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 Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY  [Re: johnm214]
#14528949 - 05/29/11 02:19 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Never said I had a right to stop you from buying it. I'm just saying you have the right to make your own FREE ENERGY and do what you will with it. What right do any of you have to stop me from making FREE energy?
Actually I messed up, its called an EMA Engine. Invented by Edwin V. Gray. Research yourself bro, I don't know a whole lot about it, your right. It was just an example of harmless free energy. You are just making random ridiculous assumptions.
heres another link on it.
Im just saying free energy doesn't equal energy weapons.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14529022 - 05/29/11 02:49 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Never said I had a right to stop you from buying it. I'm just saying you have the right to make your own FREE ENERGY and do what you will with it.
Fine, what right do you have to say I should not buy or sell energy rather than prohibiting it? Is your new statement in place of your old?
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What right do any of you have to stop me from making FREE energy?
I don't know, but what does it matter?
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Actually I messed up, its called an EMA Engine. Invented by Edwin V. Gray. Research yourself bro, I don't know a whole lot about it, your right. It was just an example of harmless free energy. You are just making random ridiculous assumptions.
What 'random ridiculous assumptions' am I making? You claim it, but don't even hint what you're faulting.
It is not an example of harmless free energy, its an example of crackpot claims (like water powerd engines) that people seem to be putting on websites all over the internet: water is not a fuel for any sort of atmospheric chemical reaction that produces non-trivial amounts of energy. You say you do not know how it works and cannot demonstrate that it does, so how do you justify asserting to the forum that it does work? This is at odds with many experimentally determined understandings of the way the world works: for example: energy not being created (per the equivalence principle and conservation of matter/energy), entropy increasing over time, heat flowing to an object of lower temperature, et cet.
It is not that I have a problem with this particular example, its that the whole idea is silly as there's no known device of the sort.
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Im just saying free energy doesn't equal energy weapons.
Why not? Use whatever technology to construct guns, missles, planes, anything. You can have a gun that doesn't require gunpowder for propolusion, just use the device to blast out whatever you want at people, buildings, the planet. The ability to create energy is inherently an offensive capability, just like the atomic chain reaction generate both the power plant and the nuclear bombs- and the bomb first, for that matter.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: johnm214]
#14529300 - 05/29/11 05:08 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Fine, what right do you have to say I should not buy or sell energy rather than prohibiting it? Is your new statement in place of your old?
You're going beyond the point.. This has nothing to do with my stand on the subject. I really don't care what people do with energy, that's life. People always gonna make $.
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I don't know, but what does it matter?
Exactly, just vise versa.
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What 'random ridiculous assumptions' am I making?
This ridiculous weird assumption.
"Unless this is just semantic bullshit (like no interest Islamic loans that relegate the interest to fees), its a dumb idea."
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It is not an example of harmless free energy, its an example of crackpot claims (like water powerd engines) that people seem to be putting on websites all over the internet: water is not a fuel for any sort of atmospheric chemical reaction that produces non-trivial amounts of energy.
And why don't you think hydro electrolysis works?
There have been plenty of hydrogen cell vehicles. Want more links bud, or can u look it up yourself.
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Why not? Use whatever technology to construct guns, missles, planes, anything. You can have a gun that doesn't require gunpowder for propolusion, just use the device to blast out whatever you want at people, buildings, the planet.
Ummm okay? again "fire"
This is ridiculous. Change the title to "Why the government suppresses Unlimited energy weapons FOR YOUR SAFETY"
This is argument supposedly about free energy. Just cuz someone may harness some form of energy from the earth without paying for it, doesn't make it a universe melter from hell. You guys aren't even talking about free energy, your talking about creating battlestar galactica weapons or something. A person can live off the grid and "harness" any energy they want from earth, in various ways. Which makes it Free. Why is this about creating energy from nothing? Free energy isn't created, its borrowed.
If you really want me to gather resources and references to various methods of obtaining free energy, I can do that another time. Yes, actually they are very harmless.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14529544 - 05/29/11 08:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Fine, what right do you have to say I should not buy or sell energy rather than prohibiting it? Is your new statement in place of your old?
You're going beyond the point.. This has nothing to do with my stand on the subject. I really don't care what people do with energy, that's life. People always gonna make $.
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What 'random ridiculous assumptions' am I making?
This ridiculous weird assumption.
"Unless this is just semantic bullshit (like no interest Islamic loans that relegate the interest to fees), its a dumb idea."
Well, it wasj just my response to an anticipated reply, I guess it turned out to be worthless, but wasn't too random, at least.
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And why don't you think hydro electrolysis works?
There have been plenty of hydrogen cell vehicles. Want more links bud, or can u look it up yourself.
I didn't say it doesn't work, I just said you can't use water as a fuel in any sort of atmospheric chemical reaction, and the water-fueled engines are a hoax, at least as a means of energy production (let alone perpetual energy production).
Electroylisis of water does work, obviously; the problem is that it takes the same amount of energy to split as the the energy released upon the reverse reaction: burning the hydrogen in oxygen to water. As such, water cannot be a fuel in this reaction.
Yes, I would need a refrence for any perpetual motion / free energy or 'water fueled engines". There's plenty of links I'm sure I could find, but I'm not aware of any on water fueled engines that would work. Free energy water engines is even more silly.
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Why not? Use whatever technology to construct guns, missles, planes, anything. You can have a gun that doesn't require gunpowder for propolusion, just use the device to blast out whatever you want at people, buildings, the planet.
Ummm okay? again "fire"
What are you saying here? I don't recall you saying fire previously and aren't sure what you mean.
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This is argument supposedly about free energy. Just cuz someone may harness some form of energy from the earth without paying for it, doesn't make it a universe melter from hell. You guys aren't even talking about free energy, your talking about creating battlestar galactica weapons or something. A person can live off the grid and "harness" any energy they want from earth, in various ways. Which makes it Free. Why is this about creating energy from nothing? Free energy isn't created, its borrowed.
Free energy as the term is generally used is indeed an over unity device. It is free because the device produces more energy than it consumes and hence creates energy out of nothing, leading to an unlimited supply of energy for any application. The water engine you linked to, for example, doesn't work, can't work, and is not only using water as fuel but claiming to be able to yield over-unity.
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If you really want me to gather resources and references to various methods of obtaining free energy, I can do that another time. Yes, actually they are very harmless.
Well, over unity devices are impossible for reasons that are plain, and water-fueled cars and engines are also not possible as the change in energy between the water and oxygen/hydrogen is equivalent no matter whcih way the reaction proceeds: hence it produces no net energy and inefficiency make it not even able to break even.
If you know of such things, yes, it would be great to hear about them: nobody has ever discovered such a device, so it would be a breakthrough 
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: johnm214]
#14529935 - 05/29/11 11:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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so you dont believe in U F Os then, uyes?
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: zzripz]
#14538929 - 05/31/11 03:19 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Free EnergyIts funny how you say there is no such thing as free energy. What exactly do you call it when the wind blows a boat's sail and sends it off into the sea? Is that not free energy? Heck, even molecules are constantly moving in rocks for thousands and thousands of years without ever coming to a standstill, what do you call that? 1. Magnet Motor This utilizes an electric motor that applies electromagnetic forces to produce either a rotatory or linear motion. The electric motor works when a conductor in the magnetic field and produces power from unpaired electrons in magnetic materials ("ferro" in this case) . This motor has many different forms created by many different people. Geometry and timing makes all the difference. Howard R. Johnson US Patent 4,151,431 Permanent Magnet Motor http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPAT4151431&id=4sIsAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=Howard+Johnson%27s+magnetic+motor&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=falseCarousel Electric Generator US Patent 5,625,241 http://www.google.com/patents?id=fiUbAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA10&dq=the+%27Carousel%27+magnet+motor&hl=en&ei=X3jkTZLGMKT50gHbsNmHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20%27Carousel%27%20magnet%20motor&f=falseAllan B. Plunkett Field orientation control of a permanent magnet motor US Patent 4,814,677 http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPAT4814677&id=xCdzAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=magnet+motor&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=falseHoward Johnson's Magnet Motor  Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor Design  Leon Hatem's Magnet Motor/Generator  Leon Hatem's Magnet Motor/Generator Design  "Although originally suggested by Nikola Tesla in 1905, only a few permanent magnet motors-generators have been designed" [Is Nikola Tesla a crackpot to you too?] "Engineers of Hitachi Magnetics Corp. of California have stated that a motor-generator run solely by magnets is feasible and logical but the politics of the matter make it impossible for them to pursue developing a magnet motor or any device that would compete with the energy cartels." Free Magnetic Engine Plenty of others too, do the research yourself.
2. Self ChargingTesla's Pierce-Arrow http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Tesla%27s_Pierce-ArrowA first step to a giant leap. From the Pierce-Arrow to Aviso's Self-Charging Electric Vehicle http://pesn.com/2011/02/24/9501772_Philippine_DOE_Verifies_Aviso_Self-Charging_EV/
WARNING!!!!!!! MUTE THIS UNTIL 49 SECONDS UNLESS YOU LIKE YOUR EARS TO BLEED! TRUST ME.Aviso's Self Charging Electric Vehicle Test against conventional Engine Tested and Verified by Phillipine Department of Energy. Quote:
Subject: Testing figure
Testing DATA 5
Test 1
Meralco: 1,300watts/ 6.4amps./ 223 V Dyno: 291 Newton / 570 watts
Aviso tech: 308 watts/ 13amps / 23.74 v Dyno :210 Ntwn / 418 watts
Test 2
Meralco: 2000watts/ 9.5Amps / 227V V Dyno: 455 Newton / 931 watts
Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps / 23.6V Dyno: 210 Newton / 402 watts
Test 3
Meralco: 2,300watts / 10.98amps / 229V Dyno: 507 Newton / 1,100 watts
Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps/ 23.56 V Dyno: 200 Newton / 389 watts
We drove outside about 100 meters & back again to LAB & again some testing; inasmuch as they found two sets of batteries 7amps/12V in front of the car. I told them that it was a supply only for the fan and microcontroller; but they didn't believe me; so we test again for the 4th time & confirmed no connection powering the motor & drops of volts & increase of current draw. Very minute draw of current only either on or off of the motor.
Note: Actual Average time testing of AVISO tech 5 minutes. Two minutes running allocated for the DYNO computer setting up.
Testing of repelling force.
6 times Conventional way of lifting a 1kilo coil & using conventional small 12V DC low speed motor.
Height : 12 feet
Average Time to reach 12 feet : 0.9 (corrected to) 9.0 sec.
Average Current draw : 0.93 amps
Battery : 12V / 24AH
FYMEGM repelling force by AVISO TECHN. 1Kilo coil
3 times repelling Battery start at 12.48 V end up 12.29V
Average Height: 26 feet
" Time: 1 sec
Battery: 9 V + 1.5V AA + 1.5 AA = 12volts
Note: I am not satisfied re: the Height reached, but I don't have time to adjust to full power.
I told them, Once I receive enough funding, the next test will be 110 Kilometers per hour & until battery it run down.
Ismael
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The Technology Application and Promotion Institute, a division of the Philippine Department of Energy, tested two technologies developed by Ismael Aviso: his electric car and his repelling force.
In testing the electric car, they compared the efficiency of the DC motor using a conventional power supply (MERALCO), to the efficiency of the DC motor using Aviso's power source. Their measurement equipment included a dynamometer (which measures the torque produced by the spinning wheel); and oscilloscopes, to measure electrical output. They ran three tests of each type.
As was expected, the efficiency of the DC motor using the conventional power supply coming from a wall outlet was 45%. More than half the energy is being wasted as back-EMF, resistance, and heat.
But with Aviso's apparatus in place, the DC motor measured the efficiency as 133% -- meaning that more energy was produced than was consumed; validating the claim of "self-running" (with unseen energy being harvested from the environment).
In his preparatory meeting with them last week, he told them that the "conventional" mode will show the DC motor running at its rated efficiency of around 65%, while the Aviso mode will show at least 90% efficiency; and he told them he wouldn't be surprised if it showed 140% efficiency – very clearly harnessing energy from the surroundings. Now today, he nearly reached the 140% high projected.
In the repelling force test, his mode of propelling a one kilogram weight 33 feet in the air consumed four times less energy than by means of an ordinary low speed motor.
http://www.mevio.com/episode/270096/fen.110221
1 and a half hour interview with Aviso on his Self Charging vehicle and how it works.
http://pesn.com/2011/02/21/9501769_How_Aviso_extracts_energy_from_surroundings_to_power_his_EV/
And an Article done by the interviewer, explaining exactly how it works.
3. Common Solar Panels
I'm guessing your saying all my references are BS, so here's a big mainstream link for ya, that should be good enough.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/solar-cell.htm
Here's a fun fact from that article.
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photovoltaics -- which were once used almost exclusively in space, powering satellites' electrical systems as far back as 1958
http://solarpanels1.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Solar-Panels-Work.gif
a Guide to making your own.
http://www.greenearth4energy.com/build_solar_panel.html
Guides for solar heating, solar water heating, information, etc.
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/water_heating.htm
4. Wind Turbines
{not even gonna explain. Its obvious. Even more so than the solar panels.}
Ill show you this link tho. It has some really cool ways of collecting free energy from the wind. Its a beautiful sight, Imagine if our reality was this respectful to nature and this amazing, normally wasted energy.
http://biofriendly.com/blog/energy/wind-energy-8-ways-to-collect-it/
5. Water powered car
I do not see this as free energy as it needs water, which would eventually become scarce. Not very free. But for you to say its never worked or been in use is incorrect and just ignorant i guess. You just don't know what Google is do you? Shes the modern age oracle. use it.
Stan Meyer was producing "do it yourself kits" to convert your gas powered vehicle to a water powered electrolysis vehicle in the 1990's. He is no longer with us, as he died in 1998 after dining at a restaurant, Autopsy stated he died from a cerebral aneurysm.
Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell
Stan Meyers and his Water Fueled Dune buggy. Yeah thats right John, WATER ONLY.
Another Mainstream report verifying it a Japanese water only fueled car. Is Reuters good enough for you?
There are many many many more. And in fact I may add some more at another time or just delete most of this soon and just start my own thread. this took a lot of time to gather information and I only scratched the surface. I am wasting my time at the moment so this is all for now. Energy is all around. We are energy. Typing on the keyboard takes energy. So energy can be harvested and stored FREELY in very many ways. I'm a do it yourself type of person, and I feel energy may be collected freely if someone wishes to. Anyone who thinks gasoline is the only fuel that will ever work is blind to the world.
I am sorry Harvey, as I feel me and john have really messed this thread up. As I said before I will delete most of this long post soon if you wish.
But John, I am done arguing. You type way to much I have to spend so much time to reply to you. You nag about every sentence, and quote every single one it takes up a quarter of a page just talking back and forth. All you are doing is saying I do not have any evidence to support my claims, but you have no evidence backing your claims yourself. You like to challenge things a lot, and I respect that, but this amount of typing is ridiculous. Especially when im basically spoon feeding you information because you cant look it up yourself, or don't know where the "patents" & "scholar" option is on google search. What I was claiming from the beginning is Energy is free. Some choose to sell it or pay for it, but you shouldn't HAVE to. Energy will never run out, so we are free to borrow it and give back as we please. All of the above examples are harmless methods of collecting free energy. Just because they are not in mainstream production (because there is no money to be made) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sure, no one should have to right to create a dimension worth of energy from absolutely nothing that could be used to destroy (even accidentally), but that doesn't mean that free energy should be suppressed. NOW AGAIN, I am not saying we should all be able to create a lifetime worth of energy with the snap of fingers. Im saying don't claim all free energy is bad. Suppressing a water powered vehicle for ten years, solar panels as standard, and wind turbines as main source of energy, when we are in an energy crisis sucking the planet dry, and disrupting the equilibrium of nature is just plain stupid and ignorant to this planet and our children.
And no im not someone who thinks we are causing global warming. Im saying we as a whole should have caught on by now with normal intelligence, that Solar power and heating, Wind turbines, and self recharging motors should be standard on everything.
So I guess, go plug yourself back into your TV and go to the gas station in your Hummer, and quit claiming free energy is a crackpot idea.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14539344 - 05/31/11 07:39 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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WOW Questionsleep, that is one of the most amazing posts I have seen. PLEASE do not delete it, because I am sure I am not alone in needing it for my research also. If there is one great value of forums like this, it is not the time wasters, and trolls, it is being able to find well gather information like this!!
I would just like to add that the very reason people do not know about this is to do with propaganda. With the Illuminati 'education system' and Illuminati media keeping this information silent, and also ridiculing it. This is why we NEED people like you. So please don't feel pressurized to self-censor.
Remarkable effort. Well done!
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: zzripz]
#14541264 - 05/31/11 05:35 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Why is it always the people without degrees in physics that think they can solve the world's energy problems?
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14541690 - 05/31/11 07:03 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Why is it always the people without degrees in physics that think they can solve the world's energy problems?
So you have a degree in physics? What specialization?
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: zzripz]
#14541724 - 05/31/11 07:11 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Nope, my field of study is not physics.
I never claimed to be trying to solve the world's energy problems, so your question was kind of pointless.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: zzripz]
#14541866 - 05/31/11 07:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Why is it always the people without degrees in physics that think they can solve the world's energy problems?
Never claimed I could Solve the worlds energy problems. But I do believe that if people actually work together and start looking at other humans as an "Earth Civilization" instead of throwing up a flag on a piece of land and segregating everyone, ideas, love, and peace. As soon as people make the step as people of earth instead of just trying to make their country the biggest oil guzzler on the planet, I feel we all can accomplish a lot.
But no, I do not have a physics degree. Do I need one to research others work?
Why is it always the people who have nothing to add that bash everyone else? [I mean come on man, none of this was my ideas, I never invented any of it.] You seriously think the energy crisis cant be fixed by Solar energy, and wind generators? How dumb is that. A resource thats around us every second, and you think its useless?
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WOW Questionsleep, that is one of the most amazing posts I have seen. PLEASE do not delete it, because I am sure I am not alone in needing it for my research also. If there is one great value of forums like this, it is not the time wasters, and trolls, it is being able to find well gather information like this!!
I would just like to add that the very reason people do not know about this is to do with propaganda. With the Illuminati 'education system' and Illuminati media keeping this information silent, and also ridiculing it. This is why we NEED people like you. So please don't feel pressurized to self-censor.
Remarkable effort. Well done!
Thank you my UK bruv, Even though it really isnt my work, I just gathered some information of various energy sources I have looked into in the past. Sure there is a lot of info there and it did take a very long time, a lot of MJ and a lot of methadone but it just barely scrapes the surface as I stated erlier.
But I feel I must delete this as it is somewhat off topic, as they all seem to be refering to unlimited energy weapons and not about ways to collect free energy. If harvey gives me the okay to leave it, I will. But I think I should just start my own thread or put it in the journal section. I will just copy and paste most of what I already had in that post, but I will add much more over time, to where it becomes a point where there is no denying.
But, I would love to check out that forum. Feel free to send me the link in PM. I mean I love the shroomery and all, and I used to have a different account on here and actually have conversated and got along well with John and Harvey on my last account, infact I gave harvey a five star rating and said he was a great guy and knows his shit. Thats why I was so baffled by this thread harvey, The only place I used to see you was in the Ethno Garden section, never thought I would see you saying something like this! But the shroomery is different now. I remember on Mycotopia and other forums people hated shroomery members, because all they do is troll, complain, act all smart ass, and claim they know everything and no one else knows anything. Its so segregated. Plus the psych experience section is ridiculous now.. Sounds like a bunch of 13 year olds. "Will I die if I take an 1/8th of mushrooms?"...
Now im not saying you guys are trolling me or nothing, I think its great you question it. But you guys aren't open to anything. Then you attack me. Im just trying to help some brothers out. If you choose to pay for heating in your house your whole life to GE, or wanna buy gasoline from BP, or want to get your home power from GE again, then that's your choice/problem. When they boost the prices, or run out of energy, ill be the one with the solar panels powering my house, wood stove heating it, and an electric car I ghetto rig myself. Sure these aren't the most advance types of machinery on the planet but they work. Thats all that matters. It makes me happy, gets me more in touch with nature. And makes me feel pure.
I am not an energy weapon terrorist, im just a guy who thinks we should recycle, conserve, and reuse. Why go at it like a bunch of hooligans and just suck all the oil out of the planet. You know that is gonna cause some type of disruption in the equilibrium of the earth.
Im not hurting anyone with this info, or by using these machines. So what the hell is the big deal guys? Really?
And John, still believe a car cant run on water?
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14542047 - 05/31/11 08:30 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Energy should never be payed for, its never created or destroyed, so why would it be dangerous to recycle energy? Like solar panels, or this EVG Motor.
so disconnect yourself from the grid and take advantage of the free energy
just floating around everywhere, it's all around you in the air, the earth
and in space, just tap into it
or remained connected and pay for the service of conversion of energy from
one form to another, hydro for instance converts mechanical energy into
usable electricity, that required building a dam, installing turbines,
running wires, transformers, etc... so you see, if you want the free
energy then you need to make the means of converting it to a usable form
which will cost money and negate the free part
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14542103 - 05/31/11 08:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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And John, still believe a car cant run on water?
Not through hydrolysis or some chemical means using water as the energy source.
Where exactly in that mess is any evidence any of these water powered cars can work, or ay other free (over over 100% efficiency) energy devices? If there's something relevant, I missed it, so feel free to point it out. Seems like a bunch of text that covers everything BUT how such an engine could work.
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Its funny how you say there is no such thing as free energy. What exactly do you call it when the wind blows a boat's sail and sends it off into the sea? Is that not free energy?
Heck, even molecules are constantly moving in rocks for thousands and thousands of years without ever coming to a standstill, what do you call that?
"Free energy" is used to refer to energy that is produced with greater than 100% efficiency: the energy provided is greater than the energy consumed. I assume your just making a semantic argument here: nobody's saying energy that doesn't personally cost you anything or that is generated by some natural process is impossible.
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Why is it always the people without degrees in physics that think they can solve the world's energy problems?
zzripz allready answers that question. Apparently this is because the Illuminati controls the schools and will use propoganda and lies to hide the truth from you. Like the so called "laws" of motion and other rubbish.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14542666 - 05/31/11 10:53 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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stan meyer was a fraud
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/stanley_meyer.shtml
I'll look into the others and give an opinion, many appear to be some sort of
perpetual motion device, something that cant exist, I know someone that's
claimed to build one of these types of devices, he wont ever demonstrate it
but he's eager to tell you how it works and even has a 'prototype' and has
made excuses why it hasnt sold and for some reason he doesnt use it to power
his home
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14542857 - 05/31/11 11:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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japanese car doesnt run on water, it runs on hydrogen
Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor, no one can replicate it, one who claims to
used stepper motors, possibly the same thing johnson used and the reason no
one can duplicate his work
http://pesn.com/2009/05/28/9501545_Jose-E-Concepcion_aka-Mylow_magnet-motor_Hoax/
Leon Hatem's design requires energy to 'make' energy and all his shit is in french
wind turbines cost money and require energy to build
Troy reed, uses a parlor trick to produce the illusion that the motor is
running on it's own, he's been running cons on free energy, house heating
and all kinds of shit over the years, now he's just disappeared with all
that cash
Aviso's Self Charging Electric Vehicle... Hmmm. it broke down during
testing so no measurements could be made, as stated in a letter from the
fictitious Dr.Colorado from TAPI in the Philippines, the same agency that
lists nothing on Aviso
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14542921 - 05/31/11 11:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Sure prisoner, you may pay for those parts if you wish, or like I said "Recycle, reuse, and conserve". Many who have their homes hooked up to Solar Panels will just run the wires to a bunch of car batteries in a container and keep it stored for when they need the charge. I could so go to junk yard and get some wiring that is in great condition, some car batteries, etc. Sure I may have to pay for parts to make solar panels my self, but I could seriously collect cans to get the money. That's free enough for me.
Sure someone can go all out like your saying and buy all the best of the best stuff so they can save the rest of their greed driven money, but im a DIY person like I said, and that takes away from the DIY aspect of it. Of coarse its not going to be some advance piece of machinery, but really who gives a flying fuck what it looks like. if it works it works.
But yeah like I said before I only scratched the surface with this stuff. Its overwhelming amount of information so I just grabbed the first couple I looked into. So even tho you say Stan meters is a fraud, many more have done the same, so I can always add everything and have you guys try to debunk it all.
@John
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Genepax a Japanese company, may have a breakthrough solution to global warming {<--B.S.(my comment)} as it has just unveiled an eco-friendly car prototype that is claimed to run solely on any kind of water – even seawater or tea! With just one litre of water, the car is said to be able to run for up to an hour, at a speed of 80kmph.
Typical fuel cell vehicles take in hydrogen and emit water, but Genepax’s car generates electricity by breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen.
The company says that this is made possible by a technology called ‘membrane electrode assembly (or MEA), which contains a material that is capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.
"It does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," said Genepax’s CEO Kiyoshi Hirasawa on Tokyo TV. According to the company, the system alone costs about ¥2,000,000 (roughly $18,000 U.S.) but if mass produced, the cost can be reduced to about $5,000 or less. Some people have reacted with disbelief and questioned the car’s legitimacy, claiming that the technology appears to violate the First Law of Thermodynamics . Genepax is reportedly in the midst of filing a patent for its groundbreaking technology. Without more in-depth details, we can’t say for sure if the car is too good to be true, but this will certainly be something worth watching for in the coming months.
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Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water (H2O) into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen gas (H2) due to an electric current being passed through the water.
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zzripz allready answers that question. Apparently this is because the Illuminati controls the schools and will use propoganda and lies to hide the truth from you. Like the so called "laws" of motion and other rubbish.
Actually not really. Sure there may be no such as an NWO or other shit like that, but the fact is the people running the big nations are not doing what they are doing for the interest of the people, the world, and their children. That is obvious in its self, and really that is all that matters.
Also what happened to this debate? I thought this was about the government suppressing free energy for our safety? Not a debate on weather free energy exists or not, and confusing it with unlimited energy from nothing.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
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QuestionSleep said:
Sure I may have to pay for parts to make solar panels my self, but I could seriously collect cans to get the money. That's free enough for me.
I built a small scale PV cell some years back, it's more costly and less efficient than buying one
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But yeah like I said before I only scratched the surface with this stuff. Its overwhelming amount of information so I just grabbed the first couple I looked into. So even tho you say Stan meters is a fraud, many more have done the same, so I can always add everything and have you guys try to debunk it all.
Stan Meyer was convicted of fraud in 1996 after he was unable to demonstrate
his claims to investors or the court after soliciting large sums of money for
commercializing his technology. I'm yet to see a means of producing more
energy than what's put in
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: QuestionSleep]
#14543046 - 06/01/11 12:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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QuestionSleep said:
Free Energy
Its funny how you say there is no such thing as free energy. What exactly do you call it when the wind blows a boat's sail and sends it off into the sea? Is that not free energy?
Heck, even molecules are constantly moving in rocks for thousands and thousands of years without ever coming to a standstill, what do you call that?
1. Magnet Motor
This utilizes an electric motor that applies electromagnetic forces to produce either a rotatory or linear motion. The electric motor works when a conductor in the magnetic field and produces power from unpaired electrons in magnetic materials ("ferro" in this case) . This motor has many different forms created by many different people. Geometry and timing makes all the difference.
Howard R. Johnson US Patent 4,151,431 Permanent Magnet Motor
http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPAT4151431&id=4sIsAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=Howard+Johnson%27s+magnetic+motor&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
Carousel Electric Generator US Patent 5,625,241
http://www.google.com/patents?id=fiUbAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA10&dq=the+%27Carousel%27+magnet+motor&hl=en&ei=X3jkTZLGMKT50gHbsNmHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20%27Carousel%27%20magnet%20motor&f=false
Allan B. Plunkett Field orientation control of a permanent magnet motor US Patent 4,814,677
http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPAT4814677&id=xCdzAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=magnet+motor&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor
Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor Design
Leon Hatem's Magnet Motor/Generator
Leon Hatem's Magnet Motor/Generator Design
"Although originally suggested by Nikola Tesla in 1905,
only a few permanent magnet motors-generators have been designed"
[Is Nikola Tesla a crackpot to you too?]
"Engineers of Hitachi Magnetics Corp. of California have stated that a motor-generator run solely by magnets is feasible and logical but the politics of the matter make it impossible for them to pursue developing a magnet motor or any device that would compete with the energy cartels."
Free Magnetic Engine
Plenty of others too, do the research yourself.
2. Self Charging
Tesla's Pierce-Arrow
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Tesla%27s_Pierce-Arrow
A first step to a giant leap.
From the Pierce-Arrow to Aviso's Self-Charging Electric Vehicle
http://pesn.com/2011/02/24/9501772_Philippine_DOE_Verifies_Aviso_Self-Charging_EV/
WARNING!!!!!!! MUTE THIS UNTIL 49 SECONDS UNLESS YOU LIKE YOUR EARS TO BLEED! TRUST ME.
Aviso's Self Charging Electric Vehicle Test against conventional Engine
Tested and Verified by Phillipine Department of Energy.
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Subject: Testing figure
Testing DATA 5
Test 1
Meralco: 1,300watts/ 6.4amps./ 223 V Dyno: 291 Newton / 570 watts
Aviso tech: 308 watts/ 13amps / 23.74 v Dyno :210 Ntwn / 418 watts
Test 2
Meralco: 2000watts/ 9.5Amps / 227V V Dyno: 455 Newton / 931 watts
Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps / 23.6V Dyno: 210 Newton / 402 watts
Test 3
Meralco: 2,300watts / 10.98amps / 229V Dyno: 507 Newton / 1,100 watts
Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps/ 23.56 V Dyno: 200 Newton / 389 watts
We drove outside about 100 meters & back again to LAB & again some testing; inasmuch as they found two sets of batteries 7amps/12V in front of the car. I told them that it was a supply only for the fan and microcontroller; but they didn't believe me; so we test again for the 4th time & confirmed no connection powering the motor & drops of volts & increase of current draw. Very minute draw of current only either on or off of the motor.
Note: Actual Average time testing of AVISO tech 5 minutes. Two minutes running allocated for the DYNO computer setting up.
Testing of repelling force.
6 times Conventional way of lifting a 1kilo coil & using conventional small 12V DC low speed motor.
Height : 12 feet
Average Time to reach 12 feet : 0.9 (corrected to) 9.0 sec.
Average Current draw : 0.93 amps
Battery : 12V / 24AH
FYMEGM repelling force by AVISO TECHN. 1Kilo coil
3 times repelling Battery start at 12.48 V end up 12.29V
Average Height: 26 feet
" Time: 1 sec
Battery: 9 V + 1.5V AA + 1.5 AA = 12volts
Note: I am not satisfied re: the Height reached, but I don't have time to adjust to full power.
I told them, Once I receive enough funding, the next test will be 110 Kilometers per hour & until battery it run down.
Ismael
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The Technology Application and Promotion Institute, a division of the Philippine Department of Energy, tested two technologies developed by Ismael Aviso: his electric car and his repelling force.
In testing the electric car, they compared the efficiency of the DC motor using a conventional power supply (MERALCO), to the efficiency of the DC motor using Aviso's power source. Their measurement equipment included a dynamometer (which measures the torque produced by the spinning wheel); and oscilloscopes, to measure electrical output. They ran three tests of each type.
As was expected, the efficiency of the DC motor using the conventional power supply coming from a wall outlet was 45%. More than half the energy is being wasted as back-EMF, resistance, and heat.
But with Aviso's apparatus in place, the DC motor measured the efficiency as 133% -- meaning that more energy was produced than was consumed; validating the claim of "self-running" (with unseen energy being harvested from the environment).
In his preparatory meeting with them last week, he told them that the "conventional" mode will show the DC motor running at its rated efficiency of around 65%, while the Aviso mode will show at least 90% efficiency; and he told them he wouldn't be surprised if it showed 140% efficiency – very clearly harnessing energy from the surroundings. Now today, he nearly reached the 140% high projected.
In the repelling force test, his mode of propelling a one kilogram weight 33 feet in the air consumed four times less energy than by means of an ordinary low speed motor.
http://www.mevio.com/episode/270096/fen.110221
1 and a half hour interview with Aviso on his Self Charging vehicle and how it works.
http://pesn.com/2011/02/21/9501769_How_Aviso_extracts_energy_from_surroundings_to_power_his_EV/
And an Article done by the interviewer, explaining exactly how it works.
3. Common Solar Panels
I'm guessing your saying all my references are BS, so here's a big mainstream link for ya, that should be good enough.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/solar-cell.htm
Here's a fun fact from that article.
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photovoltaics -- which were once used almost exclusively in space, powering satellites' electrical systems as far back as 1958
http://solarpanels1.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Solar-Panels-Work.gif
a Guide to making your own.
http://www.greenearth4energy.com/build_solar_panel.html
Guides for solar heating, solar water heating, information, etc.
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/water_heating.htm
4. Wind Turbines
{not even gonna explain. Its obvious. Even more so than the solar panels.}
Ill show you this link tho. It has some really cool ways of collecting free energy from the wind. Its a beautiful sight, Imagine if our reality was this respectful to nature and this amazing, normally wasted energy.
http://biofriendly.com/blog/energy/wind-energy-8-ways-to-collect-it/
5. Water powered car
I do not see this as free energy as it needs water, which would eventually become scarce. Not very free. But for you to say its never worked or been in use is incorrect and just ignorant i guess. You just don't know what Google is do you? Shes the modern age oracle. use it.
Stan Meyer was producing "do it yourself kits" to convert your gas powered vehicle to a water powered electrolysis vehicle in the 1990's. He is no longer with us, as he died in 1998 after dining at a restaurant, Autopsy stated he died from a cerebral aneurysm.
Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell
Stan Meyers and his Water Fueled Dune buggy. Yeah thats right John, WATER ONLY.
Another Mainstream report verifying it a Japanese water only fueled car. Is Reuters good enough for you?
There are many many many more. And in fact I may add some more at another time or just delete most of this soon and just start my own thread. this took a lot of time to gather information and I only scratched the surface. I am wasting my time at the moment so this is all for now. Energy is all around. We are energy. Typing on the keyboard takes energy. So energy can be harvested and stored FREELY in very many ways. I'm a do it yourself type of person, and I feel energy may be collected freely if someone wishes to. Anyone who thinks gasoline is the only fuel that will ever work is blind to the world.
I am sorry Harvey, as I feel me and john have really messed this thread up. As I said before I will delete most of this long post soon if you wish.
But John, I am done arguing. You type way to much I have to spend so much time to reply to you. You nag about every sentence, and quote every single one it takes up a quarter of a page just talking back and forth. All you are doing is saying I do not have any evidence to support my claims, but you have no evidence backing your claims yourself. You like to challenge things a lot, and I respect that, but this amount of typing is ridiculous. Especially when im basically spoon feeding you information because you cant look it up yourself, or don't know where the "patents" & "scholar" option is on google search. What I was claiming from the beginning is Energy is free. Some choose to sell it or pay for it, but you shouldn't HAVE to. Energy will never run out, so we are free to borrow it and give back as we please. All of the above examples are harmless methods of collecting free energy. Just because they are not in mainstream production (because there is no money to be made) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sure, no one should have to right to create a dimension worth of energy from absolutely nothing that could be used to destroy (even accidentally), but that doesn't mean that free energy should be suppressed. NOW AGAIN, I am not saying we should all be able to create a lifetime worth of energy with the snap of fingers. Im saying don't claim all free energy is bad. Suppressing a water powered vehicle for ten years, solar panels as standard, and wind turbines as main source of energy, when we are in an energy crisis sucking the planet dry, and disrupting the equilibrium of nature is just plain stupid and ignorant to this planet and our children.
And no im not someone who thinks we are causing global warming. Im saying we as a whole should have caught on by now with normal intelligence, that Solar power and heating, Wind turbines, and self recharging motors should be standard on everything.
So I guess, go plug yourself back into your TV and go to the gas station in your Hummer, and quit claiming free energy is a crackpot idea.
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#14543072 - 06/01/11 12:14 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Whats sarcastic about it?
Only a few people have perfected how to use vacuum energy, and they've already used it to kill 3000 people, and are most likely going to the finish off the rest of us using it to power HAARP.
...And you think the mugger down the street needs access to it to power his car and AC? ...and nothing bad will happen??? Power corrupts... ultimate power corrupts ultimately. (or unlimited power corrupts limitlessly in this case)
A bomb using an entire dimension of energy could wipe earth off the map. (and probably cause damage to the rest of existence.. withdrawing that much energy from the void has to affect something)
I think he is talking about psychedelics 
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Re: Why the government supressed free energy FOR YOUR SAFETY [Re: cacharstar]
#14543079 - 06/01/11 12:16 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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lol seriously you had to quote that whole entire post bud?
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