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 Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated.  [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14209205 - 03/30/11 02:00 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bombing Iraq here and there and invading, occupying and getting bogged down in a quagmire are two different things. And no, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but the American people were led to believe that it did.
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Learyfan]
#14209978 - 03/30/11 04:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Learyfan said:
Bombing Iraq here and there and invading, occupying and getting bogged down in a quagmire are two different things. And no, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but the American people were led to believe that it did.
I see, so killing civilians with no just cause by air is fine but ground troops make it different
can you show us where we were led to believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14210335 - 03/30/11 06:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't say Clinton's bombings were okay. I'm saying that the American people would support that action without a 9/11. An occupation? That required another Pearl Harbor event. As for finding proof that Bush conflated Iraq and 9/11, I'm having a hard time finding good youtube clips of it. There weren't many instances in which Bush and Cheney explicitly linked the two. They were very careful about it most of the time. While stating their case for the Iraq war, they would mention 9/11 here and there so that the listener would make the connection in their mind and then Bush and Cheney could claim plausible deniability if anyone asked the question. For instance..............
Here's a USA Today poll from 2003 which shows that 70% of Americans believed Iraq was involved in 9/11.
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Cervantes] 1
#14210398 - 03/30/11 06:16 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Gravity.
Gravity brought down a building that wasn't hit by an airplane?
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Learyfan]
#14210406 - 03/30/11 06:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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so, bush saying they arent connected is the same as bush saying they were
con·vo·lut·ed/ˈkänvəˌlo͞otid/Adjective
Intricately folded, twisted, or coiled
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poll from 2003 which shows that 70% of Americans believed Iraq was involved in 9/11.
which means what, only 30% of america can follow what's going on and that
that 70% will believe what ever they wish to believe
remember desert storm, the US wasnt attacked, Kuwait was yet US troops moved
into iraq without us having to be attacked and many americans supported it
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#14210441 - 03/30/11 06:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said:
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Cervantes said:
Gravity.
Gravity brought down a building that wasn't hit by an airplane?
lots of buildings are brought down by things other than planes, gravity is the
biggest influence, had it not been for gravity they might have floated away
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14218065 - 04/01/11 01:33 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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9/11 wasn't even needed to go to war with Iraq. As for the Patriot Act, it was in the process since the early 90's to deal with Militias and the first WTC bombing.
You really think the American people would have supported Bush had he pushed for war in Iraq before 9/11? I doubt it.
they didnt seem to have an issue with clintoon bombing Iraq through the 90s
and most disagreed with bush sending troops into Iraq in 2003, the vast
majority had no problem with bush going into afghanistan in 2001, you seem to
have your conflicts mixed up. Iraq wasnt about 9/11
i was actually going to say that. that was a bit later. we had no problem with Afghanistan after 9-11, Iraq was a different story. but yes, if not for 9-11 i'd have imagined the afghan war being a little less popular. a lot of people thought that it was cruel of people to protest the war when Vietnam was going on, that soldiers deserved more respect, but i actually thought it was a very useless war and thought it was cool that so many people protested it, of course i wasn't born then, but still respect it.
now protesting the soldiers, was a different story, most of those people were drafted and didn't want to be there, but protesting the war in general was really cool. i wish more people did more shit like that more often
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14218082 - 04/01/11 01:38 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Learyfan said:
Bombing Iraq here and there and invading, occupying and getting bogged down in a quagmire are two different things. And no, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but the American people were led to believe that it did.
I see, so killing civilians with no just cause by air is fine but ground troops make it different
can you show us where we were led to believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11
that says a great deal considering you were in the army. most old people when i tell them this war is useless give me the whole "you young people today don't understand that people fight for your freedom" and it always make laugh for one, and want to say stfu secondly
i mean honestly if there was a draft, I'D be fighting this war for THEIR freedom, now maybe in vietnam when they were younger, that's a different story, but not in this day and age, and i'll tell you what...
no way would i want to be in another country fighting some stupid war and people back home getting the idea that i am murdering people and watching my friends die/becoming maimed by war/ dieing in war for a real reason. if it was world war 2 and i was saving millions of jews, that is a different story, but for THIS bullshit? no way
idk... whatever
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Learyfan]
#14218110 - 04/01/11 01:44 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Learyfan said:
I didn't say Clinton's bombings were okay. I'm saying that the American people would support that action without a 9/11. An occupation? That required another Pearl Harbor event. As for finding proof that Bush conflated Iraq and 9/11, I'm having a hard time finding good youtube clips of it. There weren't many instances in which Bush and Cheney explicitly linked the two. They were very careful about it most of the time. While stating their case for the Iraq war, they would mention 9/11 here and there so that the listener would make the connection in their mind and then Bush and Cheney could claim plausible deniability if anyone asked the question. For instance..............
Here's a USA Today poll from 2003 which shows that 70% of Americans believed Iraq was involved in 9/11.
yeah, bush is a real f*** up. when people start suggesting that obama is a worst president than bush, i often want to smack them very hard. i'm not saying obama is a good president, he has screwed up quite a few things, and is a very disappointing person, HOWEVER, I STILL don't think he is as bad as george bush, bush was pretty aweful. i mean god damn........
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14218121 - 04/01/11 01:46 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Cognitive_Shift said:
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Cervantes said:
Gravity.
Gravity brought down a building that wasn't hit by an airplane?
lots of buildings are brought down by things other than planes, gravity is the
biggest influence, had it not been for gravity they might have floated away
if it hadn't been for gravity, that guy that jumped out the window to kill himself to avoid any more smoke inhalation would have surely floated off instead of falling to his death
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: imachavel]
#14218385 - 04/01/11 02:48 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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imachavel said:
most old people when i tell them this war is useless give me the whole "you young people today don't understand that people fight for your freedom" and it always make laugh for one, and want to say stfu secondly
no way would i want to be in another country fighting some stupid war and people back home getting the idea that i am murdering people and watching my friends die/becoming maimed by war/ dieing in war for a real reason. if it was world war 2 and i was saving millions of jews, that is a different story, but for THIS bullshit? no way
there hasnt been a war for american freedom in more than a century, the
only war in the last 60 years for actions against america is afghanistan
and even then it's not really afghanistan that committed the act.
everything since WWII has been United Nations/Nato actions with america
being the dominant force, often times it's humanitarian missions like
somalia, ensuring food got to the people as opposed to the hands of war
lords or like bosnia where the campaign was to stop millions from being
killed but others like Korea, Viet Nam or Iraq, pointless wars we had no
business in... you're pretty much spot on
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: imachavel]
#14218392 - 04/01/11 02:49 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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imachavel said:
if it hadn't been for gravity, that guy that jumped out the window to kill himself to avoid any more smoke inhalation would have surely floated off instead of falling to his death
right, they'd have floated into space to their death 
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14218863 - 04/01/11 05:27 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight is 20/20.
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
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