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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
– Mahatma Gandhi
What can I say? I’m flattered. David Mineta, deputy director for demand reduction in the Office of National Drug Control Policy, has taken time to publicly respond to little ol’ me. I wonder if they pronounce ‘Armentano’ phonetically at the Drug Czar’s office?
The back story: Last week NORML Board member Paul Kuhn and I published a guest commentary in Nashville’s largest daily newspaper, The Tennessean, opining in favor of H.R. 2306, the ‘Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011. Here’s an excerpt:
Marijuana legalization bill offers safer alternative
via The Tennessean
We know tobacco is the leading cause of death in America, contributing to 400,000 deaths each year. So it’s hardly any wonder the FDA will require the placement of prominent warning labels. Alcohol is the third-leading cause of death in America. The World Health Organization reported earlier this year that “alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS, tuberculosis or violence.”
… What about marijuana? With every other drug from Advil and alcohol to Zantac, a correct dose is effective, but too high a dose kills the patient. No dose of marijuana is capable of causing a fatal overdose.
… And unlike alcohol and tobacco, adverse effects of even heavy cannabis use are minimal. There is no epidemiological evidence in any country, after scores of studies and centuries of use by tens of millions of people, that marijuana smokers have a shorter life expectancy than non-smokers.
… They don’t become violent at sports events or beat their spouses and children. They don’t get heart disease, cancer, brain damage or any other deadly illness at a higher rate than those who abstain. In fact, a pair of studies conducted by Kaiser Permanente found that marijuana use, even long-term, was not associated with elevated levels of mortality or incidences of cancer, including types of cancers associated with tobacco smoking.
… America is on a path to allow adults to choose a safer alternative to tobacco and alcohol. And create more tax revenue and more jobs in Tennessee. And more freedom.
Apparently quite a few people read our editorial, including some folks at the Drug Czar’s office. And it must have gotten under their skin because today the White House responded with this.
Movement for legalized marijuana ignores dangers
via The Tennessean
Proponents of marijuana legalization often argue it will do everything from fixing our economy to ending violent crime (“Marijuana legalization bill offers safer alternative,” Tennessee Voices, Aug. 15). Yet, the science is clear: Marijuana use is not a benign drug and it is harmful to public health and safety.
… Would marijuana legalization make Tennessee healthier or safer? One needs to look no further than Tennessee’s current painful experience with prescription drug abuse. In Tennessee, prescription drugs are legal, regulated, and taxed — and yet rates of the abuse of pain relievers in the state exceed the national average by more than 10 percent.
Nationally, someone dies from an unintentional drug overdose — driven in large part by prescription drug abuse — on average every 19 minutes. What would America look like if we had just as many people using marijuana as we currently have smoking cigarettes, abusing alcohol, and abusing prescription drugs?
The classic ‘bait-and-switch’ goes on and on, but you get the idea. But I’m not sure the Drug Czar’s office does. After all, if their logic above had even a hint of consistency then they would be arguing for the criminal prohibition of cigarettes, alcohol, and prescription drugs. And lots of other things.
Yet when it comes to Americans’ use of substances like tobacco, booze, and prescription drugs — substances that pose far greater dangers to health than does cannabis — the White House recognizes that prohibition is not the answer: regulation and education are. So why does the Drug Czar’s office fail to apply this same common-sense principle to pot? Perhaps it has something to do with the federal requirement requiring the office to lie about legalization.
Finally, as to the specific question: ‘What would America look like if we had just as many people using marijuana as are presently using tobacco, alcohol, and prescription medications?’ Well, what does America look like today? After all, the federal government imposed criminal prohibition over 70 years ago; yet today that very same federal government admits that over one out of ten Americans admit to having using cannabis in the past year. Among those age 18 to 25, almost half admit to consuming cannabis recently!
The question isn’t ‘What if Americans consumed marijuana?’ The reality is that tens of millions of Americans have and do consume marijuana. Most do so privately and responsibly. Legalizing cannabis simply acknowledges this reality and seeks to regulate the behavior appropriately. In a free society, why would even consider doing differently?
http://blog.norml.org/2011/08/22/drug-czars-office-to-norml-we-cant-legalize-marijuana-because-some-people-abuse-prescription-drugs-wait-huh/
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: skatealex2]
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Would marijuana legalization make Tennessee healthier or safer? One needs to look no further than Tennessee’s current painful experience with prescription drug abuse. In Tennessee, prescription drugs are legal, regulated, and taxed — and yet rates of the abuse of pain relievers in the state exceed the national average by more than 10 percent.
Nationally, someone dies from an unintentional drug overdose — driven in large part by prescription drug abuse — on average every 19 minutes. What would America look like if we had just as many people using marijuana as we currently have smoking cigarettes, abusing alcohol, and abusing prescription drugs?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BillyMaysHere] 1
#14964735 - 08/23/11 10:52 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think marijuana is one of our most important issues by itself, although I think society would be greatly improved if more people could use cannabis, aside from the benifits that people tend to use cannabis more then the other drugs including alcohol when it is more available. Psychedelics in general would greatly improve western society too.
However when there is a government that takes such an illogical, dishonest, and oppresive stance against something like as seemingly benign, in demand, and possibly benificial as cannabis one has to wonder what their reasons are for everything else they do, especially things that aren't so easily scientifically debunked.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BillyMaysHere]
#14964752 - 08/23/11 10:57 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Im commenting there. Im from TN 
Read the comments below... Good stuff.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: skatealex2] 2
#14964913 - 08/23/11 11:43 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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So in other words, "We can't legalize marijuana because opiate painkillers are deadly and addictive." 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: skatealex2]
#14964934 - 08/23/11 11:47 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
 said, "Yet, der sci-ess iz clurr: Marihuana still bad!"
… Would marijuana legalization make Tennessee healthier or safer? One needs to look no further than Tennessee’s current painful experience with prescription drug abuse.
So this is saying that marijuana cannot be lagalized because the substances that the Government did choose to legalize are incredibly destructive and addictive? I knew those guys in the big offices dislike logic but Jesus Tapdancing christ.
mikehuancho is right. Wookie Defense if I ever saw it.
"Now, Chewbacca is a wookie. But he lives on Endor... Ladies and gentlemen, THAT does NOT make sense.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14964959 - 08/23/11 11:53 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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im sorry a minority view , but i don't want the rest of the country acting like Californians !!!!... Although i do partake in 420 activities
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: dshow]
#14964965 - 08/23/11 11:55 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ok this is simple to me, and its something that is so hard for some people to understand. Each "drug" (what is a drug/medicine/supplement?) must be handled on an individual basis. The policies surrounding each drug should mirror the SCIENTIFIC data we have on that drug. Tennessee and every other state in the U.S. has problems with prescription drugs because they have massive potential for biological addiction. Doctors are actively prescribing opiates, antidepressants, amphetamines, ect. The results of these drugs on society and the individual have absolutely NOTHING to do with marijuana. Again, they must be handled separately and according to SCIENTIFIC DATA. Another one of Obama's lies was that this administration was going to embrace science and let it guide policy. This was and never has been the case with any administration, otherwise marijuana would have been legalized or at the very least massively decriminalized 50 years ago when the Govt appointed teams of doctors/scientists to provide recommendations, which of course were ignored in favor of corporate bribery and the self fulfilling nature of organizations such as the DEA, Prision Industrial complex, ect.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14964970 - 08/23/11 11:57 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The real reason is election is coming up and the Obama administration has to look like he is more center right then center left its politics as usual
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14965005 - 08/23/11 12:04 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The real reason is election is coming up and the Obama administration has to look like he is more center right then center left its politics as usual
The real question is why is a major percentage of the US population unwilling to vote for someone who embraces science in their policy/decision making?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: MokshaMedicine]
#14965164 - 08/23/11 12:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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^Because science has no ego. Any idea is open to be proven incorrect any time.
Sheeple like to have "beliefs". Sheeple are afraid of change. And sheeple will fight the notion that their existing worldview could be wrong, even in the face of proof. Instead of celebrating being proven wrong as an opportunity to closer approach truth and understanding, they involve their ego and loathe it.
Believing you already have the answers makes existence seem much more tame. It gives the illusion of control.
...It also robs you of truth, wonder, growth, adventure, and discovery.
Though some eccentrics would argue those qualities as partially contributing to the nectar of life  .
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: abstrakt]
#14965215 - 08/23/11 01:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Abstrakt i agree but disagree with you like anything that goes into politics the truth becomes skewed and the opposition who disagrees with a main view in science will be dismissed as ignorant backwoods hicks when in fact they have the same degree at better university's
that's why im very shaky when the government gets into the science business
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14965490 - 08/23/11 02:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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im sorry a minority view , but i don't want the rest of the country acting like Californians !!!!... Although i do partake in 420 activities
Cannabis is illegal in california....
I don't understand what your comment means at all 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14965612 - 08/23/11 02:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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im sorry a minority view , but i don't want the rest of the country acting like Californians !!!!... Although i do partake in 420 activities
Ugh
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: dshow]
#14965678 - 08/23/11 02:44 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I've never blocked anyone before but I'm going to have to block you after seeing your sig. I have nothing against you I'm just not gonna look at that.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: yabbahabba]
#14965714 - 08/23/11 02:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I've never blocked anyone before but I'm going to have to block you after seeing your sig. I have nothing against you I'm just not gonna look at that.
lol
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14966199 - 08/23/11 04:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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im sorry a minority view , but i don't want the rest of the country acting like Californians !!!!... Although i do partake in 420 activities
Cannabis is illegal in california....
I don't understand what your comment means at all
Come on if i lived there i could say my hand hurts and they would give me a prescription or if i said i have cronic headaches ... or even if i said i have explosive diarrhea they still would give me a prescription
they shouldnt be giving MJ out to people who dont need it , just look at Californians there heads are in the cloud 90% of the day (not all but a majority)
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966213 - 08/23/11 04:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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So longstragetrip i bet your one of those cali's right
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966249 - 08/23/11 04:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Cannabis should be legal for use by any adult. I mean look at the alternative.... And we know that ain't right.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966304 - 08/23/11 04:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree and disagree but people become lazy when there on it and prolonged use your motivation to do shit just drops too zero
I dont want the United States to be called the home of the lazy
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966322 - 08/23/11 04:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Anymore than sitting on the couch and watching reality TV all day? I find that when I smoke I want to do things now maybe im in the minority, but I have met and am friends with many like minded motivated active smokers. Everyone is different...
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: MokshaMedicine]
#14966377 - 08/23/11 05:12 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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lol why do you care, opens up opportunities for you if everyone is high on their couch, meaning more availability for you, right?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966434 - 08/23/11 05:21 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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elite2121 said:
I agree and disagree but people become lazy when there on it and prolonged use your motivation to do shit just drops too zero
I dont want the United States to be called the home of the lazy
Too late.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Harri]
#14966481 - 08/23/11 05:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Not nesscerily because i have to pay for someone sitting on there couch and thats infringing on my rights ...
MokshaMedicine im like you im out and about but the majority of my friends slow me down and are couch potatoes when they smoke or we play Wii Olympics which is pretty fun haha
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966604 - 08/23/11 05:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Man... it's like when you were a kid sitting in church thinking "That guy's got a suit on... all of these people hold him in very high respects... but what in the fuck is he talking about?"
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14966612 - 08/23/11 05:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Abstrakt i agree but disagree with you like anything that goes into politics the truth becomes skewed and the opposition who disagrees with a main view in science will be dismissed as ignorant backwoods hicks when in fact they have the same degree at better university's
that's why im very shaky when the government gets into the science business
I actually agree with you on this. I was just making a generalized angsty statement because that's how I was feeling at the time.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14967311 - 08/23/11 08:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Not nesscerily because i have to pay for someone sitting on there couch and thats infringing on my rights ...
MokshaMedicine im like you im out and about but the majority of my friends slow me down and are couch potatoes when they smoke or we play Wii Olympics which is pretty fun haha
How can you say that it's infringing on your rights for someone to sit around and do nothing?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Harri]
#14967334 - 08/23/11 08:25 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Welfare/unemployment collection. I mean its not really infringing on your rights unless your consider the taxes associated with the programs an infringement, which many people do. They started drug testing in several states because of this very same fear. Instead of overhauling the system so it can't be absed in the most fundamental of ways they just decide to infringe on peoples personal rights. My guess is whoever came up with this gem has money invested in drug testing BC that shit will bring in a fortune for associated companies, esp. if they plan to test with any kind of regularity...
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: MokshaMedicine]
#14967490 - 08/23/11 09:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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How can such ignorance be in the offices that lead our nation. Seriously.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: MokshaMedicine]
#14967649 - 08/23/11 09:34 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Life death and taxes thats all it is the goverment gets bigger the more they tax us !!!! (infringing on my rights)
They shouldn't really be doing illegal substances if there receiving welfare checks (my view and bias).... I agree with the states that did pass that law and i hope some company's make good money and intern create jobs so maybe people looking for jobs can make some money
See that creates jobs while cutting the fat from are over bloated system plus these states are broke they cant keep sending money to people who dont want to work and taking away from essential services that all citizens use
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
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Don't you think there are bigger problems with the system as a whole than just drug use of recipiants?? I mean it is going to create jobs as tests would have to be done here in the US methinks, but at the same time this also costs money, and as I mentioned a lot if its done on a semi-regular basis. Its feeding prohibition and the whole mentality that goes along with it. I agree with you people shouldn't be using tax dollars to buy drugs. I don't take other peoples money to buy mine, BUT there are so many bigger problems and better ways the handle this than drug screening. GIVE ME A BREAK!
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: MokshaMedicine]
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I agree with you completely the whole system is messed up and we need find solutions but nobody ever gives any so we could see were this leads us .... or putting limits on how long your allowed to receive welfare to sort of like pushing the baby out of the nest . it sort forces people to look for jobs
Dont get me wrong some people may actually need assistance but some people just take advantage of the system
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I've never blocked anyone before but I'm going to have to block you after seeing your sig. I have nothing against you I'm just not gonna look at that.
You know you can turn of signatures?
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Fuck you drug czar, as if your head wouldn't explode from all the truth found on this site.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
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elite2121 said:
im sorry a minority view , but i don't want the rest of the country acting like Californians !!!!... Although i do partake in 420 activities
Cannabis is illegal in california....
I don't understand what your comment means at all
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: nearhorn]
#14968573 - 08/24/11 12:45 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Message to randomnoob #344 (aka) elite2121, if you are against people wantonly smoking pot, why the fuck did you join the Shroomery?
Your's truly,
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: abstrakt]
#14969146 - 08/24/11 03:09 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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^Because science has no ego. Any idea is open to be proven incorrect any time.
Sheeple like to have "beliefs". Sheeple are afraid of change. And sheeple will fight the notion that their existing worldview could be wrong, even in the face of proof. Instead of celebrating being proven wrong as an opportunity to closer approach truth and understanding, they involve their ego and loathe it.
Believing you already have the answers makes existence seem much more tame. It gives the illusion of control.
...It also robs you of truth, wonder, growth, adventure, and discovery.
Though some eccentrics would argue those qualities as partially contributing to the nectar of life .
You, sir, are awesome.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14969602 - 08/24/11 08:22 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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E-in Liondragon said:
Message to randomnoob #344 (aka) elite2121, if you are against people wantonly smoking pot, why the fuck did you join the Shroomery?
Your's truly,
E-in
I like to hear from different people who have a opposite view point, im very open minded individual and like to hear opinions from all , is it so bad to want to hear opinions other then people who agree with you 90% of the time
It actually makes me a better well rounded individual because i know were the opposition is coming from
I love the SHOOMERY , and for the most part people are pretty respectful , and if i ask a question someone has always got an answer
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14969824 - 08/24/11 10:02 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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im sorry a minority view , but i don't want the rest of the country acting like Californians !!!!... Although i do partake in 420 activities
Cannabis is illegal in california....
I don't understand what your comment means at all
Come on if i lived there i could say my hand hurts and they would give me a prescription or if i said i have cronic headaches ... or even if i said i have explosive diarrhea they still would give me a prescription
they shouldnt be giving MJ out to people who dont need it , just look at Californians there heads are in the cloud 90% of the day (not all but a majority)
Like others said, everyone should have the right to smoke cannabis if they want to, despite your childish judgements of them.
Also, technically, its still illegal; even people with medical cards are breaking federal law. Cannabis is NOT LEGAL ANYWHERE IN THE US!!! (get that yet?)
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So longstragetrip i bet your one of those cali's right
I live as far away from California as you could imagine 
Your quite ignorant
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14969843 - 08/24/11 10:10 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree and disagree but people become lazy when there on it and prolonged use your motivation to do shit just drops too zero
I dont want the United States to be called the home of the lazy
You would rather that remain with the largest prison population in the world? More prisoners than China? Your United States is the home of the dumbasses apparently~
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Life death and taxes thats all it is the goverment gets bigger the more they tax us !!!! (infringing on my rights)
You live in a fantasy world
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They shouldn't really be doing illegal substances if there receiving welfare checks (my view and bias).... I agree with the states that did pass that law and i hope some company's make good money and intern create jobs so maybe people looking for jobs can make some money
See that creates jobs while cutting the fat from are over bloated system plus these states are broke they cant keep sending money to people who dont want to work and taking away from essential services that all citizens use
I can't even....begin to enough for you. The states that have passed laws can barley "make" money; only one county, Oakland, actually pays taxes on the bud they sell, so the state / feds make nothing. O wait you think taxes are evil and treading on your freedom 
You need help and knowledge... your very dumb...I refuse to help you, I'm just blocking you
 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14970380 - 08/24/11 12:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTripS your probably from massachuets then haha were they cant search your car if they smell weed....
Dont put words in my mouth i didn't say they should be arrested but they shouldn't be able to receive government benefits thats what i said
this is the problem with the extreme left if they don't agree with you they try to slander you ex- (longstrangetrips) without giving any rational reasoning and then ignoring the person because there views dont match up with there own view of the perfect world
Thats called be closed minded and you my friend are very close minded
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14970440 - 08/24/11 12:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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See that creates jobs while cutting the fat from are over bloated system plus these states are broke they cant keep sending money to people who dont want to work and taking away from essential services that all citizens use
I can't even....begin to enough for you. The states that have passed laws can barley "make" money; only one county, Oakland, actually pays taxes on the bud they sell, so the state / feds make nothing. O wait you think taxes are evil and treading on your freedom
obviously you dont know what i was talking about with the other person this is talking about drug testing and not about selling weed broski good try thow
And it is infringing if you haven't seen the harm the progressive tax system has done to this country in the last fifty year's then again you are
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14971741 - 08/24/11 06:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTripS your probably from massachuets then haha were they cant search your car if they smell weed....
Dont put words in my mouth i didn't say they should be arrested but they shouldn't be able to receive government benefits thats what i said
this is the problem with the extreme left if they don't agree with you they try to slander you ex- (longstrangetrips) without giving any rational reasoning and then ignoring the person because there views dont match up with there own view of the perfect world
Thats called be closed minded and you my friend are very close minded
This is the problem. You're one of those people that can't take a concept as it is without assigning a broader label to it. You disagree with legalizing marijuana (or you want to drug test welfare recipients for it, I'm not really sure the way you stated your opinions were kind of confusing.) Legalizing marijuana isn't an "extreme left" concept, it's just common sense. You say you respect the Shroomery members because they provide you with another perspective, yet you would have them thrown in jail for doing what they do should you be able to choose public policy.
You need to stop stereotyping everything. If "the left" suddenly claimed that "justice is good" as part of their platform, you would disagree with them just to dissociate yourself from them.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#14972398 - 08/24/11 08:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Don't talk shit about California. I'm sorry we know better than everybody else. We can't help it that we're way ahead of the curve. Try catching up. 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121] 1
#14972453 - 08/24/11 08:25 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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By the way, I'd like to point out that California pulls most of the country's weight with our tax revenue. California wouldn't be in debt if it weren't for the rest of you slackers leeching off us. Silicon Valley alone is the only reason why America continues to be relevant on the world stage. You know alcohol makes people lazier than pot?
I'm sorry whatever state you're from sucks so bad elite, but you sound like a Fox News watcher. Take your backwards bullshit elsewhere.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14972551 - 08/24/11 08:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 thats why cali has the most dept and other states are going to have to carry CALI because of there dept company's are also leaving cali to go to states that dont have income tax like Texas or Florida thats the facts ......
I never said that legalizing marijuana is a far left concept , im on the border leaning a little bit against because I know how Americans are and how we like to over indulge .... Not all but for the most part thats how Americans are im just trying to put psychology in it and i see pros and cons
And No Celestial Traveler I look at facts ive always loved justice and my country ... That said i like how you presented your statement till you took that slash at me but its cool i respect you
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972564 - 08/24/11 08:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, and most of us overindulge in alcohol (or opiates, as our beloved administration pointed out) instead of pot. Do you think that's better? In California a lot of people smoke pot and take acid instead of getting wasted and maybe that's why other states are always leeching off us.
We have the most debt because we make the most money and we have to give a lot of it to broke-ass idiot states... duh. You're harping on welfare, but why should Alabama get any of my money when I know they're only going to spend it on everclear and guns for robbing pharmacies?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14972615 - 08/24/11 08:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with you on the first point to a certain extent
But CALI IS THE BROKEST STATE IN THE UNION .... THEY WOULDNT BE LOANING MONEY IF THEY HAVE NONE
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972679 - 08/24/11 09:04 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Except we're not broke at all, in fact we're the only state in the country that would be in the top ten biggest economies in the world if we were independent. Our GSP is $1.8 trillion BTW.
Lazy alcoholic junkie southerners need to get a fucking job!
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972716 - 08/24/11 09:10 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I like to see facts were people buy guns with welfare please ?
IF you cant prove your point i can tell your just trying to slander gun owners (no i dont own one )
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html
maybe the facts will show you the truth
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972735 - 08/24/11 09:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Alabamas dept to GDP ratio is 14%
CAli's dept to GDP ratio 19%
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972770 - 08/24/11 09:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I do agree with you if someone is receiving government benefits they really shouldn't be having a good time but looking for a job , that we do agree on
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972842 - 08/24/11 09:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If people can't have a good time on government money then they have no way to relieve stress, and no way to relieve stress means they cost the government far more in preventable stress-related emergency room visits. Alcohol and opiates cause emergency room visits, but guess what doesn't? Pot.
So I don't think we actually agree on that one.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972895 - 08/24/11 09:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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WHAT STRESS DOES SOMEONE HAVE IF THEY DO NOTHING !!!! AND THERES OTHER WAYS OF RELEASING STRESS THEN DOING DRUGS ... A CALIFORNIAN GUY SHOULD KNOW THIS EX= YOGA , MEDIATION ,
Plus pot is more of a gateway drug then alchol even thow i agree with you that alcohol is a hell of alot worse for you than pot
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972946 - 08/24/11 09:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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pot is more of a gateway drug then alchol even thow i agree with you that alcohol is a hell of alot worse for you than pot
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972963 - 08/24/11 09:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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And No Celestial Traveler I look at facts ive always loved justice and my country ... That said i like how you presented your statement till you took that slash at me but its cool i respect you
I didn't mean anything offensively and the point is that you disagree with legalizing marijuana because of whom you associate it with - leftists, hippies, liberals, stoners, etc. You have a pretty vivid stereotype behind how you perceive marijuana. What I'm saying is you shouldn't let this affect your judgment.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14973090 - 08/24/11 10:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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here let me explain you get a heavy tolerence with pot rather quickly if you smoke alot , if you use in moderation youll be fine
but if you drink a 12 pack each day for a year your tolerence will be around the same and your buzz is the same (but your liver is dying
that said people start to looking for better drugs that give them a greater high or they start mixing things like smoking and drinking which just make it that much worse or smoking and robo trippin  (i miss those days)
And CElesterialtraveler i actually was a stoner belevie it or not back when i spent half my paycheck on bud , until my dad explained to me moderation was the key and a bunch of other shit .... so i have a tradition coming up at the end of September where i fly down to flordia for a nice shroom and pot week with my bro's
When i come back i fell refreshed and like a new person ,But i feel like not every one has someone to explain to them that moderation is the key
I consider my self at times a hippi
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121] 1
#14973118 - 08/24/11 10:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Um, as somebody who is no stranger to the daily twelve pack, I can tell you that your tolerance shoots through the roof when you drink like that. I've hardly drank in the past couple weeks so if I had a strong beer now I'd get a nice buzz going, but in my heyday I'd have to drink six or so for something comparable.
By comparison, I smoke pot on the daily, but very rarely more than a bowl. I find a bowl in the evening to be very consistently satisfying.
Pot is not a gateway drug any more than any other drug that people try first (including alcohol and tobacco). That theory was debunked a long time ago and only the truly ignorant cling to it today.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14973235 - 08/24/11 10:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ok but you just smoke a bowl a day before bed that's moderation . but people who wake and bake then smoke a bowl on the drive to school then on the way back call buds up then smoke a bowl while chilling then go for a vc (valley cruise), then before bed for a great sleep
well that's going to build tolerance rather quickly
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14973327 - 08/24/11 11:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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OK true, but the same goes for alcohol. Go overboard with anything and you will rapidly build tolerance.
Weed is not somehow uniquely capable of making people want to do other drugs. If anything, the severe disinhibition brought on by alcohol makes me want to do any and all drugs I can get my hands on, whereas the sensitization caused by weed makes me want to be more careful than that.
I do know a guy who smokes like that, though, and yeah, it's definitely not good. I've seen him cough so hard he puked, several times. But again, he is less inclined to do other drugs than I am (me being better known for my insatiable thirst for alcohol), so once again the gateway-drug theory does not match up either with my experiences or with other evidence.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14973408 - 08/24/11 11:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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SEE THANK YOU .... you didnt yell or just use random facts you made sense to me while makeing me think in areas were i wouldnt really think of going thats the reason i retract what i was saying about keeping it illegal to make it legal with age restrictions (if that matters haha)
see im 20 psy. major i like the study of the human mind and just like anything when proven with good facts things can be changed , just like my view on the legalization of pot
So thanks Tchan909 Your a GRADE A SHROOMERY member
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14973480 - 08/24/11 11:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ah just luv mah sweet home Californee is all! 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14973802 - 08/25/11 12:32 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The issue isn't letting people smoke cannabis, I think a lot of us here are proof that we'll smoke whether you're gonna let us or not. The issue is that the government wants to put us in fucking jail for it. What can I say about vermin that would want me to be taken away from my family and thrown in a hell hole for simply using/selling/possessing some weed? Go fuck yourself I guess.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: scifipirate]
#14973823 - 08/25/11 12:35 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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^^ also that article ^^
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: scifipirate]
#14973987 - 08/25/11 01:03 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think society is evolving, it's just not fast enough. This is an issue of our time and one that is steeped in lies and indoctrination, but real evidence cannot be avoided. Most people under 50 years old and more specifically my generation ~20's refuse to believe the bullshit. It's only a matter of time. This aggression will not stand DUDE.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: MokshaMedicine]
#14973998 - 08/25/11 01:04 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree, society isn't fat enough. 
EDIT: Aw darn, you fixed it. 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14974022 - 08/25/11 01:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yea America is fat as fuck though.  Too much fast/processed food. Too convenient.
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#14974104 - 08/25/11 01:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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You guys are being trolled so bad....
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: supernovasky]
#14975278 - 08/25/11 10:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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People in the early 20's can change there mind rather quickly because there frontal lobe of there brain isnt fully developed until your mid 20's ,
Now for the most part 23 -25 seems to be the time line when people start to develop full reasoning , so i bet around 50 - 75 % of people in there 20's would change there mind as they get older
Just like myself i forgot to put into account that i will have kids someday and wouldnt want them smoking, drinking or even smoking cigarettes so i feel like family's will be alot more hesitant on legalizing weed too
HEY I LOVE MY TACO BELL PROBABLY EAT IT EVERY DAY AND I WEIGH 130 5'10"
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#14976916 - 08/25/11 04:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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HEY I LOVE MY TACO BELL PROBABLY EAT IT EVERY DAY AND I WEIGH 130 5'10"
you probably weigh 130 lbs because you eat taco bell everyday. (little nutrition or protein, ammonia filled meats that has hundreds of corn fed cows in each taco, everything is completely processed, aka complete bullshit food) just because your not fat doesn't mean your eating healthy. (maybe the lack of vitamins have affected your brain development) it seems like the same logic you used in that comment, you also used in your previous posts. i was going to rip every sentence you wrote then i got to "gateway drug" and thought whats the fucking point, youve already drank the punch.
- btw im a chronic smoker who runs and works out 6 days a week, has 2 jobs and a full time student with zero help. so take your stereotypical attitude and shove it up your ass. (and you have the nerve to say you have many different perspectives)
people who stereotype and buy into the propaganda, such as you have, have perpetuated this senseless drug war...
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Pilz]
#14977074 - 08/25/11 04:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I thought only fat people could eat unhealthily. 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14979057 - 08/25/11 11:22 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Pilz Alright again you dont sound credible and good for you, but bro TACO BELL IS THE SHIT , ALSO MCDS , WENDYS WHAT EVER , YOUR A SMOKER YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT (AND IF YOU SAY YOU NEVER TRIED ANY FAST FOOD I CALL BS)
I WORK 2 JOBs WHILE GOING TO SCHOOL TOO, SO GOOD FOR YOU I DONT GET HELP EITHER SO CONGRATS WELCOME TO THE BOAT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO WORK WHILE THERE GOING TO SCHOOL (CRY BABY)
I MAY NOT WORK OUT , DONT NEED TO MY JOB AS A DOCK LOADER IS A HELL OF A JOB ,GOOD PAY THOW
THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU KNOW PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY TRY TO SLANDER YOU WITH NO FACTS AT ALL, I JUST HOLD MY HEAD UP TALL BECAUSE I KNOW IM BETTER THEN THAT AND ILL PROVE WHAT I SAY WITH FACTS
my statemant above stands look it up , your brain dosent fully develop until your mid 20's im just looking at this threw the eyes of facts not trying to make you mad
But ill explain to you Why American's are fat with REAL fact's(NON BIASED)(THIS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OVER YOUR READING LEVEL Pilz)
First ill explain why we eat
Eating occurs as a result of a complex interplay between hunger and satiety.
Chemical signals,Glucose and Leptin are two chemicals that tell the brain if your hungry ,and when your full
Glucose - when your blood glucose level is low youll be hungry but when it rises it sends a signal to your brain that your full.
(studies with rats show that injecting glucose to the blood stream can reduce eating)
Leptin-is essential for regulating the amount of food eatin over long periods of time , how this works is when fat cells grow they release leptin, when the recptors in the brain senses high levels of Leptin, it in turn sends signals that inhibit us from eating
Now to the brain (Ill keep this short and get straight to the point)
Hypothalamus- two parts the latheral hypothalamus- important for hunger ,ventromedial hypothalamus -important for satiety
if either part of the Hypothalamus is damaged it can lead to overeating , or under eating
Now to why so many Americans are obese
1.Around 5% of obese people have a medical condition which makes them litterly obese
2.Americans have a wide variety diet
biological factor come in to play-
Like when early humans evolved under unpredictable food availability, so during times after a successful hunt or times when there was an abundance of edible vegetation people would overeat. it was a definite plus to overeat in preparation for food deprivation.Overeating would lead to fat storage that increased the chances for survival throughout periods when food was scarce
Now back to today Due to the high calorie foods provided by TB, Wendys ,MCDS... etc our built in Mechanism works to our disadvantage
On top of this portion sizes at these fast food restaurants also are a problem to SOME they see these big portions as there getting a great deal but it really leads to increase in there calorie intake a day, without doing anything extra(in lamens terms) people start to gain weight
Once people start to become accustomed to ingesting very large amounts of foods trying to scale down to a sensible porting size will feel like deprivation
ALSO ENVIORMENTMENTAL REASONS
Humans are much more likely to gain weight if they have an overweight Friends even if the person lives far away and the number of shared meals is minimal
Bamm your statement about how im still 130 dosent add up with the facts
I believe i took the right amount of vitamins when i was a kid , too much vitamins is also toxic for you and can create more bad then good to your brain i believe thats what happened to your brain it has a chemical imbalance. Thats why you think so Looney (how did you like that)
I never stereotyped (BESIDES FOR THE CALIFORNIA STAB)
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ADD REAL FACTS OR DONT SAY SHIT... BECAUSE YOUR TALKING LIKE A MAN WITH A PAPER ASS
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979351 - 08/26/11 12:13 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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 I'm starting to like you.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979420 - 08/26/11 12:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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MokshaMedicine said:
This aggression will not stand DUDE.
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elite2121 said:
i bet around 50 - 75 % of people in there 20's would sell out as they get older
Fix'd
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979446 - 08/26/11 12:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Pilz Alright again you dont sound credible and good for you, but bro TACO BELL IS THE SHIT , ALSO MCDS , WENDYS WHAT EVER , YOUR A SMOKER YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT (AND IF YOU SAY YOU NEVER TRIED ANY FAST FOOD I CALL BS)
yes your right fast food is shit and obviously i have eaten plenty of times. again your stereotyping by saying everyone that smokes eats fast food
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I WORK 2 JOBs WHILE GOING TO SCHOOL TOO, SO GOOD FOR YOU I DONT GET HELP EITHER SO CONGRATS WELCOME TO THE BOAT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO WORK WHILE THERE GOING TO SCHOOL (CRY BABY)
did i ever say you didnt? i said that i am smoker and im definitely not the least bit lazy. your reading comprehension seems to be on par with your writing.
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I MAY NOT WORK OUT , DONT NEED TO MY JOB AS A DOCK LOADER IS A HELL OF A JOB ,GOOD PAY THOW
working hard and working out/running are two completely different things.
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THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU KNOW PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY TRY TO SLANDER YOU WITH NO FACTS AT ALL, I JUST HOLD MY HEAD UP TALL BECAUSE I KNOW IM BETTER THEN THAT AND ILL PROVE WHAT I SAY WITH FACTS
The only thing you have proven with any fact is that your an complete assclown
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my statemant above stands look it up , your brain dosent fully develop until your mid 20's im just looking at this threw the eyes of facts not trying to make you mad
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But ill explain to you Why American's are fat with REAL fact's(NON BIASED)(THIS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OVER YOUR READING LEVEL Pilz)
you commenting on someones reading level is beyond hilarity
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First ill explain why we eat (please do )
Eating occurs as a result of a complex interplay between hunger and satiety.
Chemical signals,Glucose and Leptin are two chemicals that tell the brain if your hungry ,and when your full
Glucose - when your blood glucose level is low youll be hungry but when it rises it sends a signal to your brain that your full.
(studies with rats show that injecting glucose to the blood stream can reduce eating)
Leptin-is essential for regulating the amount of food eatin over long periods of time , how this works is when fat cells grow they release leptin, when the recptors in the brain senses high levels of Leptin, it in turn sends signals that inhibit us from eating
Now to the brain (Ill keep this short and get straight to the point)
Hypothalamus- two parts the latheral hypothalamus- important for hunger ,ventromedial hypothalamus -important for satiety
if either part of the Hypothalamus is damaged it can lead to overeating , or under eating
Now to why so many Americans are obese
1.Around 5% of obese people have a medical condition which makes them litterly obese
2.Americans have a wide variety diet
biological factor come in to play-
Like when early humans evolved under unpredictable food availability, so during times after a successful hunt or times when there was an abundance of edible vegetation people would overeat. it was a definite plus to overeat in preparation for food deprivation.Overeating would lead to fat storage that increased the chances for survival throughout periods when food was scarce
Now back to today Due to the high calorie foods provided by TB, Wendys ,MCDS... etc our built in Mechanism works to our disadvantage
On top of this portion sizes at these fast food restaurants also are a problem to SOME they see these big portions as there getting a great deal but it really leads to increase in there calorie intake a day, without doing anything extra(in lamens terms) people start to gain weight
Once people start to become accustomed to ingesting very large amounts of foods trying to scale down to a sensible porting size will feel like deprivation
ALSO ENVIORMENTMENTAL REASONS
Humans are much more likely to gain weight if they have an overweight Friends even if the person lives far away and the number of shared meals is minimal
Bamm your statement about how im still 130 dosent add up with the facts
I believe i took the right amount of vitamins when i was a kid , too much vitamins is also toxic for you and can create more bad then good to your brain i believe thats what happened to your brain it has a chemical imbalance. Thats why you think so Looney (how did you like that)
Thanks emerald for the long banter that has nothing to do with anything. is your argument fast food is a better food choice for someone?
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I never stereotyped (BESIDES FOR THE CALIFORNIA STAB)
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I agree and disagree but people become lazy when there on it and prolonged use your motivation to do shit just drops too zero
I dont want the United States to be called the home of the lazy
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elite2121 said:
I know how Americans are and how we like to over indulge
would you like to retract your statement?
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IF YOU WANT TO TALK ADD REAL FACTS OR DONT SAY SHIT... BECAUSE YOUR TALKING LIKE A MAN WITH A PAPER ASS
the only fact you laid out is that people eat. are you trying to use the chewbacca defense on me?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Pilz]
#14979686 - 08/26/11 01:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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No i dont think fast food is better for you... just wanted to add facts because people were talking about how americans are fat so if someone was reading this i wanted to put the reason's why we overeat
i also wanted to show you that i eat taco bell every day but i dont over indulge as other Americans do wich cause them to get fat
2nd supposedly stereotype if you dont think the same thing your from mars, then im not explaining it to you figure it out
elite2121 said:
I agree and disagree but people become lazy when there on it and prolonged use your motivation to do shit just drops too zero
I dont want the United States to be called the home of the lazy
2 DOWN FROM THAT I SAY after someone pointed what you said i made a correction so (im sorry about that)
MokshaMedicine im like you im out and about but the majority of my friends slow me down and are couch potatoes when they smoke or we play Wii Olympics which is pretty fun haha
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979728 - 08/26/11 01:26 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Well im lifting boxes weighing 65 to 100 pounds basically most of my shift i dont feel like i have to lift weights or work out because my job is very physical 100% of my body is sore after i get home
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979785 - 08/26/11 01:43 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979865 - 08/26/11 02:07 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14979884 - 08/26/11 02:11 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It's about having a choice, if you don't want to smoke weed then don't but I believe that you have the god given right to consume cannabis as much as you want whenever you want, you only live once, why should there be limitations?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14982070 - 08/26/11 03:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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elite2121 said:
here let me explain you get a heavy tolerence with pot rather quickly if you smoke alot , if you use in moderation youll be fine
but if you drink a 12 pack each day for a year your tolerence will be around the same and your buzz is the same (but your liver is dying
that said people start to looking for better drugs that give them a greater high or they start mixing things like smoking and drinking which just make it that much worse or smoking and robo trippin (i miss those days)
And CElesterialtraveler i actually was a stoner belevie it or not back when i spent half my paycheck on bud , until my dad explained to me moderation was the key and a bunch of other shit .... so i have a tradition coming up at the end of September where i fly down to flordia for a nice shroom and pot week with my bro's
When i come back i fell refreshed and like a new person ,But i feel like not every one has someone to explain to them that moderation is the key
I consider my self at times a hippi
You don't need to be a hippie, you just need to understand common sense. The only reason you're not in prison or don't have a criminal record right now is because the laws didn't work and didn't do what they were supposed to. If the system hadn't erred, you would be in prison or have a prison sentence on your record, and if you had gotten caught when you were young, you never would have been eligible for federal student aid.
I know that some people use drugs including marijuana irresponsibly (despite the fact that they are illegal), but that's for them to determine, not the government. We don't need these one-size-fits-all rules where everyone is treated like a child and punished with harsh laws just to make sure that those that screw up get punished. And furthermore, a system based on punishment isn't going to help someone that has a problem with drugs.
The message here isn't that drugs are good (although some drugs can be good for some people, some of the time). It's a lot more complex than that.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#14985550 - 08/27/11 08:39 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Most do so privately and responsibly. Legalizing cannabis simply acknowledges this reality and seeks to regulate the behavior appropriately. In a free society, why would even consider doing differently?
He doesn't tell us his idea of appropriate responsibility, or how other people should be regulated by his free society.
Conditional use is a recurrent theme in legalization dialogues, but noone was able to meet those (ostensibly appropriate) conditions under the Stamp Act.
It was just a tax, right?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14987420 - 08/27/11 05:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The whole problem with the argument for making marijuana illegal (or, really, any drug) is that it assumes that when drugs are prohibited somehow everybody is safer than if it were legal.
This, however, is actually not the case. Drug use in times of prohibition rarely decrease in any significant manner (if at all) and since people are still willing to do drugs, despite their illegal status, there's still money to be made. This is where you get violent cartels and drug dealers who don't have to adhere to ANY regulations because, inherent in prohibiting a substance, criminals are now the ones in charge.
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