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 Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru  [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14970380 - 08/24/11 12:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTripS your probably from massachuets then haha were they cant search your car if they smell weed....
Dont put words in my mouth i didn't say they should be arrested but they shouldn't be able to receive government benefits thats what i said
this is the problem with the extreme left if they don't agree with you they try to slander you ex- (longstrangetrips) without giving any rational reasoning and then ignoring the person because there views dont match up with there own view of the perfect world
Thats called be closed minded and you my friend are very close minded
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14970440 - 08/24/11 12:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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See that creates jobs while cutting the fat from are over bloated system plus these states are broke they cant keep sending money to people who dont want to work and taking away from essential services that all citizens use
I can't even....begin to  enough for you. The states that have passed laws can barley "make" money; only one county, Oakland, actually pays taxes on the bud they sell, so the state / feds make nothing. O wait you think taxes are evil and treading on your freedom 
obviously you dont know what i was talking about with the other person this is talking about drug testing and not about selling weed broski good try thow
And it is infringing if you haven't seen the harm the progressive tax system has done to this country in the last fifty year's then again you are
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14971741 - 08/24/11 06:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTripS your probably from massachuets then haha were they cant search your car if they smell weed....
Dont put words in my mouth i didn't say they should be arrested but they shouldn't be able to receive government benefits thats what i said
this is the problem with the extreme left if they don't agree with you they try to slander you ex- (longstrangetrips) without giving any rational reasoning and then ignoring the person because there views dont match up with there own view of the perfect world
Thats called be closed minded and you my friend are very close minded
This is the problem. You're one of those people that can't take a concept as it is without assigning a broader label to it. You disagree with legalizing marijuana (or you want to drug test welfare recipients for it, I'm not really sure the way you stated your opinions were kind of confusing.) Legalizing marijuana isn't an "extreme left" concept, it's just common sense. You say you respect the Shroomery members because they provide you with another perspective, yet you would have them thrown in jail for doing what they do should you be able to choose public policy.
You need to stop stereotyping everything. If "the left" suddenly claimed that "justice is good" as part of their platform, you would disagree with them just to dissociate yourself from them.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#14972398 - 08/24/11 08:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Don't talk shit about California. I'm sorry we know better than everybody else. We can't help it that we're way ahead of the curve. Try catching up. 
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121] 1
#14972453 - 08/24/11 08:25 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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By the way, I'd like to point out that California pulls most of the country's weight with our tax revenue. California wouldn't be in debt if it weren't for the rest of you slackers leeching off us. Silicon Valley alone is the only reason why America continues to be relevant on the world stage. You know alcohol makes people lazier than pot?
I'm sorry whatever state you're from sucks so bad elite, but you sound like a Fox News watcher. Take your backwards bullshit elsewhere.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14972551 - 08/24/11 08:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 thats why cali has the most dept and other states are going to have to carry CALI because of there dept company's are also leaving cali to go to states that dont have income tax like Texas or Florida thats the facts ......
I never said that legalizing marijuana is a far left concept , im on the border leaning a little bit against because I know how Americans are and how we like to over indulge .... Not all but for the most part thats how Americans are im just trying to put psychology in it and i see pros and cons
And No Celestial Traveler I look at facts ive always loved justice and my country ... That said i like how you presented your statement till you took that slash at me but its cool i respect you
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972564 - 08/24/11 08:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, and most of us overindulge in alcohol (or opiates, as our beloved administration pointed out) instead of pot. Do you think that's better? In California a lot of people smoke pot and take acid instead of getting wasted and maybe that's why other states are always leeching off us.
We have the most debt because we make the most money and we have to give a lot of it to broke-ass idiot states... duh. You're harping on welfare, but why should Alabama get any of my money when I know they're only going to spend it on everclear and guns for robbing pharmacies?
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: BlindSophist]
#14972615 - 08/24/11 08:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with you on the first point to a certain extent
But CALI IS THE BROKEST STATE IN THE UNION .... THEY WOULDNT BE LOANING MONEY IF THEY HAVE NONE
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972679 - 08/24/11 09:04 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Except we're not broke at all, in fact we're the only state in the country that would be in the top ten biggest economies in the world if we were independent. Our GSP is $1.8 trillion BTW.
Lazy alcoholic junkie southerners need to get a fucking job!
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972716 - 08/24/11 09:10 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I like to see facts were people buy guns with welfare please ?
IF you cant prove your point i can tell your just trying to slander gun owners (no i dont own one )
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html
maybe the facts will show you the truth
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972735 - 08/24/11 09:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Alabamas dept to GDP ratio is 14%
CAli's dept to GDP ratio 19%
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#14972770 - 08/24/11 09:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I do agree with you if someone is receiving government benefits they really shouldn't be having a good time but looking for a job , that we do agree on
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972842 - 08/24/11 09:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If people can't have a good time on government money then they have no way to relieve stress, and no way to relieve stress means they cost the government far more in preventable stress-related emergency room visits. Alcohol and opiates cause emergency room visits, but guess what doesn't? Pot.
So I don't think we actually agree on that one.
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972895 - 08/24/11 09:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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WHAT STRESS DOES SOMEONE HAVE IF THEY DO NOTHING !!!! AND THERES OTHER WAYS OF RELEASING STRESS THEN DOING DRUGS ... A CALIFORNIAN GUY SHOULD KNOW THIS EX= YOGA , MEDIATION ,
Plus pot is more of a gateway drug then alchol even thow i agree with you that alcohol is a hell of alot worse for you than pot
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972946 - 08/24/11 09:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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pot is more of a gateway drug then alchol even thow i agree with you that alcohol is a hell of alot worse for you than pot
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14972963 - 08/24/11 09:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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And No Celestial Traveler I look at facts ive always loved justice and my country ... That said i like how you presented your statement till you took that slash at me but its cool i respect you
I didn't mean anything offensively and the point is that you disagree with legalizing marijuana because of whom you associate it with - leftists, hippies, liberals, stoners, etc. You have a pretty vivid stereotype behind how you perceive marijuana. What I'm saying is you shouldn't let this affect your judgment.
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#14973090 - 08/24/11 10:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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here let me explain you get a heavy tolerence with pot rather quickly if you smoke alot , if you use in moderation youll be fine
but if you drink a 12 pack each day for a year your tolerence will be around the same and your buzz is the same (but your liver is dying
that said people start to looking for better drugs that give them a greater high or they start mixing things like smoking and drinking which just make it that much worse or smoking and robo trippin  (i miss those days)
And CElesterialtraveler i actually was a stoner belevie it or not back when i spent half my paycheck on bud , until my dad explained to me moderation was the key and a bunch of other shit .... so i have a tradition coming up at the end of September where i fly down to flordia for a nice shroom and pot week with my bro's
When i come back i fell refreshed and like a new person ,But i feel like not every one has someone to explain to them that moderation is the key
I consider my self at times a hippi
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121] 1
#14973118 - 08/24/11 10:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Um, as somebody who is no stranger to the daily twelve pack, I can tell you that your tolerance shoots through the roof when you drink like that. I've hardly drank in the past couple weeks so if I had a strong beer now I'd get a nice buzz going, but in my heyday I'd have to drink six or so for something comparable.
By comparison, I smoke pot on the daily, but very rarely more than a bowl. I find a bowl in the evening to be very consistently satisfying.
Pot is not a gateway drug any more than any other drug that people try first (including alcohol and tobacco). That theory was debunked a long time ago and only the truly ignorant cling to it today.
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#14973235 - 08/24/11 10:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ok but you just smoke a bowl a day before bed that's moderation . but people who wake and bake then smoke a bowl on the drive to school then on the way back call buds up then smoke a bowl while chilling then go for a vc (valley cruise), then before bed for a great sleep
well that's going to build tolerance rather quickly
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Re: Drug Czar’s Office To NORML: ‘We Can’t Legalize Marijuana Because Some People Abuse Prescription Dru [Re: elite2121]
#14973327 - 08/24/11 11:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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OK true, but the same goes for alcohol. Go overboard with anything and you will rapidly build tolerance.
Weed is not somehow uniquely capable of making people want to do other drugs. If anything, the severe disinhibition brought on by alcohol makes me want to do any and all drugs I can get my hands on, whereas the sensitization caused by weed makes me want to be more careful than that.
I do know a guy who smokes like that, though, and yeah, it's definitely not good. I've seen him cough so hard he puked, several times. But again, he is less inclined to do other drugs than I am (me being better known for my insatiable thirst for alcohol), so once again the gateway-drug theory does not match up either with my experiences or with other evidence.
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