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 giza
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 Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation 
#14742592 - 07/09/11 10:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Death-
Anyone ever entertain the possibility that death is just you wanting to re-create yourself?
Like in a video game you create a character and play that character for so long then you get bored so you create a new one to play with.
Problem with Reincarnation-
If reincarnation was to be proven I believe a problem would arise with murder, their excuse would be "Well, since they reincarnate I didn't really "kill" them?"
Edited by giza (07/09/11 10:10 PM)
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14742662 - 07/09/11 10:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Certainly as I decay I'd be better off recreating myself fresh and new. But why create myself as something that loses its abilities in the first place? Video game characters always get stronger/more capable. Humans seem to work in an opposite way.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Kickle]
#14742723 - 07/09/11 10:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Time will tell. I believe I am progressing rather nicely.
Humans are progressing also, look at the mindset of the people in the early 1900's, they had less help with their imagination, nowadays there's television/movies that help one's imagination to grow.
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why create myself as something that loses its abilities in the first place?
What abilities do you mean?
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14742791 - 07/09/11 11:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Physical and mental abilities fade to varying degrees over time. Physical abilities meaning flexibility, endurance, strength, rejuvenation, hearing, sight, etc. Mental abilities meaning memory, speed of processing, ability to learn, and in the cases of strokes/alzheimers just about everything we think of as "human". The ability to speak, the ability to move basic limbs, the ability to remember anything at all, the ability to recognize emotions in speech, the ability to recognize emotions on faces, the ability to moderate behavior appropriately (such as not making sexual advances in inappropriate settings), etc. etc. etc.
We humans decay and lose what we're capable of when we're younger. Some more than others.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Kickle]
#14742822 - 07/09/11 11:13 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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There must be a reason for all that.
Is our brain capable of handling everything we experience in dreams as well with reality? Or does our memory have a limited capacity. Is dwelling in the past taking up space? Like past memories instead of letting go of them we hold on to them, which would use up precious space if we are limited.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14742942 - 07/09/11 11:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14744544 - 07/10/11 11:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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giza said:
Problem with Reincarnation-
If reincarnation was to be proven I believe a problem would arise with murder, their excuse would be "Well, since they reincarnate I didn't really "kill" them?"
Except with reincarnation you have to take Karma into account. Sure you could kill someone, but you'll have to pay for that in some nasty way in this or your next incarnation...what goes around, comes around. And what you get may be worse that what you gave, especially if you did it consciously...
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Saidin]
#14744638 - 07/10/11 12:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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One can believe in reincarnation without believing in karma.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Kickle]
#14744829 - 07/10/11 12:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
Certainly as I decay I'd be better off recreating myself fresh and new. But why create myself as something that loses its abilities in the first place? Video game characters always get stronger/more capable. Humans seem to work in an opposite way.
in WoW you can just reroll a new character, reincarnation is sorta like that. I certainly think death represents the soul destroying itself and reforming itself in order to evolve.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Saidin]
#14745244 - 07/10/11 02:27 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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giza said:
Problem with Reincarnation-
If reincarnation was to be proven I believe a problem would arise with murder, their excuse would be "Well, since they reincarnate I didn't really "kill" them?"
Except with reincarnation you have to take Karma into account. Sure you could kill someone, but you'll have to pay for that in some nasty way in this or your next incarnation...what goes around, comes around. And what you get may be worse that what you gave, especially if you did it consciously...
Yes, I believe most the suffering in the world is because of this, but the thing is I really do not know what true law is yet, I have a few ideas though.
I believe where you come out through birth is also determined by your mistakes or what you did well. Makes sense.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14745320 - 07/10/11 02:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Karma is the opposite of what Jesus taught isn't it? Jesus taught turn the other cheek while karma is more 'eye for eye'. Which would make sense why karma would work better than what Jesus taught. Jesus let's them get away with it while karma doesn't, so karma would be a lot more effective, IMO.
One of my bigger questions is that if there is no being or spirit that punishes for bad karma wouldn't that mean we should take it into our hands? So that others don't get away with it. Most humans if they can get away with it once they're more likely to try it again.
So do you believe we have the power to punish those for bad karma?
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14745808 - 07/10/11 04:16 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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karma to me means that you get out what you put in
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14745816 - 07/10/11 04:18 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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gize, first off you're implying that theres 'objective moral standards'. I don't believe in this at all. So when you say 'bad' karma, you pretty much sound like a fool to me. Although in my personal philosophy, I would never want to harm/kill another human being, but it happens every day and were not the only species that murders its own kind.
also, lol @ you quoting yourself in your sig  I guess I was right when I said you were on a high horse
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: foliocb]
#14746006 - 07/10/11 04:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone else?
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14746074 - 07/10/11 04:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hi i'm giza and i'm afraid of death 
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: foliocb]
#14746383 - 07/10/11 05:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Oh my bad, I was under the assumption that interest and fear were two different things. I totally didn't realize that they are the exact same. Sorry and please bare with me, I'm a little slow in the head. 
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: foliocb]
#14746664 - 07/10/11 06:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hi i'm giza and i'm afraid of death
you're probably pretty afraid of your body terminating as well if i had to guess.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#14746805 - 07/10/11 07:21 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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giza said:
Oh my bad, I was under the assumption that interest and fear were two different things. I totally didn't realize that they are the exact same. Sorry and please bare with me, I'm a little slow in the head.
Oh yeah, that explains why in your sig you quoted yourself saying "Death anxiety is an insult, doesnt apply to all."
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foliocb said:
Hi i'm giza and i'm afraid of death
you're probably pretty afraid of your body terminating as well if i had to guess.
Yup, we all are. But ya see, I don't put such quotes like that in my sig to make it look like i'm not, when in reality, deep down inside, I am and would be willing to make myself look like a fool on a forum to try and convince myself that i'm not.
edit: looks like he took it out of his sig, maybe he can start admitting that he is afraid of death just like everyone else and get off his high horse? we'll see i guess. Devils advocate is a fun role to play 
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Edited by foliocb (07/10/11 07:23 PM)
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: foliocb]
#14747320 - 07/10/11 08:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Problem with Reincarnation-
If reincarnation was to be proven I believe a problem would arise with murder, their excuse would be "Well, since they reincarnate I didn't really "kill" them?"
You still rip them out of this world. They lose all the information they know in this life and are seperated from their family friends. It will always be a terrible violation.. its not your body why should you get to destroy it.
The body gives you an opportunity to exhaust experiences which you must undergo to evolve spiritually.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14777517 - 07/16/11 03:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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giza said:
One of my bigger questions is that if there is no being or spirit that punishes for bad karma wouldn't that mean we should take it into our hands? So that others don't get away with it. Most humans if they can get away with it once they're more likely to try it again.
So do you believe we have the power to punish those for bad karma?
Nobody punishes us nor do we punish others...we punish ourselves. When you do your life review, those injustices you perpetuated upon others you take on yourself as a limitation in a future lifetime.
For instance, if you were an Inquisitor during medieval times and had a job of poking people's eyes out, chances are in the next lifetime you would be blind in order to "pay" for that which you did to others. No one/thing forces this upon you, you choose to take it on yourself in order to balance your spirit and continue your evolution.
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What, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this...
Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
Find
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-Sri Aubobindo
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Saidin]
#14777866 - 07/16/11 05:10 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Oops, misread.
Edited by giza (07/16/11 05:11 PM)
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14778377 - 07/16/11 07:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Assuming that reality at its foundation has conscious properties (god).
Reincarnation could simply be the process of a secondary consciousness merging with the primary or the whole and then constructed into something else with no real trace of who or what it came from. Or perhaps upon death there would still be a seperation (something like frequency?) that would prevent that.
I don't think think karma is likely, maybe direction upon reflection of ones true existance would have a similar effect. I always thought an actual judgement system was a bit too religiousy for my tastes. Even with the possibility of freewill existing outside of the uncontrollable circumstances one is born into, I think if anything it would be more about advancement then punishment for past life actions.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: giza]
#14783298 - 07/17/11 09:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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giza said:
Karma is the opposite of what Jesus taught isn't it? Jesus taught turn the other cheek while karma is more 'eye for eye'. Which would make sense why karma would work better than what Jesus taught. Jesus let's them get away with it while karma doesn't, so karma would be a lot more effective, IMO.
One of my bigger questions is that if there is no being or spirit that punishes for bad karma wouldn't that mean we should take it into our hands? So that others don't get away with it. Most humans if they can get away with it once they're more likely to try it again.
So do you believe we have the power to punish those for bad karma?
There's a time for both. Sometimes you do battle with those opposing forces, sometimes you let things be.
This is the type of thing that a lot of spiritual people get caught up on. The Ocean of Illusion is often what it's referred to. You need your guide to make to the other side!
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: Sinix11]
#14783366 - 07/17/11 10:09 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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IMO, there's potential to get past all that.
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Re: Death possibility/ Problem with Reincarnation [Re: wondercat]
#14783410 - 07/17/11 10:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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There sure is.
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