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zZZz said:
I read somewhere that eating meat is bad because when the animals, like cows, are killed they leave bad energy that stays in the meat, and when you eat this it effects your own energies and sometimes causes sickness, not just physically but mentally as well. To me this sounds plausible. What do guys and girls think about this?

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I don't like to eat mammals, and I've eaten only one free-range beef burger in the last 2 months. I'm trying to eliminate mammals from my diet entirely, yet, a friend invited me to dinner which consisted of Italian sausage. I didn't eat fowl all summer, but back at work, I am back to Boar's Head Mesquite Turkey sandwiches 3-4 days a week, with salmon or tuna salad. I was a vegan for some 3 years, but I was 20-23 years old. I regressed first to eggs, then fish, then meat.

Ethically, I feel it is wrong to take life of sentient creatures. I disagreed with a Tibetan Buddhist monk once, who maintained that eating a tin of sardines was more grievous than eating one cow. So far, I am trying to eliminate mammals (like myself). I do not feel or look well on a strictly vegan fare. I accept that humans are omnivores, but my childhood friend who is more mesomorphic than me, and 5'8" now weighs 136 lbs. I told him he's acting like an anorexic girl, who, in an attempt not to get older and become a fully sexual being, starves herself into pre-pubescent form. He says that he feels great, but I think he looks wan and old. Another friend had a 4 day workshop with Alex Grey, who is my age, and she said that he too looks wan and drawn (no pun intended) His hair is all grey, (which is also no pun), but with some lecithin, vitamin E, and some antioxidants, that could be reversed (if he cared).

One thing is certain, free-range animals are treated infinitely better before their death; and fast-food does not even come into consideration. It agrifarms millions of animals under hellish conditions. The animals hear, smell, and sense the terror of those dying before them. As many s 300,000 pigs die from heart attacks each year before they even get to be slaughtered. And the so-called 'meat' in fast foods will convey the karma of fear to regular consumers in the form of atherosclerosis, hypercholesterolemia, obesity, and colo-rectal cancers.

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we are special animals in a variety of ways, and our concepts of morality are among our most important.

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Haha, yeah we're special animals

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deff said:
just to add to the "do plants feel pain" idea that came up a few posts ago

pain is an evolutionary adaptation to allow mobile creatures to escape injury - plants cannot move away from harm so them feeling pain would have no evolutionary benefit to their species - it would just be a very mean trick of nature for plants to feel pain

also, it appears (?) that plants don't have minds nor the physical equipment that we identify in animals responsible for cognition etc

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but plants do move... just very slowly.
if you cut off a part of a plant, it will react in a certain way depending on where the damage was. I dont think all plants have as good reactions as other plants, but dont be fooled into thinking plants are passive. They seek sunlight, detect gravity, respond to damage, communicate with other plants, etc. Plants move their leaves, twist their stems, and determine the flow of nutrients and hormones based on very complex systems



As for this thread, I think the reasoning behind humans being vegetarian when lions eat meat is that lions dont know any better.
But that doesnt cut it for me personally.

I think the problem is pain for the animal.

But then I wonder: why do we let animals exist in the jungle maiming eachother in torturous ways?

Shouldnt we put a stop to lion attacks?

Why not?

what about wild human attacks?

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zZZz said:
I read somewhere that eating meat is bad because when the animals, like cows, are killed they leave bad energy that stays in the meat, and when you eat this it effects your own energies and sometimes causes sickness, not just physically but mentally as well. To me this sounds plausible. What do guys and girls think about this?

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I have thought about this myself...

I have had an Indian friend who told me that "When you eat meat, negative thoughts are more prevalent in your mind."

It could even be viewed as a chemical reaction...Animals would release all kinds of things in their body if they lived a stressful life, and or were killed in a stressed out fashion...Which most mass produced farmed animals fit that category...

I think this possibility is over looked by a lot of derps.

You see carnivorous animals are the ones that adsorb the creatures energy quite literally in the form of eating its flesh...As A lion eats he is consuming also the Chemical reactions within the animals blood, like adrenaline for example...These animals are literal incarnations of this though, and they are designed to consume animals like that...


Animals feel pain, they feel emotion, Humans just feel it to a greater degree...If you can even call it that.

I think yes. The flesh of an animal DOES retain if anything chemical reactions that could be negative for humans.

On the spiritual side, consuming animals all the time as a human could be detrimental both to you understanding how to love all of life, and also detrimental to perhaps the mind itself.


Its not like this idea is new though

Hinduism is the most ancient of all known religious practices...and they are not even the only culture that practiced vegetarianism/ religions based on understanding the very foundations of life. (not just examining it under a microscope)

"The eating of meat extinguishes the seed of great compassion."
~The Buddha

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gnarfbuckle said:
I like how were not supposed to eat meat yet every other animal nature created does and its fine.

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I don't know exactly what you said there but...There are plenty of animals that dont eat other creature's muscle tissue...

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giza said:
Well another one of the benefits I can think of for an all plant diet, is you get to eat more mass per calorie through plant food, plus of course the more essential nutrients per mass as well.

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Well exactly...Plants provide the basis of all creatures capability to even be alive...Much less the micro nutrients they contain.

Why do you think many vegetarian animals get kool stuff like horns? (calcium and iron that can only be absorbed by eating plants is part of it)

Or why do you think that vegetarian animals get intensely larger and more powerful than in comparison to most carnivorous animals?

Also why do most live extremely longer lives? I have a little pet crested gecko that all it eats is apples and bananas and it will live 20 years while a dog will live 10...And that's not even counting Creatures like Iguanas or certain Turtles that live for 100+ years

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TeamAmerica said:
I used to get extremely Nauseous as a child when eating fried chicken fetus in the morning...(also known as 'eggs')

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TeamAmerica said:
I used to get extremely Nauseous as a child when eating fried chicken fetus in the morning...(also known as 'eggs')

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You do know the eggs you get at the store are unfertilized, right?

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no I like the ones that actually have chicken fetuses fully formed...

mmmm EXTRA PROTEIN

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TeamAmerica said:
Like trees we are

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