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Well? 
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#14945117 - 08/19/11 01:36 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It depends on how far gone I was. If I lost all of my friends and family, I'd probably try to isolate the few good things I had left, and see if it was worth it. If I realized I was on the verge, I'd probably take a very hefty dose of aya or mushrooms and see if they had a say in the matter 
To me, life is ALWAYS worth living, and there is always something to work toward.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14945124 - 08/19/11 01:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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"A man can be as happy and free as he want to be because there is nothing to lose and nothing to gain."
A quote from the book Another Roadside Attraction, which i was fortunate to read at a young age, the girl who reccomended it mentioned offhand that there is frequent graphic buttsex, which i thought was funny
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14945126 - 08/19/11 01:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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We only need have worth to ourselves.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14945139 - 08/19/11 01:42 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If I realized I was on the verge, I'd probably take a very hefty dose of aya or mushrooms and see if they had a say in the matter
What if you discovered, while high on those drugs, that you have absolutely no worth? Basically, I'm trying to ask: do you need to feel like you are important, or worthy in at least some sense in order to continue living?
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We only need have worth to ourselves.
But what if you discovered that you have no worth to yourself?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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What if you discovered, while high on those drugs, that you have absolutely no worth? Basically, I'm trying to ask: do you need to feel like you are important, or worthy in at least some sense in order to continue living?
Then I would have to do some very serious decision making.
My self-worth is decided by what I feel I can provide to others. I feel like my purpose is to have a positive affect on at least one person's life. If I help even 1 person for the better, I'm succeeding and have worth. If my life ever becomes stagnant in that respect, I will feel worthless.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: bholzer]
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My self-worth is decided by what I feel I can provide to others.
Do you require self-worth in order to continue living?
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I feel like my purpose is to have a positive affect on at least one person's life.
Do you require a purpose in order to continue living?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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My self-worth is decided by what I feel I can provide to others.
Do you require self-worth in order to continue living?
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I feel like my purpose is to have a positive affect on at least one person's life.
Do you require a purpose in order to continue living?
Absolutely. If I have no purpose, then my time here is done. Not in a despairing way, but it means I'm just...done 
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: bholzer]
#14945278 - 08/19/11 02:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Why?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14945281 - 08/19/11 02:28 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Why?
Why not? I'd have nothing left to offer.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: bholzer]
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Why do you need to have something to offer in order to continue living?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless?
Dunno, I have never experienced the feeling of feeling 'completely worthless' as of yet.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: foliocb]
#14945399 - 08/19/11 02:59 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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So you're unclear as to how much your feelings of self-worth influence your decision to continue living?
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We only need have worth to ourselves.
But what if you discovered that you have no worth to yourself?
Then there is always Mom.  
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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Well?
fuck yes
if i'm completely worthless, I could do anything, cuz it doesnt matter. It doesnt amount to anything
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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We only need have worth to ourselves.
But what if you discovered that you have no worth to yourself?
Then there is always Mom.
one of the main reasons i don't do "anything I want" as described above
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: the bizzle]
#14945478 - 08/19/11 03:24 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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What if I found out the worthlessness had to be an illusion?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14946079 - 08/19/11 08:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Well?
Yes, especially if you really learned how lucky you are being worthless.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14946080 - 08/19/11 08:52 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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...how lucky you are being worthless.
May you elaborate? How is someone who's worthless lucky?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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If you hold your life subjectively pointless or worthless then you are free to experience life according to your whim and inner voice. There is no guilt or shame if nothing is of value and needs protecting. No loss in taking risks or exploring unusual projects.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14946285 - 08/19/11 10:21 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ah I see..I think I would have to agree with you.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14946295 - 08/19/11 10:26 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Of course this is a most difficult if not impossible challenge. Still, it's worth some effort imo. There are rewards to even partial success.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14946312 - 08/19/11 10:30 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Of course this is a most difficult if not impossible challenge. Still, it's worth some effort imo. There are rewards to even partial success.
It's true. My last relationship was perfect. She told me how worthless I am and I actually believed her. After a while I got used to that and it was A-OK! At the end my final statement to her was "at least I never called you names". But that was really her best attribute she was very creative at name calling. Still I had to call her out.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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After about the better half 3 years of severe depression I came to the conclusion that we are indeed worthless and I changed the way I live to enjoy every moment as much as I could and not waste time being depressed. I decided to make life about having fun and doing things to set up a future of fun as well. Although this has gotten in the way of motivation to seek a full time job as I am relatively content with my current job. I would love a career though but school isn't fun :/
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we are indeed worthless
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14946792 - 08/19/11 12:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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After about the better half 3 years of severe depression I came to the conclusion that we are indeed worthless and I changed the way I live to enjoy every moment as much as I could and not waste time being depressed. I decided to make life about having fun and doing things to set up a future of fun as well. Although this has gotten in the way of motivation to seek a full time job as I am relatively content with my current job. I would love a career though but school isn't fun :/
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
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After about the better half 3 years of severe depression I came to the conclusion that we are indeed worthless and I changed the way I live to enjoy every moment as much as I could and not waste time being depressed. I decided to make life about having fun and doing things to set up a future of fun as well. Although this has gotten in the way of motivation to seek a full time job as I am relatively content with my current job. I would love a career though but school isn't fun :/
So fun is your priority yet school isn't fun and yet you are going to school and in a dead end job. Oh wait a job you are relatively content in which doesn't sound very fun. OK gotcha. I mean congrats for sure on not being depressed but when does your fun actually begin?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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No I'm not goin to school(college) yet and I am out of high school. I enjoy the company of all but a few coworkers and the actual work isn't that bad either but I could be doing better for sure
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
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Realizing that I'm worthless made me finally relax, and now life is just fun!
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: White Beard]
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ya i think the more 'worth' one feels - the more mental burden in life
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: deff]
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I agree..I need to get rid of this burden, where the fuck did it even come from? 
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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I think throughout our lives we're constantly told we're special, and to reach for the stars, and to achieve great things. I may be wrong, but that's what it seems like.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
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I agree..I need to get rid of this burden, where the fuck did it even come from?
It comes from the ego structure and relates to death anxiety imo. The ego, because it fears it's own impermanence, has to invest in it's feelings of specialness and self importance, as if, to believe it is immortal. Wouldn't you agree with Becker here Poid?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: White Beard]
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I think throughout our lives we're constantly told we're special, and to reach for the stars, and to achieve great things. I may be wrong, but that's what it seems like.
Nope you're not wrong. From the time we can understand language and learn we are pushed by the people around us to achieve something "meaningful" in their eyes to make them proud
. But then when we grow older those people around us become less adults and more of our peers and we can think for ourselves but still with the mentality of "if I make my superiors proud, I will be rewarded" maybe. Then when we become young adults and are wholly responsible for ourselves and actions all the way to a legal level we seem to break away from that mentality. At least this is my experience and assumptions so I could be way off
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
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I agree..I need to get rid of this burden, where the fuck did it even come from?
It comes from the ego structure and relates to death anxiety imo. The ego, because it fears it's own impermanence, has to invest in it's feelings of specialness and self importance, as if, to believe it is immortal. Wouldn't you agree with Becker here Poid?
Yes I do agree.
I'm just curious about what particular experiences shaped the unique character of my self-worth, if that makes any sense.
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I would think you would have to deconstruct your childhood and that would take a very, very good memory. I think you can easily make a generalized guess however.
Give it a shot. I'd start with Mater and Pater's belief system.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14947431 - 08/19/11 02:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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My memory tends to be good about some things, and shitty about others..my first memory was from when I was 2, so maybe I'll be able to recall some of the main events that molded my self-worth in my early years if I concentrate hard enough. 
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14947792 - 08/19/11 04:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I desire to keep living no matter what happens. Since I don't believe in afterlife or anything. This life is the only experience I get. So I might as well live it.
And I believe we're all basically worthless. The universe is on such a humongous scale, it wouldn't have mattered if our sun never formed and no life evolved on Earth. Or a meteor could have missed the Earth at the end of the Cretaceous and dinosaurs could still walk the Earth instead of me. And it makes no difference to the universe. Our entire galaxy wouldn't be missed if it blinked out of existence.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14948373 - 08/19/11 06:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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No I'm not goin to school(college) yet and I am out of high school. I enjoy the company of all but a few coworkers and the actual work isn't that bad either but I could be doing better for sure
Well hell you are young and doing OK. Why all the pressure? Everything seems intense at that age so I guess it is. Hell I am old the pressure is on me to have fun or else.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#14949173 - 08/19/11 09:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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My family is the cause of the pressure, mainly my mother who seems to make it a goal to mention or ask me if I decided on what I want to go to school for, or if I've looked for better jobs, and then she says I need too and I need this and not that and ect...its very frustrating sometimes
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14949476 - 08/19/11 10:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I really like living as if it's about to end. Who's to say isn't? I could end it on a whim, someone's tire could burst on the freeway and slam head-on into me, spontaneous heart attack, snake bite from my national park meanderings. And now every moment is different. THIS WORLD IS JUST A RIDE. SOMETHING is next but I doubt it's much different, it's not a salvation. Your salvation comes in accepting your mortality is a reality right now. Right now...
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: circastes]
#14949692 - 08/19/11 11:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Your salvation comes in accepting your mortality is a reality right now. Right now...
I absolutely agree.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14951507 - 08/20/11 10:17 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless?
I think if you discovered the aspects of yourself that are worthless (unreal) you may discover the aspects of yourself that are worthfull (real)
Just like the more you understand the things that cause you suffering the more you should experience happiness, the realization of one side carries with it its opposite
So although you may realize this life is utterly pointless, it may lead you to living out a more fulfilling & playful expression of it
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: The Chronic]
#14951550 - 08/20/11 10:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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While life may be pointless objectively it never is subjectively imo and experience.
Learning how to truly enjoy the experience of being alive is the only worthwhile goal imo. And by enjoying I don't mean just experiencing pleasure. Maybe adventure would be a better way to describe it.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14951753 - 08/20/11 11:39 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think its just another round of paradoxes for us really, i feel my life is ultimately meaningless but at the same time every event in my life is meaningful, as in it couldn't of happened any other way, at the same time it's happening in every way possible. I make no sense! 
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: The Chronic]
#14951780 - 08/20/11 11:46 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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aren't we all completely worthless? i mean on the macro scale. we're worth nothing to the universe, which isn't capable of placing worth on anything and is also incapable of being aware of our existence. I think it's a fun idea. if nothing fucking matters and we just live and die and it's over, well, that opens the possibilities. doesn't make me want to cease living, it makes me want to embrace existence in it's purest form and simply enjoy being.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#14951814 - 08/20/11 11:55 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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worth is always applied by an individual, so any worth that a person's life will have will be self-imputed. it really doesn't make sense to talk of "objective worth" or if we're worthwhile 'to the universe' - for as far as we know the universe isn't a conscious being that can assign value to things. this doesn't mean the opposite is true though either, that we're "worthless" to the universe, as worthlessness can only exist relative to worthwhileness, which it seems the universe has neither.
i think we get in the habit of assigning self-worth to ourselves based on our projections of what we think others think of us. by doing this, we can be on a roller coaster of high and low self-worth, at the whim of others' perceptions. i think it's more sustainable to just apply self-worth to your own value of your experience. if you enjoy experience, it has worth to you. this is slightly different than saying "you" are worthwhile, as this extraverts worth to mean the ego's value relative to something external.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: deff]
#14951837 - 08/20/11 12:00 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ok, but if the universe is incapable of passing such judgements, then assigning worth to oneself of trying to be of worth or whatever, is a useless endeavor. if it all amounts to nothing than worth is as worthless than worthlessness.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#14951878 - 08/20/11 12:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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well the universe in pieces can assign worth. we're parts of the universe and we can do it. i just mean the universe as a whole doesn't seem to be doing it as it doesn't seem to be a conscious being (maybe i'm wrong?)
i'm just saying it's probably better to assign worth internally to experience - as in if you enjoy an experience than it has worth to you - rather than try and externalize "our" worth based on relationships to other people and things, as this becomes out of our control and can swing either way. so i think people should be more independent in assigning worth to their existence, not thinking 'am i worthwhile relative to ___' or something... just some thoughts of mine
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: deff]
#14951915 - 08/20/11 12:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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i can get on board with that, but i think OP was getting at "what if others thought you were worthless" in that case "others" can kiss my ass.
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