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 Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle?  [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14389164 - 05/02/11 05:15 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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You're an imbecile dude. I refute your garbage, claim-by-claim and all you can do is try to insult me. It's pretty obvious to any competent individual as to who is arguing more objectively, and using facts that are relevant to the argument.
I own you in every way possible with your "cannabis raises blood pressure and anything that does this fucks with your performance" bullshit, and now you have to nitpick and tell me it's the combustion materials that cause a BP increase. ( I think). Ingest it. Vaporizer. Problem solved.
....and as I've already said more than 3 times now, I'd still like to see how you came to the conclusion that higher blood pressure = shittier performance. Your heart rate AND blood pressure increases with caffeine in your system, but people still use that as a PERFORMANCE ENHANCER all the time.
The only facts you've brought up are your own opinion... which you then write FACT beside without providing any evidence. It's immature. Arguing with you is a waste of time. You had to opt out of ratings for a reason, cause you're an idiot and more people than not noticed. I wash my hands clean of this bullshit.
Hey idiot, wanna know what else increases blood pressure? STERIODS. LoL Just stfu now plz? kthx
Edited by CMACD (05/02/11 05:32 PM)
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14389386 - 05/02/11 05:45 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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CMACD said:
You're an imbecile dude. I refute your garbage, claim-by-claim and all you can do is try to insult me. It's pretty obvious to any competent individual as to who is arguing more objectively, and using facts that are relevant to the argument.
I own you in every way possible with your "cannabis raises blood pressure and anything that does this fucks with your performance" bullshit, and now you have to nitpick and tell me it's the combustion materials that cause a BP increase. ( I think). Ingest it. Vaporizer. Problem solved.
....and as I've already said more than 3 times now, I'd still like to see how you came to the conclusion that higher blood pressure = shittier performance. Your heart rate AND blood pressure increases with caffeine in your system, but people still use that as a PERFORMANCE ENHANCER all the time.
The only facts you've brought up are your own opinion... which you then write FACT beside without providing any evidence. It's immature. Arguing with you is a waste of time. You had to opt out of ratings for a reason, cause you're an idiot and more people than not noticed. I wash my hands clean of this bullshit.
Hey idiot, wanna know what else increases blood pressure? STERIODS. LoL Just stfu now plz? kthx
You hear what you want to hear. Steroids, we all know how good they are for the heart. Do you smoke your caffeine by the way? If you smoke before you lift your a fucking loser stoner. YOU WILL NOT PREFORM AS WELL. Like i said before its clear your an amateur lifter. Pot is good for everything brah. If you agree with this dumbfuck, might as well put me on ignore because i will talk shit to you.
Edited by Mush 4 Brains (05/02/11 08:16 PM)
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14389415 - 05/02/11 05:50 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Smoking half a pack of cigarettes before lifting is beneficial, prove me wrong
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14390275 - 05/02/11 08:11 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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cigarettes kill people. Thus, cant be beneficial. +1
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Clownswor]
#14390338 - 05/02/11 08:21 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Clownswor said:
cigarettes kill people. Thus, cant be beneficial. +1
Cannabis has contributed to peoples deaths thus can't be beneficial. Water too.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14390434 - 05/02/11 08:35 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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I bet your loser ass gets high at work, that is if you do work.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14393692 - 05/03/11 12:08 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Eh, I take care of my great grandma at night. So yes i do have a job, do i smoke at it? no that's irresponsible . Also how very mature of you to go right for name calling. No Documented case of death from Pot has been seen or presented so as far as I am concerned it doesn't happen. As far as water killing you, of course ever herd of people drowning ( i know your talking about hyper-hydration).
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14394101 - 05/03/11 02:00 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said:
I bet your loser ass gets high at work, that is if you do work.
Insults because you can't prove your claim?
Gotcha. You must be a kid, lolz.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#14395036 - 05/03/11 05:47 PM (2 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mush4brains, do you really think you are going to get a point across to people by harassing them through the internet? You're a fucking joke. If a person believes marijuana helps them workout and has evidence through their own self observation; let them continue to do it, even if the results are placebo.
I understand smoking low grade before working out is stupid, have you ever heard of a high potency sativa strain making someone tired or lazy? You obviously haven't smoked any, I know my endurance drastically increased simply from the psychological effects from a vaped high potency sativa strain. I don't have any personal evidence for the use during heavy lifting, however, when you account the high differentiation of effects different individuals get, arguing over the internet makes you look like a fucking retard, prove me wrong.
I agree weed isn't good for everything for everyone, but as i said, stfu, nobody cares - quit trying to find love and respect on the interwebs.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: phrenism]
#14395290 - 05/03/11 06:44 PM (2 years, 20 days ago) |
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Looking for love in all the wrong places you say? No just dispelling some hipster dbag stoner myth. I wasnt being insulting at first, just stating the facts- youre an idiot that likes wasting time if you lift stoned. Weed is not a performance enhancing drug, end of story. Anyone who says otherwise is an amateur.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14396685 - 05/03/11 10:39 PM (2 years, 20 days ago) |
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Do you have any studies saying its not? Only thing iv seen you say is from maybe your experience Just cause you think it isn't doesn't mean it ain't (mmm triple negative). I take Jack3d as my pre-workout, but i usually smoke something in the morning so i can stretch my muscles better, which in turn causes enhanced performance.
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Most big juicers I know from the scene (competitive or steroid dealing scene) are big stoners. Virtually no side affects, helps increase mental focus and loosens stiff joints and it helps to pound down food if you need an extra kick.
I've only not smoked before the gym a few times in the last 4-5 years. I still have a good work out but it's unlike working out stoned. I almost fiend for a toke + the gym.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: browndustin]
#14404817 - 05/05/11 01:29 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ya well they're juicing, so that right there shows how their thinking is off. There is nothing you smoke that is a performance enhancer.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14405633 - 05/05/11 04:41 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
If you get even a little high before or during a workout you're wasting your time. Ive seen so many threads where people claim getting high before a work out is beneficial. Its fucking not, quit being retarded now people. Fact- Pot WILL make you lazy and WILL rob you of energy. Thats why you smoke afterwards to unwind.
Pot might make YOU lazy and rob YOU of energy...
I smoke every single time I work out/exercise.
I smoke before lifting weights, before riding my bike, etc...and I notice absolutely NO difference to my overall performance.
Personally I love the high that comes from exercising. Combined with the stoney high from pot...it makes for a very interesting high. I love it 
OP - smoking weed won't affect your ability to gain unless you let it. Lots of people smoke & don't feel like working out 
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: browndustin]
#14406305 - 05/05/11 07:03 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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I've actually never heard of anyone who is "big time" in bodybuilding who uses herb before lifting sessions. Do you have any interviews that you could link?
I'm certainly not saying "stoners" are lazy... as with "alcoholics," obesity rates are actually lower than for the general population (it's speculated that those who don't derive pleasure from drugs are more likely to do so from junk food.)
However, I've never heard of it, & I've read a fair amt. of bodybuilding literature. If, as some here claim, that it not only doesn't hinder but actually can help, then certainly at least someone in the upper echelons of the game should be able to testify.
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It's not so much about being high while working out...I'm asking whether or not long-term pot use affects muscle gains. I've heard that pot lowers your testosterone, which leads me to think it would also make it harder to gain muscle right? Not so much because it decreases motivation but because it lowers testosterone.
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I've not seen that any study to show that responsible, moderate use of herb has a statistically significant effect on lowering testosterone levels over a duration of time. More casually, this can be sort of be debunked by the experiences of people who have/do use marijuana & have achieved impressive results. Better results without perhaps? Again, I haven't seen such a study. However, if a study is unbiased (including funding source) & properly conducted, I would be open to the results if it could be replicated by other researchers... although I'm skeptical that 3-5 times a week would have any pronounced affect.
Regardless, any potential negatives from such use are likely less than alcohol & aspirin, as these have mechanisms of action to account for their effects. If someone has a mode of action as to how relatively low levels of cannabinoids from mj decrease testosterone, it would be interesting to look at. If you are either a heavy user and/or you smoke a lot of low-quality stuff, that would be much more likely to have a negative impact... both for direct & indirect reasons, as is the case with alcohol.
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A guy who works out with me comes in baked as fuck everytime. and hes doing good
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14416277 - 05/07/11 08:32 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Looking for love in all the wrong places you say? No just dispelling some hipster dbag stoner myth. I wasnt being insulting at first, just stating the facts- youre an idiot that likes wasting time if you lift stoned. Weed is not a performance enhancing drug, end of story. Anyone who says otherwise is an amateur.
And since when did the world revolve around your words as fact?
Oh yeah, it doesn't. Getting stoned and lifting isn't wasting time nooblet
no one is saying its performance enhancing, we're just saying its not that bad like you make it out to be. Jesus christ. You're acting like its the antichrist or something 
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14416308 - 05/07/11 08:40 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said:
There is nothing you smoke that is a performance enhancer.
you've never smoked meth? and yes weed can definitely be a performance enhancer
be honest with yourself, you're just throwing the possibility out the window for personal gain of some sort 
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