crazy. I saw myself from many angles all at once, I can still visualize some of this in my mind but I can't find any words that come close to describing the incredible experience. It definitely reminded me of some LSD and DXM visuals I have experienced before, but they were definitely unique and crazy. My vision was warped, even tunnel-like at times, and I could see everything below me in a colorful-almost triangle-distorted vision. Once again, I will never come close to successfully describing anything I saw during the experience. The actual experience lasted much longer than people led me to believe. I was "trippin" pretty hard for about 45 mins (I know thats nothing compared to LSD or even shrooms but I was only expecting 10-15 mins of actual trippin) and then I felt high and really out of it for another 3-5 hours (my vision was still off and objects were still warping, although nowhere near as much during the actual trip). It was GREAT. I had an excellent afterglow all day.
I have spent a decent amount of time reading about "oil burners" and was considering buying one, until I decided to try to repeat the experience using a lightbulb instead of my weed pipe. I have used lightbulbs to vape weed, opium, and meth before, so I know what I'm doing and how to properly use them.
New day. I loaded about the same amount of DMT into the lightbulb, possibly more (everything was eye-balled as I don't have a scale). I held the flame 1-1.5" away from below the bulb, and less than 10secs later I saw the milky smoke floating around the in the bulb and took a LARGE inhale. It tasted and burned my lungs much stronger than the previous time. I was able to hold it in for probably 20 secs, and could see my stomach moving and warping as I held it in. I let it out and took a second hit. This hit wasn't as big, but there was no DMT left in the bulb after I was done. My sense of how near/far things were was warped, and I closed my eyes to let my mind leave. I felt like I was going up, but this only lasted 5 minutes or so, and then I felt like I was back. I've read that this method is much more effective, so I was hoping for a breakthrough. It didn't happen. I don't understand it. Next time I will go back to my first and successful method. If anyone has anything thoughts, advice or insight please post. My first experience definitely grabbed my attention and I will repeat it when the opportunity comes around again.
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jadeferguson
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: Sagerox99]
#15169278 - 10/02/11 11:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Glad to hear you had such a great experience. While living in Southern Arizona I was able to find a bufo-alvarius toad while driving home one night. I read an article on erowid.org and soon had about 1 gram of dried DMT. One of the best ways to smoke DMT is thru what is called THE MACHINE - for guaranteed BREAKTHROUGH. Because of the size a small Hennessy glass bottle. Directly in the center of the bottom you drill a hole. This is where you will inhale. In the neck of the bottle you place a small amount of torn brillo. Sprinkle with about 30mg-50mg, and while holding THE MACHINE parallel to the ground, heat the under side of the neck of the bottle (directly under the brillow/DMT) with a butane lighter. You can suck gently as you would on say a glass bowl full of weed. Inhale long and hold...This is by far the best method I have ever used. I wont describe the level of emotion I experienced while using this technique once, but I will mention several visuals. I saw what I call "matrix bullets" spiraling thru the air, along with several floating Buddhas. I was in a completely different realm of existence. Hope this helps out to anyone who reads it
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169284 - 10/02/11 11:58 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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because of the size of the bottle it is best to use one
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 joemolloy
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169307 - 10/03/11 12:03 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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While living in Southern Arizona I was able to find a bufo-alvarius toad while driving home one night. I read an article on erowid.org and soon had about 1 gram of dried DMT
The toad makes 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin. There's a world of difference between that and DMT.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169328 - 10/03/11 12:09 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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jadeferguson said:
While living in Southern Arizona I was able to find a bufo-alvarius toad while driving home one night. I read an article on erowid.org and soon had about 1 gram of dried DMT.
depending on the species of bufo alvarius they either contain 5-meo-dmt AND bufotenin or just bufotenin.
so please explain how you got a gram of n,n-dimethyltryptamine from that? 5-meo-dmt and bufotenin are very different from n,n-dmt.
EDIT: looks by joe beat me too it. stoner reactions fail again. 
Edited by kushfarts (10/03/11 12:10 AM)
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joemolloy
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: kushfarts]
#15169351 - 10/03/11 12:13 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Jade needs some mimosa hostilis root bark to compare. With his luck he'll extract 5-meo-dmt from the MHRB and have a psilocybin trip from San Pedro while his toad squirts morning glory shitballs.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: kushfarts]
#15169363 - 10/03/11 12:16 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Breakthroughs seem to happen on their own...much like how lightning strikes one area despite another area having a higher chance of getting struck. I had smoked high doses of DMT and never got a breakthrough (before my last experience of course). Maybe because it was HOW I smoked it...or not enough vaporized DMT entered my bloodstream...whatever the case, I think you can only increase your chances of getting a breakthrough. I don't think there is such a thing as a smoking method that will get you a breakthrough EVERY TIME. If there is, then let me know. Because then, I'll only have to depend on dosages....bleh...tired...don't even know what I'm typing now...zzzzzzzzz
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: XeR0]
#15169399 - 10/03/11 12:25 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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XeR0 said:
Breakthroughs seem to happen on their own...much like how lightning strikes one area despite another area having a higher chance of getting struck. I had smoked high doses of DMT and never got a breakthrough (before my last experience of course). Maybe because it was HOW I smoked it...or not enough vaporized DMT entered my bloodstream...whatever the case, I think you can only increase your chances of getting a breakthrough. I don't think there is such a thing as a smoking method that will get you a breakthrough EVERY TIME. If there is, then let me know. Because then, I'll only have to depend on dosages....bleh...tired...don't even know what I'm typing now...zzzzzzzzz
i dont break through everytime but im at least at pre break through each time off 35mg. i take it all in one hit and hold it until the magic happens. no special smoking pieces or anything. i just lay down the dmt on a nice bed of ashes in my bubbler and then hold a torch lighter a few inches from that and inhale.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: XeR0]
#15169467 - 10/03/11 12:43 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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As for there being a big diff. between 5-MeO-DMT and straight DMT I do not think there is much. They both are associated with the hallucinogenic tryptamine family. please explain why they are different joe joe bean. The Bufo Alvarius is the specific species so shit doesn't vary there. And bufotenine is in all Sonora Desert Toads. In regards to how it was extracted...I wore work gloves, and holding him over a mirror, smashed his paratoid glands. The gland almost pops like a pimple and what releases (squirts) out is the consistency of rubber cement. After mashing each gland I waited an hour and a half and repeated the same process. I guess that would explain the amount I got. After that I drove out into the desert away from all busy roads and released him. The next afternoon what had not evaporated was left dried to the plate. With a straight razor I scraped the plate, chopping finely. With all I said in my original post THE MACHINE was never questioned, is this b/c you have heard of it?
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169504 - 10/03/11 12:53 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are actually pretty different in effects although the underlying tryptamine theme is strongly present. I actually enjoy 5-MeO-DMT more than most people. Another major difference between them is the dosage. You mentioned in your post that you use 30-50mg which is a complete overdose with 5-MeO-DMT so it sounds like you're confused with what you're talking about. Just 10mg is enough to pierce the veil.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169527 - 10/03/11 12:59 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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sorry i was not more specific on my original post, I was unaware it would come under so much scrutiny. the only thing that should have been corrected was the amount I said to load into THE MACHINE. That much "toad venom" and you would not have a pleasant experience. With 5-MeO-DMT it is up to 10x more potent,when smoked than DMT depending on its origin source. You should have corrected that. goodluck Sagerox99
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169532 - 10/03/11 01:00 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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jadeferguson said:
As for there being a big diff. between 5-MeO-DMT and straight DMT I do not think there is much. They both are associated with the hallucinogenic tryptamine family. please explain why they are different joe joe bean. The Bufo Alvarius is the specific species so shit doesn't vary there. And bufotenine is in all Sonora Desert Toads. In regards to how it was extracted...I wore work gloves, and holding him over a mirror, smashed his paratoid glands. The gland almost pops like a pimple and what releases (squirts) out is the consistency of rubber cement. After mashing each gland I waited an hour and a half and repeated the same process. I guess that would explain the amount I got. After that I drove out into the desert away from all busy roads and released him. The next afternoon what had not evaporated was left dried to the plate. With a straight razor I scraped the plate, chopping finely. With all I said in my original post THE MACHINE was never questioned, is this b/c you have heard of it?
They are hugely different.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169540 - 10/03/11 01:01 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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FractalDust....thank you for pointing that out, wish I would have submitted a little sooner. In my directions I did get confused between the correct dosing
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169545 - 10/03/11 01:02 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Grizvok-----I even said please....explain
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169570 - 10/03/11 01:07 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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DMT = not as strong, however produces stronger visuals
5-meO-DMT = stronger than DMT its cousin with a methoxy molecule on the 5 position, tastes like shit, not as visual as the latter
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169641 - 10/03/11 01:26 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Ferguson there is much more differences between 5-MeO and n,n DMT. Try them both and I bet you will be able to tell the difference. It is more than just visuals, the mental state is different, the body load is, they are 2 completely different chemicals. That would be like saying that Mushrooms are the same as n,n DMT because they both contain a dimethyltryptamine molecule.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169675 - 10/03/11 01:34 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Jim, did you notice that when I explained my experience in my original post I said that I would not even begin to explain how I felt, but would mention visuals. This is due to the fact that I cannot articulate in words what I was felt. Did you read my post before responding? If so why the naive reply on your part? I in fact have used them both multiple times and don't expect you to believe me. I could also explain how I have derived C13-H16CLNO but we would be in the same boat.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15169688 - 10/03/11 01:37 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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ohh and by the way, I am saying psilocybin and n,nDMT are similar.....The difference is ones perspective of definition
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: jadeferguson]
#15170317 - 10/03/11 07:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Structurally speaking, psilocybin, DMT, melatonin, and seratonin are all the "same". However, we all know they have very different functions. Seratonin is the happy hormone, melatonin is the hormone that induces sleep, psilocybin alters perception, and DMT is a reality-shattering experience. Melatonin - in my opinion - is the most interesting one because it doesn't just make your dreams more vivid and make you fall asleep. It is also potentially radioprotective (protection against radiation) and it is used to treat various physical and mental ailments such as headaches, delerium, PTSD, Alzheimer's disease, bipolar disorder, etc.
Nobody is bashing you but you've got to open your mind a bit. 5-MeO-DMT and N,N-DMT are two COMPLETELY different molecules with distinguishable effects. Yes, the effects are similar but calling 5-MeO-DMT and N,N-DMT the same as each other with a lack of visuals in the former is misleading. It's a scientific fact that cannot be refuted.
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jadeferguson said:
ohh and by the way, I am saying psilocybin and n,nDMT are similar.....The difference is ones perspective of definition
Yes they are similar but not in the way you mentioned. They're chemically similar in structure and in formula but DEFINITELY NOT in effects. An experience on psilocybin is not even in the same league as an experience on DMT. I'm sure nearly everyone on this forum can vouch for me on that one.
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Re: DMT Method Comparison - Smoking [Re: XeR0]
#15170353 - 10/03/11 07:56 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Im just going to say he read a lot and tried to lie on here to seem knowledgeable. Like why capitalize THE MACHINE and why would he get exactly 1 gram of a drug from a toads skin that was crudely dried out and not extracted.
Edited by thissongis (10/03/11 09:41 AM)
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