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 Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? 
#14221576 - 04/01/11 05:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Japan got hit way worse than haiti, new orleans or anyplace else. They were #3 largest economy. Now, who knows? Plus the radiation going into the environment. Is this the straw that will break the worlds back?
USA auto production is already declining due to lack of parts. Japan was a big customer of many companies and industries. What will happen next?
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Stonehenge]
#14224216 - 04/02/11 02:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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if that is the case i don't think it will take other nations(like china)
very long to pickup the slack.plus if possible most corporations usually have redundancy for suppliers of high importance items
other countries are probably drooling at the open slots
and hey it might be good for-us competition and price wars
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Micawber]
#14224226 - 04/02/11 02:06 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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actually all that could come of this is good for the usa
we supply them with paper currency 
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what really makes me sad (besides the obvious losses)
is the loss of research projects that were no doubt going on
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Micawber]
#14226070 - 04/02/11 03:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't accept the notion that it will be good for the global economy. They are customers for our goods and services. Competition keeps prices low, they will go up now. The loss of nukes means they will use more oil which drives up the price. I see no good coming from this.
How many countries have to go bankrupt before the world goes into recession or depression? The eu has propped up greece, portugal and iceland. Many other countries are wobbling and now japan. USA is insolvent on paper. If we were a company regulators would be shutting us down before any more people got hurt. What happens when the regulators are part of the problem? People are whistling past the graveyard on this one. The stock market will keep barreling along until it crashes again.
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Stonehenge]
#14227399 - 04/02/11 08:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iceland isn't part of the EU. Which is part of how their banking crisis was able to get so out of hand. People were offshoring money there and the banks were piling it back into real estate in Europe. Vicious cycle...
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Groovy Grant]
#14227521 - 04/02/11 08:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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They had a financial crisis and had to be bailed out. Europe was in on that for sure. If iceland, greece and portugal are too big to fail, what about japan? How many can we prop up when we are staggering and about to fall ourselves? We have a huge budget deficit, debts that defy payoff under any rational plan, trade imbalance and other problems like unemployment. Who is going to prop up japan and what will happen if no one does?
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Stonehenge]
#14314389 - 04/19/11 12:28 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont think japan will bring the world down or even fall itself.
it is a very wealthy nation and it can probably recover on its own.
I find it intersting though that we are getting hit with donation
adverts for a country that has more wealth than most.
japanese products are not the only products in the world.
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: shroomedalice]
#14316286 - 04/19/11 11:37 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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You say japan is wealthy. USA is supposed to be wealthy too, perhaps the richest of all. But the fact is usa owes $14t and that is more than the annual gdp. We are teetering on the brink of insolvency. Greece owed about the same amount in comparison to gdp and they were about to fail and had to be propped up along with portugal. Japan owes more than twice it's annual gdp and that was before the crisis. Would you loan them money under the circumstances?
We are living in the shadow of the volcano and going about our business ignoring the rumblings. If one domino falls, they all fall.
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Stonehenge]
#14316747 - 04/19/11 01:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Watch this. Not economic but a must see.
Allegedly the San Francisco Bay area got hit by 18,000x the EPA limit of radioactive iodine and there is going to be significant radioactivity accumulating on US farmland.
Take an iodine supplement every day for the coming 6 months to a year. Health food store kelp will help.
If its really as bad as projected here, yes this WILL be the trigger event.
Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (04/19/11 01:23 PM)
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#14319242 - 04/19/11 09:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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DUDE, wiccian, really... i watched the first 11 minutes of this video, and this woman seems to be off her rocker....
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: ZippoZ]
#14319270 - 04/19/11 09:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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also interesting side note, I was in San Fran during the days this lady was talking about levels being elevated 18000%
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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: ZippoZ]
#14319294 - 04/19/11 09:18 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
ZippoZ said:
DUDE, wiccian, really... i watched the first 11 minutes of this video, and this woman seems to be off her rocker....
I just watched the whole thing earlier today, this lady knows her shit. It is scary the things that are actually going on that we don't hear about and she worked in a bunch of nuclear plants around the world especially japan.
Give it another chance, it's definitely a recommended watch.
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Big Worm]
#14319341 - 04/19/11 09:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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so break it down for me, am i a dead man walking? is this why I have been sick for the last 5 days?
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"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: ZippoZ]
#14319525 - 04/19/11 10:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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what are you experiencing?
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#14319546 - 04/19/11 10:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had a sore/swollen throat for the last 5 days, and have been consistently seeing blood when i blow my nose in the morning. usually i do get sick when the seasons change, which is whats happening now out here. i was feeling mildly sick about a week ago, then went snowboarding, and by the end of the day, i didnt have the effort to finish the last few runs. I just assumed i had a cold, that got worse by my going out in the freezing cold.
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"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#14319549 - 04/19/11 10:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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 I've also been sick... and disjointed for about the last week or so. Hmmmmmmmmm 
My symptoms have been basically a traveling cold which originated in my eye. It traveled through my nasal cavaties into my throat, ears, and eventually the lungs. I haven't been checking for temperature or anything but I wonder if I've been running a temperature. Lots of exhaustion and lethargy, yuck.
About the radioactivity from the Japan incident - wow.
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i was also planning on going back to SF tomorrow
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"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: ZippoZ]
#14319842 - 04/19/11 11:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always knew the West Coast was going to fall into the ocean.... 
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Re: Will Japan pull down the rest of the world? [Re: Stonehenge]
#14320695 - 04/20/11 01:39 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Migration Of The Black Swans
"To be sure, most Americans are well aware that the world’s political and economic foundations are about as stable as fresh pudding under a heat lamp. The problem is that they are now being conditioned by the mainstream media to view the idea of collapse as “cinematic”; a kind of live action fantasy in which we all get to play the part of the audience, watching safely from the dark in our cushy theater seats with a bag of overpriced popcorn, Dolby surround sound, and a hot date to keep us company during the boring parts.
Three years ago, even mentioning the idea of a breakdown in society or a financial catastrophe beyond a minor recession earned you the label of “doom monger”; a rather inept and naïve attempt on the part of the MSM to silence any economic analysis that stepped outside the establishment Keynesian framework.
zorbman: Some of us know that feeling very well !
"First, we must always keep in mind that incidents in areas like Japan or the Middle East are NOT the direct cause of global economic or social turmoil; they are only trigger points for an avalanche that has been building for the past three to four years. If Fukushima had occurred in 2007, international markets would have easily absorbed the blow, but today, economies everywhere have been so weakened by the implosion of the banker created derivatives bubble and the inflationary fiat measures of private organizations like the Federal Reserve that they no longer have the capacity to shield themselves from unexpected catastrophes.
Big banks have been playing a massive game of Jenga with the global economy, pulling one support after another until the whole construct begins to sway and tremble. One gust of wind, one tremor, one wrong move, and the whole thing comes crashing down. If you want to place blame for the chaos we are about to see in the aftermath of Fukushima, be sure to place it where it belongs; on the doorstep of corporate monstrosities like the Fed, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, HSBC, etc."
Full article..well worth reading:
http://neithercorp.us/npress/2011/04/migration-of-the-black-swans/
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