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#14363254 - 04/27/11 09:59 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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theology can be considered a science.
If theology were a science then it would be possible to perform repeatable, empirical theological experiments... can you name any that fall under this category?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: deCypher]
#14365213 - 04/28/11 06:52 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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here's all of that quote just for clarity.
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i think hard sciences and social sciences (which i consider theology, in some cases, to be) deal in distinctly different areas and serve completely different purposes, but still, when approached in a certain way, theology can be considered a science.
in the case of thomas aquinas, theology was scientific because he established an aristotelian line of logic through scripture and used faith and its articles as the framework from which truths can be demonstrated and arguments can be made, providing each participant has faith to begin with. i equate it to politics or practicing law. politics, law and theology are based off of psychology and sociology, much in the same way that immunology is based off of microbiology. and when you get into kabbalistic magick and other mystical practices, it's very scientific. "the method of science with the aim of religion" as crowley put it. do x and y will happen. very distinct methodology for investigation and the repetition of experiments.
and again, i'm not saying that religion is in any way a hard science, nor am i pitting it against the hard sciences. there's room for both in the world.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
#14365882 - 04/28/11 11:12 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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They weren't sciences, either.
not true. with the advent of the university in medieval europe and the rise of scholasticism, theology was considered a science. in fact thomas aquinas called theology "the highest science". don't get me wrong though, i think hard sciences and social sciences (which i consider theology, in some cases, to be) deal in distinctly different areas and serve completely different purposes, but still, when approached in a certain way, theology can be considered a science.
Only in an alternate universe where the word "science" means something entirely different than it does in this one. And you are quite right that much of the social sciences aren't science either. Not all but a significant amount.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366201 - 04/28/11 12:42 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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it's known as soft science
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14366304 - 04/28/11 01:05 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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it's known as soft science
It's known as bullshit to me. Really, has one fucking thing Sigmund Fraud said been of any use, except about cigars, which was a self repudiation.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366446 - 04/28/11 01:35 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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yes, he taught us that there is in fact a SUBconscious aspect to our reality that we aren't always aware of, and that this informs many of our actions. It was actually a revolution in human thought.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14366477 - 04/28/11 01:40 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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yes, he taught us that there is in fact a SUBconscious aspect to our reality that we aren't always aware of, and that this informs many of our actions. It was actually a revolution in human thought.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366479 - 04/28/11 01:40 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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nice thoughtful response, you're clearly correct
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14366532 - 04/28/11 01:50 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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The idea that there were subconscious things going on in the mind did not originate with Freud (see Pavlov, for one) and I submit that his purely speculative and, in my opinion, perverse notions about what was going on set back the study of the mind by decades. Not one single thing he proposed is even remotely valid.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366899 - 04/28/11 03:15 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Well much of it has been overturned but the fact that he linked behavior to sexual neuroses and stuff is fairly valid, that really does explain lots of behavior even if we have much more sophisticated models these days. Freudian analysis was predominant in psychology for much of the 20th century
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14366993 - 04/28/11 03:32 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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he taught us that there is in fact a SUBconscious aspect to our reality that we aren't always aware of
So we aren't aware of it and that's how we know it exists. Did I get it right?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14367133 - 04/28/11 04:01 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Not one single thing he proposed is even remotely valid.
Sigmund Freud
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Freud is best known for his theories of the unconscious mind and the mechanism of repression, and for creating the clinical method of psychoanalysis for investigating the mind and treating psychopathology through dialogue between a patient (or "analysand") and a psychoanalyst.
You really think his theories on the unconscious mind, the mechanism of repression, and the clinical method of psychoanalysis (which is still used today) is not remotely valid? 
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
#14367275 - 04/28/11 04:27 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Freud is best known for his theories of the unconscious mind and the mechanism of repression, and for creating the clinical method of psychoanalysis for investigating the mind and treating psychopathology through dialogue between a patient (or "analysand") and a psychoanalyst.
You really think the unconscious mind, the mechanism of repression, and the clinical method of psychoanalysis (which is still used today) is not remotely valid?
I just don't get how posts like these are not breaking the rules
no, you're not criticizing his argument. Your graemlin is a reference to this person's overall character
you did the same thing with guruu
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You believe this may be true, but you have absolutely no evidence to back it up.
So i guess if you type a sentence that refers to their argument, you are free to use whatever graemlin you want to imply the insult that would be against the rules if it were typed as a word
I see this often, and not just with poid. I'm not trying to be a rule nazi but I think it's unfair that some can freely attack other people's overall character with slightly clever use of graemlins, yet others get banned for it because they didn't use a graemlin
shit, i once got banned from the pub for referring to MYSELF as a 
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I'm sure you'd like to think so. 
You are sure, but you have no evidence to back it up
Does favoritism happen with this forum and its moderating?  sometimes it seems like it. Or maybe you just have to know the proper way to work around the rules and you can get away with all the personal attacks you want.
it also naturally provokes people to retaliate with insults of their own, especially newcomers, and not understanding this graemlin loophole they use words and get a warning/ban
if it hurt my feelings so bad I wanted to cry about it i would have been bitching about this a lot for quite a while now.
It just seems pretty hypocritical and takes away from the integrity of this forum, especially when its the more frequent posters who do this most frequently (some weeks more than others).
carry on
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: the bizzle]
#14367294 - 04/28/11 04:31 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Apparently, the use of emoticons to associate certain arguments with stupidity is appropriate according to the rules.
A lot of the "debate" that goes on here is comprised of subtle and not-so-subtle attempts to find ways around the rules against ad hominem arguments and personal insults.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: the bizzle]
#14367308 - 04/28/11 04:33 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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the bizzle said:
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Freud is best known for his theories of the unconscious mind and the mechanism of repression, and for creating the clinical method of psychoanalysis for investigating the mind and treating psychopathology through dialogue between a patient (or "analysand") and a psychoanalyst.
You really think the unconscious mind, the mechanism of repression, and the clinical method of psychoanalysis (which is still used today) is not remotely valid?
I just don't get how posts like these are not breaking the rules
I'm not surprised in the least.
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Does favoritism happen with this forum and its moderating? sometimes it seems like it.
What favoritism? Any user can type exactly what I did and not get punished, it's not against the rules.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: BlindSophist]
#14367342 - 04/28/11 04:39 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Apparently, the use of emoticons to associate certain arguments with stupidity is appropriate according to the rules.
A lot of the "debate" that goes on here is comprised of subtle and not-so-subtle attempts to find ways around the rules against ad hominem arguments and personal insults.
it is encouraged to criticize the arguments. Stupid, retarded, half-witted arguments. Really dumb ideas. Even intelligent people have some really dumb ideas
that is completely different from inferring "to say something like that you must be retarded in general"
but with graemlins and insinuation, not direct words... still, it doesn't take too much intelligence to see when it is the person in general who is being insulted, not the idea or argument presented. But oh well, that's what this forum is, I guess
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: the bizzle]
#14367354 - 04/28/11 04:40 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah. I hope I don't get banned for saying this, but many people here are not particularly intellectually involved in debate and just happen to be bored and cynical.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: BlindSophist]
#14367367 - 04/28/11 04:42 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Hey, at least someone can see that. All is well 
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: BlindSophist]
#14367405 - 04/28/11 04:49 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah. I hope I don't get banned for saying this, but many people here are not particularly intellectually involved in debate and just happen to be bored and cynical.
Probably because they've heard it all before.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14367903 - 04/28/11 06:13 PM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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Only in an alternate universe where the word "science" means something entirely different than it does in this one. And you are quite right that much of the social sciences aren't science either. Not all but a significant amount.
explain why, in your opinion, which of the social sciences shouldn't be qualified as such.
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