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 Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink  [Re: pwnasaurus]
#15018782 - 09/02/11 07:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I'd write something, but he's said everything better than I could have.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: maug]
#15019055 - 09/02/11 08:05 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I'd rather pay even more and just go to the Amazon and take aya with a real shaman where its legal. Honestly, as much as I respect shamanism I have trouble believing a shaman in North America cares about his patients at all. It's just about the money, hes not a spiritual guide. He's a drug dealer.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: HardTrippin]
#15019234 - 09/02/11 08:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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And it's not like the shaman on the outskits of the forest are any better. They live on tourist hype. I'd prefer someone in the US who's done their research and takes their own medicine.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: maug]
#15019241 - 09/02/11 08:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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maug said:
And it's not like the shaman on the outskits of the forest are any better. They live on tourist hype. I'd prefer someone in the US who's done their research and takes their own medicine.
This is also true. A real shaman would probably know not to let any random kid take something as powerful as dmt.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: akira_akuma]
#15019446 - 09/02/11 09:39 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
what's the resonance of trade and bartering for Turkeys in Istanbul?
I'm bored, I'll go ahead and give this one a go...
Having never experienced thr bartering of turkeys in Istanbul, id say it's resonance is probably one of survival (from those seeking the turkeys, and the trade benefits for the farmer), natural evolution (survival of the fittest, man eats chicken) I could go on but the point is-
There's something organic and natural about bartering and eating turkeys... agree with ne or not, I feel that all the journeying money goes through from the time it's printed to tue time it's handed over in copius amounts for a sip or 2 of aya affects the energy contained in the bills. Then there's the collective morphogenetic field that hundreds of millions of people all over the planet contribute to, with whatever thoughts or feelings they attach to money. These things are not obvious but they light up to me when I smoke DMT. First time I smoked it it was a gift, and the eagerness to spread the experience on the givers part actually FELT like something to me, and this positively affected my experience.
I've had countless others, from getting kilos of rootbark confiscated by dept. Of homeland security to watching best friends get busted sellin it with typical commodity/capitalism energy- which generally I support full-heartedly. Basically my minds made up. And it's my mind. For any of you to tell me it's wrong and you're right, you are clearly missing out on the beauty of individuality.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: LightShedder]
#15019735 - 09/02/11 10:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I just deleted a bunch of posts in this thread. News is not the place for petty bickering and flaming. Knock it off you two. You know who I mean.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: veggie]
#15019736 - 09/02/11 10:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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sorry. my fault. i shouldn't have started it.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: akira_akuma]
#15030404 - 09/05/11 12:15 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Um, what LightShedder said, also;
Money doesn't go. However, jail is also wrong - much as I personally think Aziz has been either naive/materalistic or a bit of both, the fact he has been JAILED for administering Aya to a bunch of people who didn't seemingly have any complaint to make about the experience, is terrible. That is one thing to bear in mind, whatever you think of him. To my mind he has committed no dangerous crime, but has committed spiritual egotism and cynicism to the worst degree.
He makes me very angry - IF he has had 35 years of learning experiences, it seems to me he has not learnt some key truths. What a shame, as the poet Ted Hughes said "creation has failed again".
The aya world is full of people like him, but also plenty who aren't - they are usually quiet, you won't know them, you will have to find THEM.
The claims of healing made on his website are particularly loathsome to me - even if he had achieved this, he should know one person's healing is not another's and that he alone is NOT capable of defining the differences. There is essentially gigantic ego at fault here.
One thing I would like to point out in the interests of 'truth' and all that, is that the specific claim made in the media that Peter said he could cure cancer is based on a piece of dialogue recorded secretly in which he states you can direct the plant spirits to attack the cancer cells in your body - it does not appear that he claims it will actually work! It appears to be in response to a question from one of the participants, but the documentary does not make clear what the question even is.
I am not defending anything he has done - for the record I am highly suspicious of his knowledge. In the poem I referred to above ('A Bedtime Story' by Ted Hughes), there is a man who does SO much, but his experiences count for nothing. He has not SEEN. He is still weak and desperate and needing to do shit that he knows isn't what he should be doing. Unfortunately Aziz, like others in Peru and the continent and else where, have cheapened the experience. He has put it 'out there'. True seekers always find what they are looking for, they don't have to order it in a sachet from some dude on the internet or pay him £100 to sit in a shite hotel room, away from nature, to learn about..nature. If you're serious, you'll go.
We are, as usual, being misled from all sides.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: Wyrdsister]
#15035358 - 09/05/11 11:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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That's a much better way of putting it.
I've personally come to believe the notion that spiritual egorism and cynicism sometimes lead you to places like jail.
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Re: 'Shaman' Peter Aziz jailed over psychedelic drug drink [Re: dwpineal]
#15072266 - 09/13/11 12:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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dwpineal said:
"We witnessed people vomiting into buckets"
irrelevant at best. I witness that all the time when i see people drink alcohol. The arguments and fear tactics these people have are so over the top Its no wonder how the public remains so ignorant about these things.
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