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 Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes?  [Re: zappaisgod]
#13947233 - 02/11/11 07:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or ABC CBS NBC CNN MSNBC. This could go on a bit.
KO isnt even on MSNBC anymore...
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 zappaisgod
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#13947360 - 02/11/11 08:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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(I <3 Krugman)
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Too many people get caught up in the same news source and allow it to dominate their opinions.
I agree. As a general piece of advice to anybody who wants to understand what is going on NEVER WATCH ANY TV CABLE OR OTHERWISE. I don't. I highly recommend the National Review for any explorers. Lost liberals can go to their usual peep shows.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: Annapurna1]
#13947379 - 02/11/11 08:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said:
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zappaisgod said:
Or ABC CBS NBC CNN MSNBC. This could go on a bit.
KO isnt even on MSNBC anymore...
Yeah, he's a part owner of Al Gore's failed cable channel. I'm seeing "Hail Mary" by both of them.
Aside from what I think about his intellect or politics there seems to be an overwhelming consensus that he is a complete and utter dick to work with.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: deCypher]
#13951589 - 02/12/11 04:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Despite early findings of an association between the DRD4 48bp VNTR and novelty seeking (a characteristic of exploratory and excitable people)[12][13], a 2008 meta-analysis compared 36 published studies of novelty seeking and the polymorphism and found no effect. The meta-analysis of 11 studies did find that another polymorphism in the gene, the -521C/T, showed an association with novelty seeking.[14] In any case, novelty-seeking behavior is probably mediated by several genes, and the variance attributable to DRD4 by itself is not particularly large.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRD4#Novelty_seeking
It's possible the elimination factor of social stimulation during adolescence was what changed the data-set. It would be interesting to see what prompted this analysis, if they looked at multiple factors that could effect it or just specifically this one. I should say that this wikipedia entry is not indicative of new data from this study yet.
This is a dopamine receptor gene so it is pretty powerful in regulating what causes behavior.
I should caution that in actuality the liberalism from this gene is more likely to be classical liberalism, it wold not make the person vote democrat. However it may prompt response from mantras like "Change" used in Obama's 2008 Campaign. Also those attributes found heavily among "conservatives" (republicans) cited in the article do sound a lot like the stimulus/narrative popular on fox news.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: ScavengerType]
#13959188 - 02/14/11 02:49 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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More interesting differences between liberals and conservatives:
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Looking like a liberal
The eyes, a new study says, are windows to a person's political beliefs. When two people converse, their gazes commonly wander, and each will often glance to see what the other is looking at. University of Nebraska researchers found that liberals are more likely to follow these "gaze cues" than conservatives are. The researchers asked subjects to view a face on a computer screen; from time to time another object would appear elsewhere on the screen. If the face appeared to be looking at the new objects, subjects with politically liberal views were much faster to follow the face's gaze, to see what it was looking at. The authors theorize that conservatives place a higher value on personal autonomy than liberals do, and so are less likely to be interested in other people's opinions--hence their disinterest in gaze cues. The study doesn't establish whether political orientation determines a person's interest in other views or vice versa, psychologist and study author Michael Dodd tells LiveScience.com, but it's "another piece of evidence that biology can influence political temperament."
from the January 14th, 2011 issue of The Week
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: deCypher]
#13979286 - 02/17/11 05:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is this "right" and "left" you speak of? Is it something to do with the colour of your tie?
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: Batty Koda]
#13979729 - 02/17/11 06:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you aren't being facetious, left = liberal and right = conservative.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: deCypher]
#13980253 - 02/17/11 07:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you aren't being facetious, left = liberal and right = conservative.
But don't people say Stalin was extremely left wing, doesn't that mean he was a massive liberal? And aren't conservatives supposed to want to preserve tradition by slowing down change? But Hitler and the Bush family are "right wing" and they want a "new world order".
Ok I'm being facetious.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: deCypher]
#13986211 - 02/18/11 08:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
If you aren't being facetious, left = liberal and right = conservative.
I'm liberal on a few things and conservative on some. Is that in my genes?
I'm not at all impressed by full on liberals or conservatives.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: Icelander]
#13986237 - 02/18/11 08:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Me neither; strict adherence to the party line without free thought is inane IMO.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: deCypher] 1
#13987210 - 02/18/11 11:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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We just don't fit in around here.
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Re: Why Some People Go Left: is liberalism in the genes? [Re: Annapurna1] 1
#13987716 - 02/19/11 01:14 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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OT1H..this study is at best inconclusive...i see no reason why someone that "gets a rush of pleasure from novelty" would necessarily tilt left...
OTOH..it does make sense that right-wing brains must be wired very differently from left-wing brains.. given the rights' capacity to accept rupert murdochs' bullshit as gospel truth...this in turn raises the possibility that there are genetics that create different neuron linking functions...
anna your destined to marry a conservative, id bet you anything
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