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 Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle?  [Re: owls]
#14361840 - 04/27/11 05:50 PM (2 years, 24 days ago) |
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just do what works for you then and shut the fuck up 
I'l shut the fuck up when dumbass stoners wake up and realize that pot isnt great for EVERYTHING.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: owls]
#14362886 - 04/27/11 08:44 PM (2 years, 24 days ago) |
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If somebody wants to smoke b4 exercising, esp more strictly cardio stuff, then of course they are free to do so... but if we are talking heavy, intensive lifting sessions to gain maximal muscle mass... then it will hinder performance, as well as be dangerous if you are really pushing yourself to the extent that you need to be to stimulate maximal growth. That evening or night after having lifted some time earlier in the day... go for it as I don't think it hurts, esp compared to alcohol.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14366579 - 04/28/11 01:58 PM (2 years, 23 days ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said:
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owls said:
just do what works for you then and shut the fuck up
I'l shut the fuck up when dumbass stoners wake up and realize that pot isnt great for EVERYTHING.
Yes it is and nothing you can say will change that. Pot before and after workouts is awesome.
And you know what? I'm still getting stronger, I'm still gaining endurance, I'm more flexible. Counter productive my ass. Counter productive would be drinking 4 shots, working out, drinking 4 more shots, and continue drinking throughout the day. THAT is counter productive. But taking a hit or two before and after is certainly not.
If there is results, what is the problem? I'm not trying to be no fucking Ronnie Coleman. I'm nice and lean and pot has been here the entire time
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#14377663 - 04/30/11 03:18 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yes it is and nothing you can say will change that. Pot before and after workouts is awesome.
I hope that is sarcasm, bc if not, then it makes great prohibitionist propaganda. Regardless, mj (b4 lifting) will most certainly not help one lift with the intensity and precision that they require for appreciable muscle gain. Also, it is dangerous. To say otherwise would be indicative of someone who doesn't lift w/intensity needed for impressive gains.
If someone wants to smoke & then have a half-ass lifting session w/minimal gains to show for it, then go ahead. IMO, it's either go heavy or go home... that it's a waste of time to do anything less than 100% (unless it's a rare circumstance where you can't go 100% for like a wk, so you do one or two 'maintainable' sessions during that time... but to each their own.
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I don't know why you assume getting high equates to less of a workout (or even marginally less gains, got proof?). I can lift just as much high as I can sober. I don't workout "half-assed" either, again, you just assume.
Pot is awesome. If it is not for you before workouts, don't do it. I don't really care. Whatever works for you buddy.
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Yes it is and nothing you can say will change that. Pot before and after workouts is awesome.
I hope that is sarcasm, bc if not, then it makes great prohibitionist propaganda. Regardless, mj (b4 lifting) will most certainly not help one lift with the intensity and precision that they require for appreciable muscle gain. Also, it is dangerous. To say otherwise would be indicative of someone who doesn't lift w/intensity needed for impressive gains.
If someone wants to smoke & then have a half-ass lifting session w/minimal gains to show for it, then go ahead. IMO, it's either go heavy or go home... that it's a waste of time to do anything less than 100% (unless it's a rare circumstance where you can't go 100% for like a wk, so you do one or two 'maintainable' sessions during that time... but to each their own.
get your macho bs out. pot does not effect motor control
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: wellage]
#14380043 - 05/01/11 12:50 AM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yes it is and nothing you can say will change that. Pot before and after workouts is awesome.
I hope that is sarcasm, bc if not, then it makes great prohibitionist propaganda. Regardless, mj (b4 lifting) will most certainly not help one lift with the intensity and precision that they require for appreciable muscle gain. Also, it is dangerous. To say otherwise would be indicative of someone who doesn't lift w/intensity needed for impressive gains.
If someone wants to smoke & then have a half-ass lifting session w/minimal gains to show for it, then go ahead. IMO, it's either go heavy or go home... that it's a waste of time to do anything less than 100% (unless it's a rare circumstance where you can't go 100% for like a wk, so you do one or two 'maintainable' sessions during that time... but to each their own.
get your macho bs out. pot does not effect motor control
EntheogenicPeace was being rather respectful considering the idiocy displayed. If anybody im the macho ass. And im ok with that.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#14382216 - 05/01/11 01:48 PM (2 years, 20 days ago) |
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I don't need proof to show that inebriating drugs hinder lifting performance. If you are making the claim, then you would need to provide the proof, such as posting a pic of someone who uses cannabis before their workouts & has achieved impressive results.
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No, you are the one making the claim. Did you forget that you wrote this?
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Yes it is and nothing you can say will change that. Pot before and after workouts is awesome.
If someone wants to smoke & then have a half-ass lifting session w/minimal gains to show for it, then go ahead. IMO, it's either go heavy or go home... that it's a waste of time to do anything less than 100% (unless it's a rare circumstance where you can't go 100% for like a wk, so you do one or two 'maintainable' sessions during that time... but to each their own.
I am saying (from experience) that I can lift just as hard and heavy stoned as I can sober. Why? I go weeks without smoking and then sometimes I binge on weed, and it has no obvious effect. My personal anecdotal experience (Yes, I am a real human being, guy) is that pot does NOT effect motor control, it does NOT make you weak, and with no scientific proof, you can't make a claim that pot hinders performance. Pot is hardly inebriating, especially to a seasoned stoner, its just normal.
PS. You're "Go 100% or go home" mentality is full of shit. You can still see results as long as you are doing something.
What are you guys? Ronnie Coleman? LOL
I bet you guys are just full of shit. If you guys are so strong lets see pics with proof since you guys are so knowledgeable.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#14384543 - 05/01/11 09:49 PM (2 years, 20 days ago) |
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PS. You're "Go 100% or go home" mentality is full of shit. You can still see results as long as you are doing something.
Actual, it's based on science as found in exercise physiology-oriented journals, lifting w/sufficient intensity to have a statistically significant reduction in the biosynthesis of myostatin (heard of it?) For the vast majority of ppl, lifting with the intensity needed to achieve this (w/o which impressive gains are not possible, for the vast majority of ppl & i'm not aware of any exceptions off top of my head), using marijuana b4hand is dangerous... some exercises more than others i will concede.
Also, on a related note, if your want some more science (or BS as you like to call it), free weights stimulate more testosterone synthesis than machines, the latter of which would of course be less dangerous than free weights, w/ or w/o herb. The reason for this is bc more muscles are brought into play stabilizing the weights & when bringing up or setting down the bell(s). This is the same reason that including "compound" exercises like bench presses, deadlifts, & squats in one's regimen will over time lead to more impressive results than someone who doesn't, all other factors constant, bc they will have more of the growth hormones & less myostatin in their body.
For example, if you do squats starting w/barbell starting on the ground & returning it there after the set, of appropriate weight so that you can only do 12-15 reps (though I think I was down to 10 on this occasion bc I hadn't yet learned reps for lower body should be a bit higher than upper body), I almost had an "accident" once from about losing my balance that could've really sucked. I've also once did something to a muscle or nerve in my lower back doing deadlifts (8-12 max range usually for upper body exercises) that fortunately healed on its own in 1-2 mo., but I had thought to go to a doctor b4 too long if it didn't get better.
For most people the amt of weight that they lift will not be improved by using mj b4hand, & I would guess it would be less for vast majority of ppl (& no I don't have the studies bc I don't think there are any, since serious weight lifters and/or trainers have never entertained the idea to try it, understandably so.) regardless if one could do the same weight on "safe" exercises, for most ppl it would add additional risk to those exercises w/greater possibility of danger (if one is lifting sufficiently intense to stimulate higher growth hormones & lower myostatin), which is why I would absolutely advise any inquisitive novice against it, as was the original Q, I believe.
If I were to make the claim that a couple of shots of alcohol pre-workout improves performance, then I have the burden of proof, not someone else who is skeptical having the burden of proof to refute it, which wouldn't be possible if no one has done it. I'm not aware of anyone w/an impressive physique in terms of muscular development who smokes pre-workout. maybe there are a few, but they would be in the minority.
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I bet you guys are just full of shit. If you guys are so strong lets see pics with proof since you guys are so knowledgeable.
mush 4 brains just keeps repeating himself. The only difference it makes is the one in your head.
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FACT- You raise your blood pressure significantly after smoking. FACT- Anything that does that is counter-productive to a workout. End of story. Dont believe the facts well than thats your delusion.
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MJ increases blood pressure significantly? show me the comparison in a study then? As far as I can read, it lowers blood pressure, increases heart rate. I don't think "increased blood pressure coming into a workout = diminished performance/gains" is really a fact, just a conclusion you jumped to.
and you know what else actually raises blood pressure significantly? ever heard of caffeine? I guess everyone who uses that before a workout is wasting their time too?
GSP, Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar etc etc all get DRUG TESTED, idiot...
I mentioned cardiovascular exercise because you didn't really say anything about it affecting weight training significantly.. just kept spitting out the same "weed makes you lazy" rhetoric.
So sorry that marijuana doesn't hinder my performance. I'd really like to agree with you, but just can't find a fact to support your claim. Also the anecdotal reports of most people that lift when high mostly say: It has a negligible, but if anything positive effect.
For safety sure, if you're not an experienced smoker or lifter I would know what you're doing before giving it a try.
and yeah, you probably are stronger than me ATM. I've been hopping around with a broken tibia & whiplashed/torn shoulders for a month lol
and hey, even if someone posts some studies specifically detailing how dope hinders a workout: I don't give a fuck, I guess my genes are superior enough to compensate because I typically make gains faster than most people, pothead or non. LoLoL
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14388496 - 05/02/11 03:02 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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your ideas are stupid
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14388506 - 05/02/11 03:04 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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GSP, Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar etc etc all get DRUG TESTED, idiot...
Otherwise theyd be chiefing mad blunts before workouts right brah?
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14388531 - 05/02/11 03:10 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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... my ideas are stupid. That's your argument now? LoL okay. I know why you had to opt out of ratings now, haha.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14388542 - 05/02/11 03:12 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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GSP, Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar etc etc all get DRUG TESTED, idiot...
Otherwise theyd be chiefing mad blunts before workouts right brah?
well, nick diaz, the strikeforce welterweight champion once advocated it before they took his victory against Gomi from him for testing positive 
guy's also got the best cardio in the division. I know you already snobbed me out with the "this isn't about cardio" thing, but the only misinformation you posted was the blood pressure thingy, which is probably going to affect cardio performance more than weight training...
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14388586 - 05/02/11 03:20 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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If pot doesnt raise your blood pressure, why do your eyes get red after smoking? Who brainwashed you?  Not much more can be said, you're so wrong its not even worth arguing.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14388675 - 05/02/11 03:37 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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Then why don't people's faces go red after they smoke? MJ does stuff to the pressure in your eyes, it's why it's prescribed to people with glaucoma.
and, I said even if it DOES (which you haven't posted any evidence for), you still have to explain the conclusion you jumped to of increased blood pressure = decreased performance.
I google marijuana blood pressure and guess what the results tell me:
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Effects of Marijuana - The Health Effects of Marijuana
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to ...
Marijuana Problem Screening Quiz - What Are Hallucinogens?
alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm - Cached - Similar
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Does smoking pot increase or decrease blood pressure? - Marijuana.com
12 Apr 2011 ... Is there any information on whether smoking pot can increase or decrease your blood pressure? I am a daily smoker (12 years) and have just been.
www.marijuana.com › Lifestyle › Surveys, Polls and Questions - Cached
high blood pressure and marijuana... bad? - 3 Feb 2011
High Blood Pressure - 10 Sep 2007
Effects of smoke on bloodpressure/pulse - 26 Aug 2007
Cannabis: Blood Pressure & Strokes - 21 Feb 2005
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Cannabis (drug) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The word marijuana comes from the Mexican Spanish word, marihuana. ..... lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term and working memory, ...
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Medical Marijuana and Blood Pressure | Kort Explores
Smoking medical marijuana to treat my form of ADD (RBS - Racing Brain Syndrome) also reduced my blood pressure down to the normal range (120/80). ...
but yeah, the top google results are wrong. So is the sources wikipedia cites, right? Just shut the fuck up already.
Marijuanas physiological effects are negligible to exercise for me. Also for everyone I know that a) works out regularly and b) smokes weed regularly.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14388925 - 05/02/11 04:27 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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Then why don't people's faces go red after they smoke? MJ does stuff to the pressure in your eyes, it's why it's prescribed to people with glaucoma.
and, I said even if it DOES (which you haven't posted any evidence for), you still have to explain the conclusion you jumped to of increased blood pressure = decreased performance.
I google marijuana blood pressure and guess what the results tell me:
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Effects of Marijuana - The Health Effects of Marijuana
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to ...
Marijuana Problem Screening Quiz - What Are Hallucinogens?
alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm - Cached - Similar
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Does smoking pot increase or decrease blood pressure? - Marijuana.com
12 Apr 2011 ... Is there any information on whether smoking pot can increase or decrease your blood pressure? I am a daily smoker (12 years) and have just been.
www.marijuana.com › Lifestyle › Surveys, Polls and Questions - Cached
high blood pressure and marijuana... bad? - 3 Feb 2011
High Blood Pressure - 10 Sep 2007
Effects of smoke on bloodpressure/pulse - 26 Aug 2007
Cannabis: Blood Pressure & Strokes - 21 Feb 2005
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Cannabis (drug) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The word marijuana comes from the Mexican Spanish word, marihuana. ..... lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term and working memory, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug) - Cached - Similar
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Medical Marijuana and Blood Pressure | Kort Explores
Smoking medical marijuana to treat my form of ADD (RBS - Racing Brain Syndrome) also reduced my blood pressure down to the normal range (120/80). ...
but yeah, the top google results are wrong. So is the sources wikipedia cites, right? Just shut the fuck up already.
Marijuanas physiological effects are negligible to exercise for me. Also for everyone I know that a) works out regularly and b) smokes weed regularly.
 seriously brainwashed. Oh yeah wiki is know for its accuracy, thats why most schools wont let you use them as a source. ALL smoking raises your blood pressure. Common knowledge stuff, Your making your heart work harder when you workout high. Don't believe it, thats your psychological problem. Quit spreading misinformation
Within a few minutes after inhaling marijuana smoke, an individual's heart rate speeds up, the bronchial passages relax and become enlarged, and blood vessels in the eyes expand, making the eyes look red. The heart rate—normally 70 to 80 beats per minute—may increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, or may even double in some cases. Taking other drugs with marijuana can amplify this effect.
"Limited evidence suggests that a person's risk of heart attack during the first hour after smoking marijuana is four times his or her usual risk. This observation could be partly explained by marijuana raising blood pressure and heart rate and reducing the blood's capacity to carry oxygen. Such possibilities need to be examined more closely, particularly since current marijuana users include adults from the baby boomer generation, who may have other cardiovascular risks that may increase their vulnerability."http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/marijuana3.html
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14389081 - 05/02/11 04:58 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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I said the sources wikipedia cites.
it also just happened to be the top google result, which was all I was posting.
Guess what retard... your e-quotes don't state anything about marijuana increasing blood pressure. I already stated that the heart rate increases(while blood pressure DROPS), thanks for re-stating it.
your last post still doesn't cite any sources that verify anything about cannabis' effects on exercise. You're more likely to have a heart attack on stimulants too, it doesn't mean they hinder your performance or gains.
You have no evidence, just more conclusion-jumping.
I guess adrenaline is bad for exercise too, eh?
Edited by CMACD (05/02/11 05:03 PM)
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14389099 - 05/02/11 05:02 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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ha ha Quote:
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I said the sources wikipedia cites.
it also just happened to be the top google result, which was all I was posting.
Guess what retard... your e-quotes don't state anything about marijuana increasing blood pressure. I already stated that the heart rate increases(while blood pressure DROPS), thanks for re-stating it.
your last post still doesn't cite any sources that verify anything about cannabis' effects on exercise. You're more likely to have a heart attack on stimulants too, it doesn't mean they hinder your performance or gains.
You have no evidence, just more conclusion-jumping.
I get it now, you don't know how to read.
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