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 Life is suffering - Why? 
#14492576 - 05/22/11 05:20 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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No reason? Is it just the nature of randomness?
Does buddhism ever get into the why aspect of suffering?
Also I'm not saying everything is suffering but it seems to be a truth about life, everyones got some sort of problems. EVen Steve JObs rich mofo has trouble with cancer.
 
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 Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2] 1
#14492599 - 05/22/11 05:36 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Entropy bro, universe is always trying to achieve a more stable state, life is trying to resist randomness, matter is constantly trying to get to the lowest energy state and we're just billions of chemical reactions synced perfectly until our machinery fucks up because shit is random and mutations give us cancer or destroy our DNA and breaks us down into individual molecules to be recycled by the Earth as it hurdles towards it's death.
Is life suffering or is consciousness suffering? The process of life is rather insignificant in other creatures, insects eat fuck and die. I think being aware of the processes going on around us makes consciousness shitty...maybe we'll develop technology to live forever but nature always wins man. We're going to send space ships to find a new planet in a galaxy where who knows what the fuck goes on? Maybe it will work. Probably not.
I often wonder is life a gift or a curse? Seeing life as perfectly unique and love it for that would be nice but seeing the stars makes me feel like there's no significance to our particular course of events, a blip in universal time.
I should believe in heaven.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
#14493138 - 05/22/11 11:03 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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11. All suffering comes from the wish for your own happiness.
Perfect Buddhas are born from the thought to help others.
Therefore exchange your own happiness
For the suffering of others—
This is the practice of Bodhisattvas.
I like this one, as long as I don't try to analyse it.
The confusion I have when I do analyse it is, if suffering comes from the wish for our own happiness... then, how and why do I exchange my happiness for the suffering of others when all they have to do is stop wishing for their own happiness? Does it mean that I have to exchange my happiness through making others stop wishing? But, then looking from another perspective, I suppose if I'm not wishing for happiness and if I have happiness to exchange, then that suggests I am happy, and if I am happy, I can't imagine that I'd be suffering at the same time. Or I could interpret it as exchanging my own happiness to cause suffering of others... which sounds a little dark and not all that helpful of the bodhisattvas.. but maybe they have a different idea of what help is. 
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Mufungo]
#14493191 - 05/22/11 11:27 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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If I wish to be happy, then I must not be happy
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Mufungo]
#14493498 - 05/22/11 01:04 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Mufungo said:
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11. All suffering comes from the wish for your own happiness.
Perfect Buddhas are born from the thought to help others.
Therefore exchange your own happiness
For the suffering of others—
This is the practice of Bodhisattvas.
I like this one, as long as I don't try to analyse it.
The confusion I have when I do analyse it is, if suffering comes from the wish for our own happiness... then, how and why do I exchange my happiness for the suffering of others when all they have to do is stop wishing for their own happiness? Does it mean that I have to exchange my happiness through making others stop wishing? But, then looking from another perspective, I suppose if I'm not wishing for happiness and if I have happiness to exchange, then that suggests I am happy, and if I am happy, I can't imagine that I'd be suffering at the same time. Or I could interpret it as exchanging my own happiness to cause suffering of others... which sounds a little dark and not all that helpful of the bodhisattvas.. but maybe they have a different idea of what help is.
Think for yourself, that's all there is to it.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
#14493975 - 05/22/11 02:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
No reason? Is it just the nature of randomness?
Does buddhism ever get into the why aspect of suffering?
Also I'm not saying everything is suffering but it seems to be a truth about life, everyones got some sort of problems. EVen Steve JObs rich mofo has trouble with cancer.
The reason why is that this is a possible arrangement of matter when acted upon the forces of our universe.
Nice to see you back Icelander.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
#14495189 - 05/22/11 07:36 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
Does buddhism ever get into the why aspect of suffering?
I've always thought Buddhism is less about why, and more about how to deal with what there is.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Drise]
#14502868 - 05/24/11 06:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Drise said:
Entropy bro, universe is always trying to achieve a more stable state, life is trying to resist randomness, matter is constantly trying to get to the lowest energy state and we're just billions of chemical reactions synced perfectly until our machinery fucks up because shit is random and mutations give us cancer or destroy our DNA and breaks us down into individual molecules to be recycled by the Earth as it hurdles towards it's death.
Is life suffering or is consciousness suffering? The process of life is rather insignificant in other creatures, insects eat fuck and die. I think being aware of the processes going on around us makes consciousness shitty...maybe we'll develop technology to live forever but nature always wins man. We're going to send space ships to find a new planet in a galaxy where who knows what the fuck goes on? Maybe it will work. Probably not.
I often wonder is life a gift or a curse? Seeing life as perfectly unique and love it for that would be nice but seeing the stars makes me feel like there's no significance to our particular course of events, a blip in universal time.
I should believe in heaven.
From my (usually rather limited) frame of reference, I think the physical universe is (slowly) approaching maximum entropy (i.e. heat death) whilst consciousness is trying to achieve minimum entropy, along the way trying to experience something - anything, even something infinitesimally small but new/novel.
You have a frame of reference problem as well, or do you remember a past life as an insect?
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
#14503101 - 05/24/11 08:40 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
No reason? Is it just the nature of randomness?
Does buddhism ever get into the why aspect of suffering?
Also I'm not saying everything is suffering but it seems to be a truth about life, everyones got some sort of problems. EVen Steve JObs rich mofo has trouble with cancer.
Life has no measurement.If it is suffering, it ends with death, and that doesn't mean there will be good times, it only means suffering has ended, there will be no times.
If life is generally good, it ends also, but this doesn't mean the beginning of bad, just the end of something.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
#14507384 - 05/25/11 12:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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It's alllll ego!!
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pouihi
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suffering is subjective.
This actually wandered through my mind today as it has many other times.
For example... true suffering might be starvation, disease, homelessness or things of that sort, however most of us are fortunate not to be born with that sort of problem, so "we" tend to make problems out of simpler things which in fact don't pose a problem for one's survival.
I think we tend to complicate to much.
My parents died when I was 6 years old, and yes, obviously I endured great suffering dealing with it but I am able to say I am very fortunate as I was received by my uncles as one of their own and raised as such, they offered me all opportunities they could and did everything they could for me as my parents.
I always think things could be a lot worse and it's usually a very optimistic point of view.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
#14512657 - 05/26/11 01:04 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Buddhists say want is the root of all suffering. When you want something, you aren't content with what you already have, and thus subject to emotional suffering. Nirvana, the state of wanting nothing, is freedom from suffering.
If you truly want nothing, there's not anything that can make you suffer. Even pain would just be what it would be, since you wouldn't have the want to avoid it.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: xFrockx]
#14512669 - 05/26/11 01:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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wanting nothing is a want
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Lallafa]
#14512674 - 05/26/11 01:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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No. Actually that's not what I meant. You are using the word nothing as if it is a thing, and not the absence of a thing. What I meant to say is that nirvana is the state of not wanting.
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Lallafa
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Lallafa]
#14512676 - 05/26/11 01:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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desiring to obtain the mindstate of nirvana is a desire in itself, and its a real paradox.
its kind of like trying to fuck yourself in the ass while giving yourself a reach around.
if you sit down to meditate with the intention of reaching nirvana, you are approaching the situation already wanting something you cant grasp. i have found that nirvana comes without chasing it, it comes when you realize that you always have it.. its tricky
theres a special way to not think about it
i can teach you
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Edited by Lallafa (06/04/11 04:28 PM)
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xFrockx
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Lallafa]
#14512772 - 05/26/11 01:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Think about what?
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Lallafa
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: xFrockx]
#14512791 - 05/26/11 01:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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nothing.
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Lallafa]
#14512812 - 05/26/11 01:31 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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To not think about nothing? I don't have any trouble with that.
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Lallafa
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: xFrockx]
#14512926 - 05/26/11 01:47 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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sshhhhhh
its not that hard
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Lallafa]
#14512968 - 05/26/11 01:56 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Why are you shhing me? This is a text conversation. That's odd.
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