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[AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem
    #14723793 - 07/06/11 03:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem
July 5, 2011 - abc15.com



There’s a new natural substance just about anyone can buy in stores across the nation, including the Valley, that doctors say can be more addictive and dangerous than some illegal drugs.

It’s a substance many young people are taking and substance abuse experts say it can be more difficult to get off of than heroin.

It’s called Kratom. It’s from the leaf of a tree grown in Southeast Asia and it’s legal in the United States.

We found a simple online search reveals there are Phoenix businesses that openly sell Kratom and dozens of others that sell it over the Internet.

It may not be illegal, but some say it is certainly concerning.

Michelle Tesarek ordered a drink that contained Kratom earlier this year hoping it would help her relax.

“Something that I thought was just going to be a good time, ended up making me sick,” said Michelle.

"They just said ‘Try this, it gives you a euphoric feeling,'” she said.

Michelle said she didn’t know at the time that it can be highly addictive and has been banned in a handful of countries. She soon began to realize why.

“In one instance, I had to actually pull over, because it was just way too much of an intense feeling for me,” Michelle said.

“I knew I was hooked on it, when I was given the medicine to block it and I still wanted it anyways to see if I could still get that feeling back because I missed it,” she explained.

We found the Drug Enforcement Administration has been tracking many Kratom shipments and conducted many studies on the plant.

It wasn’t until Michelle went to a clinic that specializes in substance abuse that she realized how dangerous Kratom can really be.

“I have treated patients who prefer Kratom to heroin,” said Dr. Robert Moran of the Wellington Retreat.

Moran treated Michelle and said the substance can have opiate-type effects for some people if taken in certain doses.

"It's quite frightening because most people who are introduced to it have no idea what the potential danger is,” said Moran.

In fact, Moran prescribed the same medication to wean Michelle off Kratom as he would prescribe to someone addicted to heroin. “They think that because it's not illegal, it's safe,” he said.

Dr. Raul Rodriguez has seen more than 100 patients over the past year due to problems associated with Kratom use.

“The worst one is actually Kratom leaf, that is the one that will get them hooked physically worse than any of the other ones,” said Rodriguez.

For Michelle, it caused so many problems she checked herself into a rehab facility for a month.

"Everybody thought it was the silliest thing to check myself into treatment for... but at the same time, I was scared to death,” said Michelle.

Kratom is a big substance in the rehab community. Doctors said many people are taking it as a substitute for drugs like heroin or oxycodone. It does not show up on a drug test. Many doctors are now trying to get the drug banned.

Some reports show Kratom has a chemical structure similar to a psychedelic drug.  Its been reported that it can act as a stimulant in low doses and sedative in high doses.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: skatealex2]
    #14723851 - 07/06/11 03:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

What was she doing driving on it in the first place? Dumb bitch


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: skatealex2]
    #14723860 - 07/06/11 03:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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There’s a new natural substance




No it isn't new, you are just slow.

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It’s a substance many young people are taking and substance abuse experts say it can be more difficult to get off of than heroin.





Who gives a fuck if young people are doing it? I seriously doubt it's harder to quit than heroin. In fact, are there any heroin users on the board who prefer kratom to H? I have never heard that before.

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The worst one is actually Kratom leaf,




As opposed to what, the Kratom scrotum? Where the fuck do they think the substance comes from? It comes from a leaf one way or the other.

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Some reports show Kratom has a chemical structure similar to a psychedelic drug.  Its been reported that it can act as a stimulant in low doses and sedative in high doses.




AKA this reporter has a learning disability. This is like identical shit to stupid bath salt articles that say "It causes the effects of cocaine, ecstasy, LSD, and rabies all in one."


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #14723887 - 07/06/11 03:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

the DEA is tracking kratom trade? LOL

30 thousand dlls per pacient on rehab ?
of course ill say kratom is worst than heroin on tv,for 30
ill punch a cop in the face too :smile:


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14723890 - 07/06/11 03:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

all the shit they said in this could be applied to tobacco...natural addictive substance. and I bet cigarretes are more addicting than this shit, though ive never tried it.

I really wish I could talk to these fucks and say "cant all this be said about tobacco and alcohol?"


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14723897 - 07/06/11 03:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

That woman they're showing is a complete moron. She looks like a ditzy, loud-mouthed bimbo.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14724037 - 07/06/11 05:04 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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"they think because it's legal, it's safe"




Hmm, i wonder what those big red letters are on every website that says "NOT INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION". Also drink bleach, it's legal.

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The worst one is actually Kratom leaf, that is the one that will get them hooked physically worse than any of the other ones




:yuno: Y U NO USE NOUNS

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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #14724212 - 07/06/11 07:08 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

This is bollocks.

Why don't they talk shit about tea and coffee instead.  Cunts.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #14724378 - 07/06/11 08:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

lol imagine her on opiates


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #14724412 - 07/06/11 08:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:




Wow.what a misinformed article.

This is sad.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #14724454 - 07/06/11 09:14 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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“I knew I was hooked on it, when I was given the medicine to block it and I still wanted it anyways to see if I could still get that feeling back because I missed it,” she explained.





Get off the demon kratom, child, with the help of this goodly suboxone

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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #14724526 - 07/06/11 09:37 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I thought reporters were not supposed to be dumbasses :dumbass:


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14724563 - 07/06/11 09:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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It’s a substance many young people are taking and substance abuse experts say it can be more difficult to get off of than heroin.





Who gives a fuck if young people are doing it? I seriously doubt it's harder to quit than heroin. In fact, are there any heroin users on the board who prefer kratom to H? I have never heard that before.




Having abused oxy and heroin for a year, I much prefer kratom now, as I don't need to deal with shady dealers/runners, it's far cheaper, it actually has some beneficial health effects, I don't have to worry about OD'ing and dying, and because it's MUCH EASIER TO USE RESPONSIBLY ON THE WEEKEND INSTEAD OF EVERY GODDAMN DAY

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Some reports show Kratom has a chemical structure similar to a psychedelic drug.  Its been reported that it can act as a stimulant in low doses and sedative in high doses.




tryptamine is all


BTW, from the highly biased Rehab clinic that this, "news", is advertising
http://www.newbeginningsdetox.com/kratomdetox.shtml

What is in kratom?

Over 25 alkaloids have been identified in kratom leaves

Active Chemicals in Kratom
Ajmalicine (Raubasine) Cerebrocirculant, antiaggregant, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1), sedative, anticonvulsant, smooth muscle relaxer
Corynantheidine Opioid antagonist
Corynoxeine Calcium channel blocker
Corynoxine A and B Dopamine mediating anti-locomotives
(-)-Epicatechin Antioxidant, antiaggregant, antibacterial, antidiabetic, antihepatitic, anti-inflammatory, anti-leukemic, antimutagenic, antiperoxidant, antiviral, cancer preventative, alpha-amylase inhibitor
9-Hydroxycorynantheidine Partial opioid agonist
7-Hydroxymitragynine Analgesic, antitussive, antidiarrheal; primary psychoactive in kratom
Isomitraphylline Immunostimulant, anti-leukemic
Isopteropodine Immunostimulant
Mitragynine Analgesic, antitussive, antidiarrheal, adrenergic, antimalarial, possible psychedelic (5-HT2A) antagonist
Mitraphylline Vasodilator, antihypertensive, muscle relaxer, diuretic, anti-amnesic, possible immunostimulant
Paynantheine Smooth muscle relaxer
Rhynchophylline Vasodilator, antihypertensive, calcium channel blocker, antiaggregant, anti-inflammatory, antipyretic, anti-arrhythmic, antithelmintic
Speciociliatine Weak opioid agonist
Speciogynine Smooth muscle relaxer
Speciophylline Anti-leukemic
Tetrahydroalstonine Hypoglycemic, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-2)


doesn't that just sound so unhealthy and dangerous?


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: DrMambo]
    #14724681 - 07/06/11 10:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

You have got to be kidding me? Can't believe they are going after Kratom now just because some brainless bimbo thinks, if you can call it thinking, that she has an addiction to it.  You can become addicted to anything, video games, car driving, drinking coffeee, eating candy, chocolate, masturbation, sex, jogging, hockey, basketball, sports, healthy eating, vegetables, computers.  Just because someone is addicted to something does not make it wrong and just because it's a drug does not necessarily make the effects worse.  ABC really must be run by the federal government drug hounds and big pharma as they go after every single inexpensive natural drug that exists.  After falling down the stairs and nearly breaking my neck I was prescribed Percocet but decided to use Kratom for pain relief instead.  It worked faster and better than the Percocet and I felt much healthier the day after, with the Percocet I had a much stronger urge to take an increased dose the next day.  Big pharma really doesn't give a crap if the drugs they push are addictive, harmful or abused, all they care about is that people buy them.  I can get a pound of excellent quality Kratom for about $80 that lasts me a year with moderate use, 1-3 times a week yet.  I have never felt any addiction to Kratom even on times where I decide to use it for an entire week at a time I still easily can go several weeks and more at a time not using it with zero symptoms of withdrawal.  Miley got the Salvia band wagon moving fast, now some nameless bimbo is going to do the same for Kratom.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: DrMambo]
    #14724708 - 07/06/11 10:58 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

yeah that sounds horrible why would anyone want anything thats anticancer. everyone knows its better to take drugs the goverment consents too those are the healthy ones :P


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: digitalemu]
    #14724780 - 07/06/11 11:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yo digitalemu,

Might I respectfully suggest that you break your words up into paragraphs or even just a few free floating sentences?

It's a lot easier to read and follow that way.

Anyway, I don't think this'll be too big of an issue. With research chemicals pulling most of the limelight, and the fact the poppy pods are still legal (despite being far stronger and actually capable of causing deadly OD), I think this little coverage is gonna get swept under the rug pretty quick.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: digitalemu]
    #14724810 - 07/06/11 11:24 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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digitalemu said:
You have got to be kidding me? Can't believe they are going after Kratom now just because some brainless bimbo thinks, if you can call it thinking, that she has an addiction to it.



Well you can become physically addicted to it. You just have to be a dumbass and take it every day.

I love Kratom but at the 4th hour I can't move or I get horribly sick. If I sit back down, everything is fine again. Annoying. Meanwhile my girlfriend gets to continue jumping around the house.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean] * 2
    #14724896 - 07/06/11 11:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

When my local television station was doing horrid drug pieces I decieded I had to do something. What I did, was write a bunch of letters from phoney folks saying that their sensational pieces exaccerbate the problem of drugs by encouraging use and that they are going to stop watching and write the shows sponsors as well. Since then, I have not seen as many drug hit pieces on my local news.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14724992 - 07/06/11 12:22 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

we need to get them to do some fake drug pieces

like jenkem, but easier to swallow


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: DrMambo]
    #14725012 - 07/06/11 12:27 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Thats a great idea as well.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14725122 - 07/06/11 12:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Total bullshit.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: Darwin23]
    #14725136 - 07/06/11 01:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Kratom actually helps kick heroin habits...and damn, they're just banning everything these days.

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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: Darwin23]
    #14725176 - 07/06/11 01:09 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I'll ban you!


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: nomadjames]
    #15275055 - 10/25/11 09:41 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Bump:

Before you assume kratom is okay, read my post about what I'm going through these last couple of days.

"Kratom Psychosis?"

Kratom has psychedelic properties.

There is a thing called Kratom psychosis, and it sucks.

Maybe I have it, maybe its something else...

But Kratom has definately effected my life in a negative way...

not immediatley, but habitual use seems to be dangerous.

This is just my opinion from personal experience, so please don't flame me.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: UberDeepName]
    #15275067 - 10/25/11 09:48 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Quote:

UberDeepName said:
Bump:

Before you assume kratom is okay, read my post about what I'm going through these last couple of days.

"Kratom Psychosis?"

Kratom has psychedelic properties.

There is a thing called Kratom psychosis, and it sucks.

Maybe I have it, maybe its something else...

But Kratom has definately effected my life in a negative way...

not immediatley, but habitual use seems to be dangerous.

This is just my opinion from personal experience, so please don't flame me.




Not everyone loses their shit after a couple drug binges. Maybe it's people like you t he government makes laws to protect ya'll from yourselves.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: UberDeepName]
    #15275167 - 10/25/11 10:34 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Quote:

UberDeepName said:
Bump:

Before you assume kratom is okay, read my post about what I'm going through these last couple of days.

"Kratom Psychosis?"

Kratom has psychedelic properties.

There is a thing called Kratom psychosis, and it sucks.

Maybe I have it, maybe its something else...

But Kratom has definately effected my life in a negative way...

not immediatley, but habitual use seems to be dangerous.

This is just my opinion from personal experience, so please don't flame me.




:orry:

its the kratom's fault ?


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #15275168 - 10/25/11 10:35 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Wow~ This article is so completely retarded and misinformed, it almost doesn't seem real.. Wake me up from this world plz, thx.  :tard: :uhno:


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: veggie]
    #15275691 - 10/25/11 12:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Michelle Tesarek ordered a drink that contained Kratom earlier this year hoping it would help her relax.

“Something that I thought was just going to be a good time, ended up making me sick,” said Michelle.

"They just said ‘Try this, it gives you a euphoric feeling,'” she said.

Michelle said she didn’t know at the time that it can be highly addictive and has been banned in a handful of countries. She soon began to realize why.

“In one instance, I had to actually pull over, because it was just way too much of an intense feeling for me,” Michelle said.

“I knew I was hooked on it, when I was given the medicine to block it and I still wanted it anyways to see if I could still get that feeling back because I missed it,” she explained.





Michelle said, "Kratom made me very sick, so I knew I had to try more because I hate feeling good. In fact, I hate my very existence - and so should you!"


I have started a petition to the Obama Administration and all of you should follow suit in your respecetive countries. In it, I ask our government to just make every single plant besides corn, apples, tomatoes, roses, oak trees and lawn grass, to be illegal thus solving our drug problem once and for all.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15278914 - 10/26/11 12:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

NO SHIT THEY PREFER KRATOM TO HEROIN! Who wouldn't?

What a dumb bitch. Whoring herself out to the media after she fucks up her own life.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
    #15280447 - 10/26/11 12:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Flood the link given on the comments page with pro-kratom answers and ridicule the abcnews in az for giving such a negative report.


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Re: [AZ] Natural substance 'Kratom' becoming a growing problem [Re: dshow]
    #15280450 - 10/26/11 12:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

gosh damn this is sooo old. some of the comments are new i think...


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