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 Droz
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 Re: Prove death anxiety.  [Re: Icelander]
#14000529 - 02/21/11 12:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's pretty easy to adapt to criticism, something I have not yet really done.
I myself am into thought-provoking ideas. When I post I get the intentions of someone like-minded will respond.
So yes when that doesn't happen and I get bullshit post responses it's frustrating, so I write another thread.
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 Icelander
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Droz]
#14000532 - 02/21/11 12:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's nice.
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learningtofly
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Droz]
#14000540 - 02/21/11 12:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Droz said:
How would you know if it were being repressed? Saying when I get older i'm going to start to get anxiety in the form of thoughts of death?
I'm not old yet and from my standpoint I don't see any "death anxiety".
It has nothing to do with "being old," dude.
A pupil and a teacher. The pupil will not let anything be explained to him, for he continually interrupts with doubts, for instance as to the existence of things, the meaning for words, etc. The teacher says "Stop interrupting me and do as I tell you. So far your doubts don't make sense at all."
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Droz]
#14000588 - 02/21/11 01:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Droz said:
How would you know if it were being repressed?
I'm not old yet and from my standpoint I don't see any "death anxiety".
You could always elect to engage in some good ole' Russian roulette. That ought to evoke some latent death anxiety. Maybe not, though. 
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Kickle
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Droz, to be honest, I'm not sure that uncovering your death anxiety is the best idea for you at this point. Keep doing cartwheels brah.
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
#14000596 - 02/21/11 01:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would have to agree. (If I cared that is) 
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14000626 - 02/21/11 01:08 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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You aren't fooling me 
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
#14000727 - 02/21/11 01:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I honestly care very little if at all. If it was you that would be different because I respect your pov and ability to be honest and thoughtful. This may be an unpopular pov or something unpopular to admit but it's the truth and I'm guessing for most people. I am very little concerned with the mass of unwashed humanity and would prefer it if they didn't exist.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14000752 - 02/21/11 01:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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on that note, PSP has kinda sucked lately; not really much interesting discussion going on.
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I concur. I almost made a post about that but then realized that I had nothing much to offer either. In fact I've mostly stated all my opinions and have not changed my basic beliefs in a long time. It seems I might have come to the end of the road as to the discoveries of "truth" that I am able to uncover in this form. Now I just mostly like to play around here and hang out with everyone and hunt fools. Sport.
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14000781 - 02/21/11 01:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just feel as if my beliefs are all wrong no matter what and that I really don't know anything at all, so I don't have much to work with.
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Icelander
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I feel that way mostly also except for my ideas around death anxiety. The reason I tend to accept them outside of how consistently they validate themselves is how much I dislike them.
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Kickle
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14000967 - 02/21/11 02:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I honestly care very little if at all. If it was you that would be different because I respect your pov and ability to be honest and thoughtful. This may be an unpopular pov or something unpopular to admit but it's the truth and I'm guessing for most people. I am very little concerned with the mass of unwashed humanity and would prefer it if they didn't exist.
Still not fooling me
You may not care whether or not your advice is heard, or even what may arise out of it, but you still got a big ole heart that can't not care about the livelihood of those around you. The misanthrope in you is the counterpart to your caring nature IMO. If you didn't care, you likely wouldn't dislike humanity so much 
Double negatives much??
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
#14001043 - 02/21/11 02:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I take your point.
While ultimately I care about my fellow man I have lost hope in that care. So I rarely focus on it anymore. I still believe that I would love to see the mass of humanity disappear but that's just because I don't want all that suffering and we're back to caring.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14001102 - 02/21/11 02:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Word. I only see it cause I'm in the same boat. Like looking into a living, breathing, mirror 
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Droz]
#14001282 - 02/21/11 03:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Droz said:
When I ponder death I don't do it with anxiety, I do it with a sorta imaginative philosophy and play with certain thought provoking "what ifs"..
I think this is a valid question actually, how do you prove a psychological phenomena especially one that not only deals with thought content, but largely unconscious thought content. I am not entirely sure...
The thing I find interesting about it, likened to Freud's preoccupation with the unconscious and sexuality, it seems the point is that it (death anxiety) motivates much of our behaviour whether we are aware of it or not.
I do not just mean negative aspects of behaviour.
IMO much of what we do it motivated by the fact that we will one day die, such as sex (including procreation and intimacy) and the creation of art (to make a mark on the world?)
I don't think it means you are scared of dying, as in...you are preoccupied per se with conscious thoughts of death (although I would say for many this is the case) and denial of that fear also seems to be a factor.
Death anxiety is an interesting concept in general, I wouldn't get all screwed up about it. We also have "survival instinct" that is pretty strong in most...For me they don't deviate too far from each other. (Death anxiety and survival instinct.)
But yeah, that is just my opinion.
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Icelander
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I think this is a valid question actually, how do you prove a psychological phenomena especially one that not only deals with thought content, but largely unconscious thought content. I am not entirely sure...
There is a way. Becker points to it in his book. One can notice ones past actions and then ponder them. Many actions, once identified and noticed, do not make a whole lot of sense, but taken in light of the possibility of repressed anxiety do. One can, with self analysis begin to uncover unconscious motivations.
Most of our anxieties are subtle and repressed it's true are only obvious once identified. (the illusive obvious). It's not a healthy path for most however. Only those who were not completely or well acculturated would even try. The fact that my family life did not allow the normal shields against death anxiety accounts for my preoccupation with the idea, in the same way the artist who is "tortured" produces something unusual.
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14001590 - 02/21/11 03:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I think this is a valid question actually, how do you prove a psychological phenomena especially one that not only deals with thought content, but largely unconscious thought content. I am not entirely sure...
There is a way. Becker points to it in his book. One can notice ones past actions and then ponder them. Many actions, once identified and noticed, do not make a whole lot of sense, but taken in light of the possibility of repressed anxiety do. One can, with self analysis begin to uncover unconscious motivations.
I have not read the book you refer to so I can not comment, however I may look into it if I have time
The thing that concerns me is that while I am a fan of the concept, I am not sure how your post actually proves it.
You speak of introspection and analysing past events, which in light of death anxiety begin to make more sense, but can one be sure that they are not projecting on hindsight?
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Most of our anxieties are subtle and repressed it's true are only obvious once identified. (the illusive obvious). It's not a healthy path for most however. Only those who were not completely or well acculturated would even try. The fact that my family life did not allow the normal shields against death anxiety accounts for my preoccupation with the idea, in the same way the artist who is "tortured" produces something unusual.
In what way did your family life achieve this?
How does this preoccupation manifest for you?
Do you think your experience is common?
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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
#14001640 - 02/21/11 03:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
While you sit at your cosy computer snug as a bug in your little fantasy.
Read Ernest Becker's book Denial of Death. It's all there if you dare. (I made a rhyme )
This seems like a really interesting book. 
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learningtofly
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It's a pretty gnarly book, i must say. I'm reading it again because there's so much to grasp
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