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 Stillmatic9142
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 Nine Questions From Ron Paul 
#13638415 - 12/15/10 08:32 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Number 1: Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?
Number 2: Could a larger question be how can an army private access so much secret information?
Number 3: Why is the hostility directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information?
Number 4: Are we getting our moneys worth of the 80 Billion dollars per year spent on intelligence gathering?
Number 5: Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?
Number 6: If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the internet?
Number 7: Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?
Number 8: Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption?
Number 9: Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?.
-Ron Paul
Can anyone come up with good answers for any of these?
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-former President & 5 Star General, Dwight D Eisenhower's farewell address to the Nation
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Great questions from Ron Paul, once again on the pulse of reason and wisdom....
I REALLY hope he isn't an opposition sponsored "good guy"...he really is my last hope for this country before diplomacy fails in my eyes and action is needed...
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Great questions from Ron Paul, once again on the pulse of reason and wisdom....
I REALLY hope he isn't an opposition sponsored "good guy"...he really is my last hope for this country before diplomacy fails in my eyes and action is needed...
He's great.
So is this guy, (well really senator)
This is more than amazing. This is a true man.
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In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists & will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
-former President & 5 Star General, Dwight D Eisenhower's farewell address to the Nation
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Wow. Great speech!
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Wow. Great speech!
Glad you watched it! I'm watching it again. It's so great, and it is insane how no one listens to him... Well, he is independent. So no one is paying him and sponsoring his campaign for millions.
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In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists & will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
-former President & 5 Star General, Dwight D Eisenhower's farewell address to the Nation
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Number 1: Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?
Not all the details.
Number 2: Could a larger question be how can an army private access so much secret information?
Larger than what? And yes, that is a huge question.
Number 3: Why is the hostility directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information?
False dichotomy. It is directed at both.
Number 4: Are we getting our moneys worth of the 80 Billion dollars per year spent on intelligence gathering?
Hard to say
Number 5: Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?
There was no lying us into war. That itself is a lie.
Number 6: If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the internet?
So far he isn't even charged with it. Hypothetical bullshit. But if he helped Manning procure the info then he is and should be toast
Number 7: Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?
What empire? And even if it was shouldn't this jackass be in favor of an American empire? Just who does he think he works for?
Number 8: Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption?
Well that is a wonderfully convoluted question. There is a difference. As to how that applies to wikileaks I am at a loss. They haven't exposed shit.
Number 9: Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?.
-Ron Paul
Who decides when it is wrong? Not that douchebag, not Assange, the Australian, not Bradley Manning, who didn't even read what he stole, and certainly not you.
Can anyone come up with good answers for any of these?
Hope you like them.
By the way, in question 2 & 4 he seems to be accepting the need for secrecy but goes off the rails elsewhere.
L. Ron Paul, admired by sophomores everywhere.
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13641259 - 12/16/10 12:07 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who are you calling a sophomore?
Also, relevant to this thread:
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Great questions from Ron Paul, once again on the pulse of reason and wisdom....
I REALLY hope he isn't an opposition sponsored "good guy"...he really is my last hope for this country before diplomacy fails in my eyes and action is needed...
He's great.
So is this guy, (well really senator)
This is more than amazing. This is a true man.
Bernie cocksucker is trying to push social policies
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Good questions. Makes sense to me, but probably not to the millions of people who have already made up their mind that Assange must be hanged (because the MSM touches on their emotions).
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13641970 - 12/16/10 02:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The MSM helped him disseminate the information.
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13643093 - 12/16/10 07:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what? The MSM have let out what they have wanted to.
If they ignore it all together they will lose credibility of being an actual news service to those sheeple that actually believe that's what they are.
Or you could call it damage control if Assange is for real...revealing some cables but leaving out the important ones...
Or this is an attempt to create the illusion in the public eye that he is for real if indeed he is a patsy, or on a government mission (possibly a false flag attack to further the agenda of censoring the web..?).
Whatever the case is the MSM is going to handle it exactly as they are told to by the government and elite.
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The MSM have let out what Assholange has let out. He is the one controlling the flow of info.
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13643635 - 12/16/10 09:32 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think the MSM has reported on all of the leaked documents?
They've released over 1500 cables, you REALLY think they have all been reported on? Nope.
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Do you expect the newspapers to print every word of that vast pile of shit?
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13646328 - 12/17/10 11:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zappa you r funny
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13646829 - 12/17/10 02:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you expect the newspapers to print every word of that vast pile of shit?
 I answer this question in the post you are replying to...
Infact that was the point of the post you are replying to...the MSM is NOT releasing all the cables and the ARE choosing what they want to release, SO the MSM IS controlling along with Assange what comes out to the mass public.
I said this because you said...
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The MSM have let out what Assholange has let out. He is the one controlling the flow of info.
Try to keep up...
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Do you expect the newspapers to print every word of that vast pile of shit?
I answer this question in the post you are replying to...
Infact that was the point of the post you are replying to...the MSM is NOT releasing all the cables and the ARE choosing what they want to release, SO the MSM IS controlling along with Assange what comes out to the mass public.
I said this because you said...
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The MSM have let out what Assholange has let out. He is the one controlling the flow of info.
Try to keep up...
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Can you follow a point? Or two?
1. Assange hasn't released everything he has and
2. No newspaper is going to print all of it. Ever
Just what expectations do you have? Do you want to read all of them? Ask Assange. I suspect the papers have had somebody read all of what has been released, poor bastards, but if you think they are going to print every mundane piece of shit that is there you are a little bit
If you really wanted to read all of it then you can probably do it yourself on the whateverit'scallednowleaks page.
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13647990 - 12/17/10 06:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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All I'm saying is yes Assange is releasing what he wants when he wants, and the MSM conglomerate is going to report on whatever they feel like, or more likely what they are told to. With me so far?
You said the MSM has let out what Assange has let out and that HE is the ONE controlling the spread of said information, I am merely saying that is incorrect because the wider audiance of the MSM only hears the bits and pieces they have CHOSEN to release. So they are BOTH controlling the release and spread of information. Got it?
I NEVER said or implied that the media would report on ALL of it, in fact I was saying the exact opposite. So you trying to imply that I did say this then saying I'm because of it actually makes you look because I have said the exact opposite of that from the beginning.
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They print what they think is sensational or important. The loon factor comes in with this:
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what they are told to.
They'll report whatever they think will gain them views. Any other idea is and
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
#13648235 - 12/17/10 07:49 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So first it's I'm crazy because you say (FALSELY!) that I said the media should report all of the wikileaks...and now that your caught talking out of your ass it's that I dare to say the media is controlled to some extent...ok...
Yeah you are probably right, it's crazy and stupid to think that there might be some higher organization controlling what the media says...
We should just trust our government and MSM and just believe what they say..they wouldn't lie or try to deceive you!
Learn the truth below...
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination [read as 'democracy'] practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller in Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
"A handful of us determine what will be on the evening news broadcasts, or, for that matter, in the New York Times or Washington Post or Wall Street Journal.... Indeed it is a handful of us with this awesome power... a strongly editorial power...we must decide which news items out of hundreds available we are going to expose that day. And those [news stories] available to us already have been culled and re-culled by persons far outside our control."
-Walter Cronkite
ONE MORE EXAMPLE OUT OF MANY
"The Bush administration was confronted with fresh evidence of a far-reaching clandestine campaign to influence public opinion yesterday after a third conservative commentator admitted receiving payments for championing its policies. [...] The administration spent more than $88m on public relations contracts last year."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/jan/29/pressandpublishing.usnews
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Re: Nine Questions From Ron Paul [Re: Nexius]
#13648840 - 12/17/10 10:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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WOW!!! We've virtually doubled the debt from '04 to '09! From that last column it looks like our debt is something like twice the world GDP!
Start preparing people we are being sucked into a financial blackhole! I'm convinced more than ever that the crash of the dollar is imminent, we are going to be put under martial law when it happens (think a scenario like the stockmarket crash with tons more people helpless, remember when the market crashed back then like 9/10 people were rural and could fend for themselves, now it's like 5/100!) and the police state will be ushered in then the NWO's solution of a one world currency then government will emerge.
I knew that countries were dumping the dollar as the reserve currency (Russia and China), and that we had these problems but it's coming up quick...America is headed for dire straights!
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