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 airclay
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what's the difference, to OP, in enlightenment and nirvana?
...not the band from the 90's 
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Congratulations. What was it like physically?
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I remember when I believed in meaning
Those days aside the hilltop where the sunlight sky and meadows below spoke promises of eternal future
And I remember the day the world turned on me, how frightened I was and the idiotic surprise I was met with
I should've known!
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LunarEclipse
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 Re: I'm enlightened  [Re: airclay]
#14919845 - 08/14/11 10:51 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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airclay said:
what's the difference, to OP, in enlightenment and nirvana?
...not the band from the 90's
not the overrated band that everyone thought was great? at least they got this title right, this song really Blew.
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JackofSpades
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this thread makes me 
Life can certainly feel that way. The things we look for and expect to find on our path become elusive or never materialize and the things we don't imagine or resist being of value on our quest can become the touchstone of our awakening. Very freaky shit.
Agreed. My confusion came because you typically put down the ideas of spirituality and now here you are claiming to have found enlightenment. I initially thought you were just fucking around but if you are in a good place of understanding and peace then thats cool. What was the key to opening the door?
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  If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
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Icelander
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: airclay]
#14920338 - 08/14/11 01:32 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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airclay said:
what's the difference, to OP, in enlightenment and nirvana?
...not the band from the 90's
The difference imo is the knowing that everything is beyond comprehending yet continuing to accept everything as it appears. It's in the awareness of cause and effect, and in being instead of trying to be. One recognizes the trying as a blockage in the system. Then all things are dealt with as they appear and without attachment or attachment to being unattached. A natural neutrality develops.
Nirvana is how it feels to get good at this.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
Edited by Icelander (08/14/11 01:32 PM)
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Icelander
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JackofSpades said:
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Icelander said:
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JackofSpades said:
this thread makes me
Life can certainly feel that way. The things we look for and expect to find on our path become elusive or never materialize and the things we don't imagine or resist being of value on our quest can become the touchstone of our awakening. Very freaky shit.
Agreed. My confusion came because you typically put down the ideas of spirituality and now here you are claiming to have found enlightenment. I initially thought you were just fucking around but if you are in a good place of understanding and peace then thats cool. What was the key to opening the door?
My facing my death anxieties, my fear of impemanence.
To me spirituality is tied up with a lot of the same things that most human endeavors are and many people just crate religions around the unknown.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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It's in the awareness of cause and effect, and in being instead of trying to be. One recognizes the trying as a blockage in the system.
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don_vedo
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And it feels so damn good! Glad you made it brother, I was skeptical of the post when I first saw it; having read through, I now believe you are a completely different man... funny thing is nothing has changed!
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: don_vedo]
#14920650 - 08/14/11 02:32 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Nothing had changed but the focus.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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deff
just relax
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is there a glimmer in your eye now?
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LunarEclipse
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Nothing had changed but the focus.
Wow. For a second there I realized that you were actually serious about becoming enlightened.
You almost had me, ya sly old fox!
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Satyapriya
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According to what definition are you enlightened? Just wondering what you define it as, and how much stock you put in the term itself. 
Glad you're happy and stuff of course, but how do you know its not just getting out of the pitfalls, or the end of a depression or something, or the start of another "peak experience".
According to my definition I'm enlightened.
well would you mind sharing your definition of enlightenment with us Icelander?
And are you going to use your realization to help create a better world? Or are you just going to take off to the higher realms and leave us all behind... 
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There is no spoon. Is this what you're telling us?
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Icelander
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I already have here.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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roboto212
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How has the intensity of your suffering changed since your enlightenment.
What drove you to come forward about your enlightenment?
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EternalCowabunga
Small sassy black girl
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What the hell is going on in this thread??
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deff
just relax
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: Icelander] 2
#14921204 - 08/14/11 04:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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just don't think there's actually someone who's enlightened, or someone who 'owns' the awareness - as this will continue to cause suffering
like the diamond sutra says...
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Subhuti, what do you think? Does a holy one say within himself: I have obtained Perfective Enlightenment?
Subhuti said: No, World-honored One. Wherefore? Because there is no such condition as that called "Perfective Enlightenment." World-honored one, if a holy one of Perfective Enlightenment said to himself "such am I," he would necessarily partake of the idea of an ego-entity, a personality, a being, or a separated individuality. World honored One, when the Buddha declares that I excel amongst holy men in the Yoga of perfect quiescence, in dwelling in seclusion, and in freedom from passions, I do not say within myself: I am a holy one of Perfective Enlightenment, free from passions. World-honored One, if I said within myself: Such am I; you would not declare: Subhuti finds happiness abiding in peace, in seclusion in the midst of the forest. This is because Subhuti abides nowhere: therefore he is called, "Subhuti, Joyful Abider-in-Peace, Dweller-in- Seclusion-in-the-Forest."
i'm sure you know this though 
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Seanfu
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I cant believe it took you all so long to realise the sarcasm.
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FishOilTheKid
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: Seanfu]
#14921252 - 08/14/11 05:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander
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How has the intensity of your suffering changed since your enlightenment.
What drove you to come forward about your enlightenment?
Much less suffering, lifelong chronic low grade depression seems to be gone.
I came forward because I wanted to post something personal. I actually had no plan to do it right now, it just came out.
Actually I stated this before awhile ago and no one took it seriously. Don't know what's different now?
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