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 FunkMasterShroom
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 Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized?  [Re: zappaisgod]
#14631807 - 06/18/11 04:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Addiction is a choice.
There is no point in me trying to show you otherwise, you seem perfectly set in your ways.
Once again though...
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I told you I wasn't blind.
That is like saying you never lie, or that you don't pick your nose..
It's nonesense..
They all happen at times.. (blindness, lies, nose picking)
You may indeed have eye's to see, but the filter your mind places over them is clearly demonstrated in your posts.
Sadly- Free will is something I believe in, but it is something we don't really have.. Because we all do make choices and can only make choices within the contraints of our Environment, and Awareness- and Inparticular, if we are unaware of an option, that choice isnt available, and there is no Freedom in that..
If what you say is True, things like Manipulation wouldnt exist.
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It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
#14632340 - 06/18/11 07:41 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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FunkMasterShroom said:
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Addiction is a choice.
There is no point in me trying to show you otherwise, you seem perfectly set in your ways.
I once had a major freebase addiction.
It was a choice. No-one forced me to freebase.
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FunkMasterShroom
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14634088 - 06/18/11 04:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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It was a choice. No-one forced me to freebase.
was it your free choice to become addicted to the substance? Or just to try it?
Why and how do so many people feel addiction wasnt a choice- Sure, smoking the shit was a choice, getting fucked was a choice- But pregnancy can happen even with extensive precaution- Same goes for addiction- People are born and raised with/into different addictive potentials.
Where you able to just stop cold Turkey?
I still suffer to this day from my addictions..
We all make choices in Life- But an addiction is Specifically an Addiction, because it is uncontrollably compulsive. If you could have quite freebasing at any moment, so easily, with a simple choice- Then were you really addicted, or just habitualized?
Many addictions take lifetimes to recover from..
When one is able to free themselves from addiction- It is because of the awareness of their Will to do so. Without this awareness, there is no Choice.. The delemma of Free Will is still undefinable and inconclusive anyway- Because the World is Deterministic, and Undeterministic simaltaneously. Not everyone shares the same Responsability (ability to respond).
Idono, this is silly to debate for me(off topic anyway)- You don't know what you're talking about, that's all there is to it. And in all apparentness, you feel the same way about me.. So <shrugs>
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Why did the chicken cross the road?
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"Adapt.
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Accommodate."
"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks
It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
#14637197 - 06/19/11 12:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I'm asking a few of the guys what their take is on the Brotherhood.
Will get back to this thread with their responses.
So far the sentiment sounds like all is lost to political games and paychecks.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Dystopia]
#14637959 - 06/19/11 04:03 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Brotherhood of the fire department? Mainly, it depends on where you are at and what house your in. Some houses are great and are deeply rooted in tradition. Others, are lost in politics. The old school traditions and feelings of brotherhood are going out the window. Sad to see. It does still exist though.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
#14639382 - 06/19/11 09:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Family Friend said:
The tradition of the fire service has been lost... in my opinion. [My area] is doing this right now. They eliminated the CPAT test and ran their own agility test.
I volunteered and demo'd this test and had the fastest time of 1.15 minutes.
They gave [a new group] 3 minutes to do it. This run was age and gender based.
This was in an effort to get more women on the job.
WOMEN ARE USELESS in this profession. I mean there are some burly bitches that can put guys to shame, but they are few and far between.
Privatization wouldn't be a bad thing because it would have stricter requirements but would also have to meet affirmative blacktion standards and equal opportunity handouts for women and minorities. The people that fill quotas would have to at least be good at their job to get it.
It would make it harder to get the political hook up that most of these assholes have... and are protected by.
In the next upcoming class there are 4 white men, 5 mixed race women, and 30 minorities.
So to answer the question, I think the brotherhood is falling apart, and guys care only about a paycheck.
It's sad to see.
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I look at these young guys and they're skin and bone. I've been on the job longer than they've been alive.
They have some connection to each other but most of these guys don't have the heart. It's a paycheck, insurance and pension.
The last group of kids that came in were allowed to fail the test three times. One kid was allowed a fourth claiming he was bad at taking tests. He can't even connect a hose and has failed CPR certification many times.
Someone who can't perform CPR, basic job functions, or take an exam got this job. Nobody can sit there and tell me 24 white guys in the room did worse than this guy on the test the first time it was given.
This isn't the profession it was when [your grandpa] was alive or when I was young. It has gotten a lot worse and we've seen more people dying in fires.
More structures are failing. These things are constructed better. You're not dealing with a building from the 1940s anymore.
It's sad to say but I'm glad I'm retiring. Never thought I'd say it. Figured I'd be doing this until I die like your grandfather did.
I can't say I don't love firefighting any more but I can say that I don't like the firefighters coming in. They're putting themselves at risk and putting veterans in danger.
It takes a lot less skill to get this job now, not less skill to do this job now.
I also don't need some 23 year old broad telling me how to do a job I've been doing for almost 40 years.
It's a bad time of the year to be saying this [Dystopia], but one thing [your brother] doesn't have to see is how sad this has become. He was about teamwork, loving the job, and saving peoples' lives.
I can't say that half of these guys feel that way.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Dystopia]
#14641948 - 06/20/11 11:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, while their language was coarse they are correct.
"WOMEN ARE USELESS in this profession. I mean there are some burly bitches that can put guys to shame, but they are few and far between.
Privatization wouldn't be a bad thing because it would have stricter requirements but would also have to meet affirmative blacktion standards and equal opportunity handouts for women and minorities. The people that fill quotas would have to at least be good at their job to get it.
"The last group of kids that came in were allowed to fail the test three times. One kid was allowed a fourth claiming he was bad at taking tests. He can't even connect a hose and has failed CPR certification many times.
Someone who can't perform CPR, basic job functions, or take an exam got this job. Nobody can sit there and tell me 24 white guys in the room did worse than this guy on the test the first time it was given."
Reason you see language like this is because the guys are getting fed up with the bullshit. Most qualified person should get the job and usually, when they put that kind of effort in they are all about the department and the brotherhood. As far as women, most cannot do the job due to the extreme physical stress. Their are women out there who can do it though. I've seen alot of great female paramedic's, firefighters not so much. As far as quotas, I don't give a fuck what color you are. Departments seem to be fostering racism because of their policy. They put people in danger just so they can say they have such and such amount of a certain race. Just do your job correctly, join this career for the right reasons, and don't expect handouts because your particular color happens to be receiving sympathy.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Dystopia]
#14641954 - 06/20/11 11:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you for your time, dystopia.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
#14662497 - 06/23/11 11:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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It depends on how you look at it. If you're a libertarian your main concern is liberty and that the government doesn't fuck with your money.
If you're a socialist your main concern is the poor.
Personally, I'm more of a socialist. I think it's really fucked up to let someone's house burn down because they can't afford to pay. You might argue they're poor because they're losers so it doesn't really matter, but what about their kids? We should just say "fuck them, it's luck of the draw and they got screwed"?
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Darwin23]
#14664278 - 06/24/11 10:23 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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No, it is fucked to let someones house burn down, what I am talking about is a privatized system that it brought under contract. Not a private system that you have to go and buy protection individually. Problem I see with people in poor areas, is the abuse of the EMS system. Unfortunately, most of these people can't afford health care or can't get the coverage they need so they call 911 expecting to be examined as if they were at a doctors office. This costs the taxpayer 1200 dollars per call and I see at least 3 of them every shift. Citywide and nationwide it adds up. Also, main problem I was discussing in this thread is preferential hiring based on skin color, not on skill. That is the main reason I want a private system.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Darwin23]
#14664472 - 06/24/11 11:36 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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If you're a socialist your main concern is the poor.
 If you're a socialsit it is either because you want something for nothing or you want to control who gets what. Power or bummitude. Could even be both.Quote:
Personally, I'm more of a socialist. I think it's really fucked up to let someone's house burn down because they can't afford to pay. You might argue they're poor because they're losers so it doesn't really matter, but what about their kids? We should just say "fuck them, it's luck of the draw and they got screwed"?
You don't have to be a socialist to support community fire protection.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14664862 - 06/24/11 01:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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If you're a socialsit it is either because you want something for nothing or you want to control who gets what. Power or bummitude. Could even be both.
Yes, I'm sure you're an expert on why I believe the things I do. I don't want something for nothing. I'm just for offering everyone an equal opportunity. I work hard. I'm not asking for handouts from the government, but it doesn't matter because you'll never believe me anyway.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Darwin23]
#14665013 - 06/24/11 01:31 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Darwin23 said:
It depends on how you look at it. If you're a libertarian your main concern is liberty and that the government doesn't fuck with your money.
If you're a socialist your main concern is the poor.
Personally, I'm more of a socialist. I think it's really fucked up to let someone's house burn down because they can't afford to pay. You might argue they're poor because they're losers so it doesn't really matter, but what about their kids? We should just say "fuck them, it's luck of the draw and they got screwed"?
Isn't this exactly how nature has set this up Mr. Darwin?
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Darwin23]
#14665022 - 06/24/11 01:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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If you're a socialsit it is either because you want something for nothing or you want to control who gets what. Power or bummitude. Could even be both.
Yes, I'm sure you're an expert on why I believe the things I do. I don't want something for nothing. I'm just for offering everyone an equal opportunity. I work hard. I'm not asking for handouts from the government, but it doesn't matter because you'll never believe me anyway.
You get a lot for nothing already, unless you are in the top 15% or so. And what do you mean by offering everybody an equal opportunity?
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
#14683842 - 06/28/11 03:07 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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love2shpongleIRL said:
The city hires uneducated people by dumbing down the testing just to fill minority quotas.
You're saying that minorities are generally uneducated? 
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: meams]
#14683856 - 06/28/11 03:12 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I know in Virginiia Beach they purposefully had to dumb down the entrance exam to the FD because not enough hispanic and african american individuals were able to pass it
I can't believe the racism in this thread..do you believe that Hispanics and African Americans are inherently dumber than other races?
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14683967 - 06/28/11 03:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Darwin23 said:
If you're a socialist your main concern is the poor.
If you're a socialsit it is either because you want something for nothing or you want to control who gets what. Power or bummitude. Could even be both.
No..there are other reasons. 
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Poid]
#14684454 - 06/28/11 06:08 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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> No..there are other reasons.
Such as?
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Seuss]
#14684473 - 06/28/11 06:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Such as wanting to provide a decent quality of life for people living in unfortunate circumstances.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Should civil servant jobs(Police,fire,city work) be privatized? [Re: Poid]
#14684891 - 06/28/11 09:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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In the inner-city, yes, that is mainly an education problem. My problem is not with educated folks who work hard gaining employment, it's the people who are as dumb as a rock and are handed employment that piss me off.
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