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 Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run  [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14342137 - 04/24/11 05:55 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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He is just acknowledging the major contributors to the forum.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Diploid]
#14342749 - 04/24/11 11:37 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run with religious bullshit?
Well, I won't disagree that religion is bullshit. Be that as it may, it can definitely fall under the Sociology rubric. I argued against adding that to the forum name during the last renaming round, but I was overruled.
And no, religion is not philosophy.
I'm not so sure about that given that there is an entire branch of philosophy dedicated to religion.
There are philosophical discussions about pretty much everything. That doesn't mean everything is philosophy.
Philosophy is a free ranging discussion without boundaries. Religion is the exact opposite. It is dogmatism and stricture. I believe religious discussion belongs elsewhere. Almost invariably it comes down to the vast majority here screaming "religion sucks and is for stupid people", which is kind of a dogma in it's own way. It bores the shit out of me. That is why I referred to it as "religious bullshit".
Oh yeah,
HAPPY EASTER YOU STUPID FUCKING CHRISTIANS!
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: the bizzle]
#14342836 - 04/24/11 12:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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What the fuck are you talking about? Is what I said untrue in any way, shape, or form?
Are you alright there? 
I'm just saying, your poid is showing
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
#14342922 - 04/24/11 12:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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If someone excludes religion from the discussion of wisdom then they are being no less dogmatic or close minded than the theologian who refuses to account for scientific data that flies in the face of his faith.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: ShroomScape]
#14342929 - 04/24/11 12:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think the endless bleat here that "religion is for idiots" qualifies as a discussion of wisdom.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14343077 - 04/24/11 01:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
with religious bullshit? There is already another forum for that. And no, religion is not philosophy.
i disagree.
each person has their own philosophy regarding their chosen religious path. so each subjective religious experience is a philosophy in and of itself in regards to the believer.
just because it isn't your philosophy doesn't mean it isn't a philosophical concept.
but did you actually want to discuss this?
or were you complaining...
because if you were complaining aren't you just contributing to the "over-running" of this forum?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: teknix]
#14343238 - 04/24/11 02:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said:
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Diploid said:
Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run with religious bullshit?
Well, I won't disagree that religion is bullshit. Be that as it may, it can definitely fall under the Sociology rubric. I argued against adding that to the forum name during the last renaming round, but I was overruled.
And no, religion is not philosophy.
I'm not so sure about that given that there is an entire branch of philosophy dedicated to religion.
Then just out of curiosity, why do you remain moderating something that you despise?
Why do you post such and obvious strawman?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: desert father]
#14343491 - 04/24/11 03:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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desert father said:
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zappaisgod said:
with religious bullshit? There is already another forum for that. And no, religion is not philosophy.
i disagree.
each person has their own philosophy regarding their chosen religious path. so each subjective religious experience is a philosophy in and of itself in regards to the believer.
just because it isn't your philosophy doesn't mean it isn't a philosophical concept.
Religion is not philosophy. It is not a free discussion of anything. It is dogma. There is no room for philosophical debate regharding religion. It doesn't allow for it.Quote:
but did you actually want to discuss this?
or were you complaining...
because if you were complaining aren't you just contributing to the "over-running" of this forum?
If this cleans the forum up I have performed a janitorial service that I think is much needed.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14343726 - 04/24/11 04:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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religion is dogma if that's the way you choose to interpret it...which it is obvious that you have.
i'm just saying that to each individual there is an individual understanding and interpretation of religion and religious topics.
do you think a priest approaches his spirituality the same way that a sunday church goer does?
do you think that a sunday church goer approaches his spirituality in the same way that i do?
no, and that's the point man, you can't just generalize people into groups, it's dangerous.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: desert father]
#14343729 - 04/24/11 04:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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desert father said:
no, and that's the point man, you can't just generalize people into groups, it's dangerous.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: desert father]
#14343758 - 04/24/11 04:34 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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desert father said:
religion is dogma if that's the way you choose to interpret it...which it is obvious that you have.
i'm just saying that to each individual there is an individual understanding and interpretation of religion and religious topics.
do you think a priest approaches his spirituality the same way that a sunday church goer does?
do you think that a sunday church goer approaches his spirituality in the same way that i do?
no, and that's the point man, you can't just generalize people into groups, it's dangerous.
That discussion would be more appropriate in the spirituality forum, wouldn't it?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
#14344093 - 04/24/11 05:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poid said:
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desert father said:
no, and that's the point man, you can't just generalize people into groups, it's dangerous.
It's only people who take these generalizations seriously that are dangerous.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
#14344098 - 04/24/11 05:58 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are philosophical discussions about pretty much everything.
That's true, but there isn't an entire branch of philosophy dedicated to pretty much everything. Meanwhile, the Philosophy of Religion IS a main branch of philosophy.
Arguing against that is like arguing that logic or epistemology or some other branch of philosophy doesn't belong in this forum.
From the Stanford University Encyclopedia of Philosophy:
[The branch of philosophy known as] Philosophy of Religion is the philosophical examination of the central themes and concepts involved in religious traditions. It involves all the main areas of philosophy: metaphysics, epistemology, logic, ethics and value theory, the philosophy of language, philosophy of science, law, sociology, politics, history, and so on. Philosophy of religion also includes an investigation into the religious significance of historical events (e.g., the Holocaust) and general features of the cosmos (e.g., laws of nature, the emergence of conscious life, widespread testimony of religious significance, and so on).
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-religion/#FieSig
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Diploid]
#14344444 - 04/24/11 07:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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You still haven't presented any reason why this endless religious argument does not have a more suitable forum. By your universal definition of philosophy there is nothing that is not within its purview, including OTD scat porn and snuff films.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod] 3
#14344581 - 04/24/11 07:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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You still haven't presented any reason why this endless religious argument does not have a more suitable forum
It's a matter of degree.
Religion discussion is more suitable in the S&M forum in the context of everyone agreeing and singing Kumbaya together. It's more suitable here in the context of debating its merits (or lack of) and its influence on the course of human events.
Similarly, most politics might be better suited to the Politics forum, but politics is a branch of philosophy too, and that discussion has a home here if the OP wants to discuss the philosophy of politics and the nature of government rather than the spin and marketing of politicians and popular media.
By your universal definition of philosophy there is nothing that is not within its purview, including OTD scat porn and snuff films.
That's pretty much true. Under the sociology rubric, almost anything is apropos here. That's why I opposed adding it to the forum name. But against my objection, here we are.
And while scat porn and snuff films themselves aren't kosher here [haha, religion pun], discussion on their sociological, psychological and even philosophical underpinnings is.
As you yourself said:
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Philosophy is a free ranging discussion without boundaries.
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If there is a creator, he definitely has a sense of humor.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Diploid]
#14344617 - 04/24/11 07:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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no more drugs for me, pussy and religion is all i need
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14344792 - 04/24/11 08:31 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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philosophy and religion intersect because they both deal with metaphysical concepts. classical philosophers like plato and aristotle both had a major influence on christianity. imo philosophical arguments over religion belong here.
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g00ru
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
#14344952 - 04/24/11 09:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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the philosophies of all major religions, at least their mystic traditions, are very valid, but their vocabulary is so different not only from each other but from western philosophy that it won't appear as such unless you know how to put the puzzle pieces together. It's a common misconception that religions don't agree with each other philosophically; in fact they can all be placed in perfect accord.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14345470 - 04/24/11 10:40 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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the observer is the eye in the sky and if youre as high as i, the eye is i!
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g00ru
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: astral czar]
#14345480 - 04/24/11 10:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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i and i dig that post mon
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