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 Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless?  [Re: Poid]
#14946279 - 08/19/11 10:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If you hold your life subjectively pointless or worthless then you are free to experience life according to your whim and inner voice. There is no guilt or shame if nothing is of value and needs protecting. No loss in taking risks or exploring unusual projects.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14946285 - 08/19/11 10:21 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ah I see..I think I would have to agree with you.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14946295 - 08/19/11 10:26 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Of course this is a most difficult if not impossible challenge. Still, it's worth some effort imo. There are rewards to even partial success.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14946312 - 08/19/11 10:30 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Of course this is a most difficult if not impossible challenge. Still, it's worth some effort imo. There are rewards to even partial success.
It's true. My last relationship was perfect. She told me how worthless I am and I actually believed her. After a while I got used to that and it was A-OK! At the end my final statement to her was "at least I never called you names". But that was really her best attribute she was very creative at name calling. Still I had to call her out.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#14946424 - 08/19/11 11:04 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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After about the better half 3 years of severe depression I came to the conclusion that we are indeed worthless and I changed the way I live to enjoy every moment as much as I could and not waste time being depressed. I decided to make life about having fun and doing things to set up a future of fun as well. Although this has gotten in the way of motivation to seek a full time job as I am relatively content with my current job. I would love a career though but school isn't fun :/
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO] 1
#14946458 - 08/19/11 11:17 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14946792 - 08/19/11 12:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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After about the better half 3 years of severe depression I came to the conclusion that we are indeed worthless and I changed the way I live to enjoy every moment as much as I could and not waste time being depressed. I decided to make life about having fun and doing things to set up a future of fun as well. Although this has gotten in the way of motivation to seek a full time job as I am relatively content with my current job. I would love a career though but school isn't fun :/
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14946963 - 08/19/11 01:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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InTiMiDaToRdInO said:
After about the better half 3 years of severe depression I came to the conclusion that we are indeed worthless and I changed the way I live to enjoy every moment as much as I could and not waste time being depressed. I decided to make life about having fun and doing things to set up a future of fun as well. Although this has gotten in the way of motivation to seek a full time job as I am relatively content with my current job. I would love a career though but school isn't fun :/
So fun is your priority yet school isn't fun and yet you are going to school and in a dead end job. Oh wait a job you are relatively content in which doesn't sound very fun. OK gotcha. I mean congrats for sure on not being depressed but when does your fun actually begin?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#14947023 - 08/19/11 01:34 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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No I'm not goin to school(college) yet and I am out of high school. I enjoy the company of all but a few coworkers and the actual work isn't that bad either but I could be doing better for sure
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14947082 - 08/19/11 01:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Realizing that I'm worthless made me finally relax, and now life is just fun!
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: White Beard]
#14947125 - 08/19/11 01:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ya i think the more 'worth' one feels - the more mental burden in life
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: deff]
#14947213 - 08/19/11 02:10 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree..I need to get rid of this burden, where the fuck did it even come from? 
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14947242 - 08/19/11 02:14 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think throughout our lives we're constantly told we're special, and to reach for the stars, and to achieve great things. I may be wrong, but that's what it seems like.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14947367 - 08/19/11 02:35 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree..I need to get rid of this burden, where the fuck did it even come from?
It comes from the ego structure and relates to death anxiety imo. The ego, because it fears it's own impermanence, has to invest in it's feelings of specialness and self importance, as if, to believe it is immortal. Wouldn't you agree with Becker here Poid?
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: White Beard]
#14947375 - 08/19/11 02:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think throughout our lives we're constantly told we're special, and to reach for the stars, and to achieve great things. I may be wrong, but that's what it seems like.
Nope you're not wrong. From the time we can understand language and learn we are pushed by the people around us to achieve something "meaningful" in their eyes to make them proud
. But then when we grow older those people around us become less adults and more of our peers and we can think for ourselves but still with the mentality of "if I make my superiors proud, I will be rewarded" maybe. Then when we become young adults and are wholly responsible for ourselves and actions all the way to a legal level we seem to break away from that mentality. At least this is my experience and assumptions so I could be way off
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14947412 - 08/19/11 02:44 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I agree..I need to get rid of this burden, where the fuck did it even come from?
It comes from the ego structure and relates to death anxiety imo. The ego, because it fears it's own impermanence, has to invest in it's feelings of specialness and self importance, as if, to believe it is immortal. Wouldn't you agree with Becker here Poid?
Yes I do agree.
I'm just curious about what particular experiences shaped the unique character of my self-worth, if that makes any sense.
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#14947416 - 08/19/11 02:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I would think you would have to deconstruct your childhood and that would take a very, very good memory. I think you can easily make a generalized guess however.
Give it a shot. I'd start with Mater and Pater's belief system.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Icelander]
#14947431 - 08/19/11 02:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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My memory tends to be good about some things, and shitty about others..my first memory was from when I was 2, so maybe I'll be able to recall some of the main events that molded my self-worth in my early years if I concentrate hard enough. 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: Poid]
#14947792 - 08/19/11 04:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I desire to keep living no matter what happens. Since I don't believe in afterlife or anything. This life is the only experience I get. So I might as well live it.
And I believe we're all basically worthless. The universe is on such a humongous scale, it wouldn't have mattered if our sun never formed and no life evolved on Earth. Or a meteor could have missed the Earth at the end of the Cretaceous and dinosaurs could still walk the Earth instead of me. And it makes no difference to the universe. Our entire galaxy wouldn't be missed if it blinked out of existence.
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Re: Would you have the desire to continue living if you discovered that you're completely worthless? [Re: InTiMiDaToRdInO]
#14948373 - 08/19/11 06:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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No I'm not goin to school(college) yet and I am out of high school. I enjoy the company of all but a few coworkers and the actual work isn't that bad either but I could be doing better for sure
Well hell you are young and doing OK. Why all the pressure? Everything seems intense at that age so I guess it is. Hell I am old the pressure is on me to have fun or else.
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