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Icelander said:
I wouldn't be surprised. I'm guessing most are under a doctors care but not taking their meds.

Of course this has nothing to do with the fact that their theories are generally correct.

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I don't think all conspiracy theorists are addicts or have mental disorders, I just think there may be something to all this.

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Cervantes said:
I have missed you Ice.

I've been doing a bit of research about substance abuse and mental illness and I have found some interesting stuff... but then I kinda' started looking at the side effects of certain drugs and how they seem quite similar to people with a conspiratorial mindset.

Schizophrenia in particular strikes a nerve. Schizophrenics are prone to hallucinations, hearing noises or voices, paranoid delusions, and disorganized thoughts and speech.

Use of marijuana before the age of 20 seems to greatly increase the likelihood a person will be diagnosed with schizophrenia.

The side effects of coke or amphetamine use are almost indestinguishable from schizophrenia in a clinical setting.

Psychedelics cause hallucinating audio/visual and cause the user to detect patterns that otherwise would go unnoticed.

These are some of the things I have been coming across in my research and I have to say it reminds me of a lot of the conversations I have in this forum.

I don't think all conspiracy theorists are addicts or have mental disorders, I just think there may be something to all this.

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Well think about this.  Most of these "mentally ill" folk might be mostly on track.  They see the effects or possible effects of the strange things mankind does and are confused that no one is asking questions about it or weirded out but themselves.  How would one not suspect a conspiracy.  I myself do at times. However what really scares me is my feeling no one is in control and all us normal folk are completely bat shit crazy. Thats why I don't write these guys off.  They might be the only ones who aren't doing this  They just don't have it quite right.

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Not every website has a conspiracy forum... But we do at this psychedelic website. Why? Because there was a high demand.

Now, do you use uppers? I certainly have battled addiction to coke and the schizophrenic side effects.

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I wonder, are conspiracy theorists more likely to use uppers (coke, speed, meth, adderal... etc) than non-conspiracy minded folks?

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Certainly, psychedelics and conspiracy have been linked together at least as a stereotype... but the way conspiracy theorists detect patterns and give meaning to things that seem random to most others seems more like the side effects caused by chronic use of uppers... at least to me.

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I don't know if this thread will get to the bottom of my theory but it is something I have wanted to talk about for a long time.

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Cervantes said:
Pattern recognition is a sign of intelligence.

Contantly finding patterns that others do not see... is either a sign of brilliance or schizophrenia.

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ut I want to reiterate one point that seems to pop up around here every once and awhile and that is the terminology.  Conspiracy theory is nothing more than ideas and hypothesis about a group of people that talk about a crime or plan to do something, which DOES happen, and with more frequency than people know.  The demonetization of this phrase I think is to discourage the public from connecting the dots and ostracizing those who do...
Here at the shroomery I am surprised at the number of people who buy into the bullshit put out from the machine... I would have thought the community, questioning authority and being distrustful of the man, would be a bit more open minded to some of these conspiracy theory ideas, specifically 9/11, 7/7 and the NWO...

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Cervantes said:


It is easy to see the number 11 if you look for it (especially when you also insist it equals two ones). But why that number has more meaning than other numbers in your world view is because of how you process the patterns you see.

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I find it very strange that people at a psychedelic forum who presumably have experience of psychedelics will equate them with other drugs, like 'uppers' and 'downers' for example. What this confusion communicates to me is trhat
a) you most likely do NOT have experience with psychedelics but like hanging out at forums that focus on psychedelic issues and experience
b) You have experience but greatly underestimate their potential history and meaning

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So the one battered into their 'left brain' via the Illuminati 'education' system will say,

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Shins said:
You're suggesting that "conspiracy theorists" (without definition) have a mental illness that affects cognition.

I'm saying that you have a confirmation bias that affects your cognition. 

"Conspiracy theorists" obviously say things that seem unusual to you and which fall outside of your confirmation bias, so you marginalize them as having a cognitive disorder for it to mentally fit for you.


It's in fact a mental defense mechanism which you use to protect your ego because you can't handle the truth, or a lack thereof.

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You're suggesting that "conspiracy theorists" (without definition) have a mental illness that affects cognition.

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"Conspiracy theorists" obviously say things that seem unusual to you and which fall outside of your confirmation bias, so you marginalize them as having a cognitive disorder for it to mentally fit for you.

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It's in fact a mental defense mechanism which you use to protect your ego because you can't handle the truth, or a lack thereof.

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I wouldn't be surprised. I'm guessing most are under a doctors care but not taking their meds.

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Why do these patterns seem random to me?

Because they are.

You see the number 11 in the twin towers. I see two tall rectangles... or two tall lowercase l's  The number 1 is not perfectly rectangular like the towers were. The number 1 has a little thing which hangs of the top left side. Often the number 1 has a base like an upside down capital T. But you see the number 11.

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I 'did' see two rectangular towers too. But they can also be associated with the shape of a number 11. They can also be associated with two pillars:  The pillars of Jachin and Boaz



Of course two pillars is the Freemasonic connection which would CONNECT '9/11' with President Kennedy's assassination claimed to have taken place because he threatened to expose these secret societies and fuck with their money scam etc.
Who's The Enemy: -- The "End of Days" Begun?
"It became obvious fairly early that there were some strange coincidences surrounding these events. As was quickly reported throughout the Internet, there were a whole bunch of odd "9-1-1" and "11" coincidences that linked to these horrific attacks.



For instance:

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              The attacks took place on 9/11
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              9+1+1 = 11
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              Each WTC Tower had 110 floors, which is a multiple of 11
            * The aircraft which ultimately hit the Pentagon was American Airlines Flight 77. 77 is another multiple of 11
            * American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane flown into World Trade Tower2, had 11 crewmembers. A total of 65 people were on Flight 11. 6+5 = 11
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              The second plane, United Airlines Flight 175, hit the World Trade Tower 1 at 9:02 AM. 9+2 = 11
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              9/11 is the 254th day of the year. 2+5+4 = 11
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              After 9/11, there are 111 days left in the year
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              New York City (where the major attack occurred) consists of 11 letters
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              New York was the 11th state admitted into the Union
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              President Bush ordered flags to fly at half mast until 9/22 [2x11], making an 11 day period of mourning

And so on. At this point, our interest had been piqued, but little else. We had no way of knowing, or certainly proving, whether all these resonances were simply true coincidence or part of some other larger pattern. But given our previous research into such recurring symbolism, we felt impelled to at least look...As we demonstrated in “End of Days,” the US was founded essentially as a great “Masonic experiment.” Most of the driving forces and compelling personalities behind the American Revolution originated in the Masonic lodges of the time. The evidence of a pervasive Masonic influence is present throughout our culture, then … and now:  in our symbols (looked at a dollar bill lately?); architecture (how about the Washington Monument?); and traditions (what is the real reason July 4th is celebrated as Independence Day?)."
Yes? At that is just tip of the iceberg. There is more complex pattern, involving other 'power numbers' and other forms of symbolism and correspondences.

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We can all agree that 11 is a number.

Ok, I admit, The twin towers looked like the number 11.

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11 is  written as two ones. 1+1=2 but 11 does not equal 2
11 represents 11 ones. 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=11

9/11 9+1+1=11
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9+11 equals 20

In both equations, 9=nine ones... but you must make 11=two ones to get the desired result. 11 does not equal two ones, 11 equals eleven ones.

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But your thinking about this is, with respect, not inclusive enough. These occultists take into acount your '2' too. But you cannot fail to see 11 all over the place, agreed? as a P A T T E R N

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And hey, if that date is so significant, why don't we include the year?

9/11/2001 9+1+1+2+0+0+1=14
9+11+2001=2021

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I don't know. Ask them lol. I have found on some occasions they seem to include the digits of the whole date. But you have to not impose your sense of logic otherwise you wont see possible patterns of how they do things.
You KNOW they use numbers in their freemasonic initiation right? Like 33 (which also is a multiple of 11s, 3x11). Do you know WHY they do? Do you know why there is a number under the secret society (which all three generations of the Bush family were initiated in) symbol of the Skull and Bones:

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That some see the number 11 as meaningful beyond it's numeric value is exactly the type of pattern recognition I am talking about. You still frequently have to cook the books to get to 11.

It is easy to see the number 11 if you look for it (especially when you also insist it equals two ones). But why that number has more meaning than other numbers in your world view is because of how you process the patterns you see.

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Why is seeing the number 11 connected with these atrocities, including WW1, and speeches made talking about a New World Order --which Bush senior gave on-----go on guesss: SEPTEMBER 11, 1990 -- And see the actual DATE 'predicted' in none other than the film The Matrix--take a look:



Why is this 'cooking the books'? it is rather seeing a very interesting pattern (and this goes deeper). So let us have an intermission a moment. Some people call this number pattern 'coincidence'. They also say it about more 'mundane' clues that happened, not only on 9/11, but also the London Bombings--the UK 9/11 of 7/7
Check this video out:9/11 - 7/7 : Modus Operandi - The Anatomy of Attack Part 1 ( I hope you make the effort to watch all the videos and take notes):

THE NUMEROLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF 9/11

Just a word about your OP. I can feel that you really are into this question, and you say that you have had 'mental illness'. That you use that term and also 'schizophrenia' says to me you conform to the mental illness myth? That it is biological disease? I very much do not, and I think that so-called mental illness is necessary madness in an insane world. Ie., I am more attracted to thos e being called mad --in a derogotary sense--and not adjusted, than I am to the movers and supporters of this fukin insane world, where people will coldly agree with the insanity, like dropping a nluclear bomb on living beings. They will see nothing wrong with that, and yet will be the first to point the finger at the 'schizophrenic' person having visions of the 'end of the world' as being insane and in need of 'treatment'. And I must inform you, that the drugs you mention can top a person onto 'mental illness'---you forgot the worst ar the very drugs purporting to 'treat it'!! SO many ex military are killing themselves, and many have been previously put on a coctail of psychiatric medication!

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All good stuff... If this were a thread about numerology... which it isn't.

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You couldn't have seen and absorbed all i threw achya.
It always makes me smile when someone claims a subject aint about another subject. I mean hmmm IF you are implying that 'conspiracy theorists' are 'mentally ill' because they are seeing patterns which are delusionary, then it must needs be that said 'mental ill' conspiracy theorists must present their case, true? So why you saying it has nothing to do with trying to get you to see a PATTERN, which YOU, not me, are obviously in denial about.

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When hindsight is your guide, you can make any number seem meaningful.

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10 is not being seen all over 9/11. 11 yes. 10 no. Otherwise we'd be seeing 10s all ovwer the place, and talkin bout 10, right? 8 isn't being talked about, but 9 is.

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I could easily negate every day of the week but Thursday and make a list of every big thing that has ever happened on Thursday. Every earthquake, battle, hurricane, nuclear test, assassination, tornado, terrorist act, scandal... etc. I would have a list of 1/7th of all the bad things that have ever happened and it would be long.

But it would mean nothing.

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IF you were honest you would admit to being at least surprised of all those 11s popping up all over the place, even the shape of the twin towers, but despite 'my efforts' you choose to rationalize and explain away. You CHOOSE, in other words, not to see the pattern I am pointing you to. There is none so blind as them that won't see.

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Once again, your off topic post displays the behavior I am talking about in this thread.

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So there you go, pointing the finger and implying I am mentally ill, on uppers, or whatever. Whilst you think yourself the epitome of logical purity no doubt
It is only 'off topic' because that is your interpretation of reality. Your reality isn't mine.
You want to set the parameters so you can prove to yourself your theory to yourself.

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If you started a thread to talk about the significance of the number 11, I might spend the time to address each of your questions... this is not the proper thread.

I am more interested in what causes this pattern of behavior... for example, why do xonspiracy theorists routinely veer off topic in threads they did not start. Perhaps you don't think you are off topic? Why is that?

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because it isn't off topic. it only seems so because you choose to interpret this inquiry that way.
You act like a typical shrink who disrespects their 'patient' who they condiser not worthy to listen to, and explain their visions, and what they are thinking. Rather this must not be encouraged and so 'treatment' is coerced which is aimed to sedate the person and not have any kind of relationship. Why? because the stupid shrink believes their worldview is superior, and so goes along harming and abusing people with his toxic drugs stifling any real learning and freedom.

Well your position reminds me of that. You really dont want to learn how other people are experiencing reality. And in fact if you only DID be more open minded you may learn something.

Spose yal;l moan THIS is 'off topic' as well. This is in the box-ism

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Actually, I do enjoy your posts but you have failed to connect the number 11 to drug use or schizophrenia. You insist there is a connection but I don't see it and nobody else who has posted in this thread seems to see it either.

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I suspect this is because you see a pattern that few, if any, also see.

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Without any further information from you about how numerology connects to the topic at hand, I can only discuss your behavior in this thread and how it relates to my thesis... Otherwise I allow you to drag me off topic.

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From pattern recognition to paranoia, to extreme defensiveness, your behavior online in this thread is textbook schizophrenic. Are you schizophrenic? I have no clue. I have never met you. For all I know you are just kidding around. In either case, I appreciate your participation.

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Cervantes said:
Actually, I do enjoy your posts but you have failed to connect the number 11 to drug use or schizophrenia.

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Cervantes said:
Actually, I do enjoy your posts but you have failed to connect the number 11 to drug use or schizophrenia.

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Cervantes said:
Thanks for veering closer to the topic at hand.

I see a new pattern emerging in this thread:

People who are conspiracy minded (with the exception of Jach and DH) try to tell me what I am thinking. Then they accuse me of calling them schizophrenic (something I have not done). It doesn't matter how many times I explain that I am not calling them schizophrenic. They seem to ignore my words and argue against my imagined thoughts. Perhaps it is easier to win an argument when you play both sides?!? I dunno.

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I am drawing a connection to conspiratorial behavior, drug use, and schizophrenic behavior. I have provided evidence. I am not making baseless claims nor am I calling anyone insane.

My posts stand unchanged for you to review.

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zzripz said:
actually tis YOU who sound loco!

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Icelander said:
I think many conspiracy guys are mentally ill but then I think almost all of us are mentally ill.

Immaturity imo is a symptom of mental illness.

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Icelander said:
Yea because the only reason to believe in conspiracies is paranoia caused by being drug-adled. *rolls eyes*

Not one person here has even come close to making this statement.  It has been addressed several times already and here's someone else playing that same tired old song.  Someone seems paranoid.

In another post in this thread I stated I don't think all conspiracy's are false.

So maybe a course of reading/comprehension skills would be of benefit.

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Yea because the only reason to believe in conspiracies is paranoia caused by being drug-adled. *rolls eyes*

Not one person here has even come close to making this statement.

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Cervantes said:
I explained my thoughts last night. The post is there for you to read...

Here is a summary: If you are not schizophrenic or addicted to uppers, you have no excuse to behave like you are behaving. Kindly read the posts people make and reply to them about the post they have made. Don't pretend you know what they are thinking... and don't ignore what they say in order to argue against a point they have never made.


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Excuse? behave like i am behaving? 

Maybe if you didn't patronize and belittle you discussion "partners" they would respond better.

Get off your high horse.

I thought by now you would realize the irony in calling me out for telling you what you are thinking when your entire thread is about telling people what they are thinking.

But i digress.

You're the only one yet who has admitted to having said cognitive disorder,  so i really don't see how this correlates.

You're loco

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Icelander said:
Yea because the only reason to believe in conspiracies is paranoia caused by being drug-adled. *rolls eyes*

Not one person here has even come close to making this statement.  It has been addressed several times already and here's someone else playing that same tired old song.  Someone seems paranoid.

In another post in this thread I stated I don't think all conspiracy's are false.

So maybe a course of reading/comprehension skills would be of benefit.

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Or is it possible that the people claiming others to be paranoid are the ones that are paranoid? 

Every argument in this thread seems to attack the other person, which is exactly how you have a discussion that leads to no where, and, as the topic creator hinted at, having a theory that is not gotten to the bottom of.

Of course the reason could also be that there are no facts to prove it as well...

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Or is it possible that the ones claiming others to be paranoid about others  being paranoid are paranoid.

How about pointing out some of these "attacks".

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DeadHearts said:
I drink beer smoke weed and trip on mushrooms.

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Dude.

Z.

You are classic.

Thank you for joining us here.

You put the 'Cock' in Cockney.

Edit: Well, if you are from Manchester, you may just have Cockney envy.

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communisaurus said:
I doubt 9/11 more when I smoke weed. On mushrooms conspiracy is the last thing on my mind.

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Yea because the only reason to believe in conspiracies is paranoia caused by being drug-adled. *rolls eyes*

Not one person here has even come close to making this statement.

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Then what the hell is the point of this thread?

It's very clear what the OP is insinuating, even if he does chose to use strategic words.

I think that people who use the term "conspiracy theory" or "conspiracy theorist" have a mental disorder, or at the least a lack of reading comprehension.

1. It caters their confirmation bias as i have previously stated yet no one seems to acknowledge.

2. It doesn't respect the definitions of those words.



Police make theories about conspiracies,  do you think many police detectives on average have schizophrenia?


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Yea because the only reason to believe in conspiracies is paranoia caused by being drug-adled. *rolls eyes*

Not one person here has even come close to making this statement.

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Then what the hell is the point of this thread?

It's very clear what the OP is insinuating, even if he does chose to use strategic words.

I think that people who use the term "conspiracy theory" or "conspiracy theorist" have a mental disorder, or at the least a lack of reading comprehension.

1. It caters their confirmation bias as i have previously stated yet no one seems to acknowledge.

2. It doesn't respect the definitions of those words.



Police make theories about conspiracies,  do you think many police detectives on average have schizophrenia?


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