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 JackthaTripper
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 HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? 
#13633534 - 12/14/10 09:17 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whether intentional or not, there is some evidence that HIV was a result of human activities, specifically the AIDS epidemic has correlated quite well to the introduction of vaccines (polio, hepatitis and small pox) in certain areas. The initial major African outbreak seems to have been in central Africa right after a major small pox vaccine campaign administered by the World Health Organization. In the US the first outbreaks were within gay communities in NY and California after Hep. B vaccines.
So as you can see its spread was first confined to 'undesirable' groups (gays & minorities).
So, was HIV/AIDS a result of an accidental crossover of a natural virus to the vaccines (which, in production, used Green monkeys and possibly chimpanzee organs)?
Or an intentional biological warfare program (ie man made virus) to eliminate billions of third world minorities (and other undesirables) as laid out in a 1969 congressional hearing? (see below quote)
Or was this simply a result of human-monkey interaction (ie, killing and cleaning a monkey to eat and the monkey blood gets into the cleaners cut, or alternatively through bestiality)?
The last choice is the official viewpoint, but does it make sense? Wouldn't the cross over happened much earlier since theses groups of species have lived together for so long?
Is the scientific community choosing this option because they don't want it to come out that scientists really don't know the affects of their experiments and the truth that there is a lot more trial and error to the 'science' of "science". It would certainly put our faith in science on shaky ground (...and maybe this is a good thing because I think it would stimulate a demand for more testing and research on products that could have devastating results).
Or is this nothing more then a cover up of a covert military depopulation program?
A few videos (the second is part 1 of a series):
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A decade before the first cases of AIDS, Dr. Donald M. MacArthur, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Defense, told a Congressional Hearing that a "super germ" could be developed as part of our experimental bio-warfare program. This genetically engineered germ would be very different from any previous microbe known to mankind. The agent would be a highly effective killing agent because the immune system would be powerless against this super-microbe (Testimony before a Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970, dated July 1, 1969). A transcript of this meeting on "Synthetic Biological Agents" records the following comments of Dr. MacArthur:
1. All biological agents up to the present time are representatives of naturally occurring disease, and thus are known by scientists throughout the world. They are easily available to qualified scientists for research, either for offensive or defensive purposes.
2. Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.
3. A research program to explore the feasibility of this could be completed in approximately 5 years at a total cost of $10 million.
4. It would be very difficult to establish such a program. Molecular biology is a relatively new science. There are not many competent scientists in the field, almost all are in university laboratories, and they are generally adequately supported from sources other than the Department of Defense. However, it was considered possible to initiate an adequate program through the National Academy of Sciences — National Research Council (NAS-NRC). The matter was discussed with the NAS-NRC, and tentative plans were made to initiate the program. However, decreasing funds in CB (chemical/biological) research, growing criticism of the CB program, and our reluctance to involve the NAS-NRC in such a controversial endeavor have led us to postpone it for the past two years. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken lest it lead to yet another method of massive killing of large populations... Should an enemy develop it, there is little doubt that it is an important area of potential military technological inferiority in which there is no adequate research program.
Was the AIDS virus, or other so-called "emerging viruses" such as Ebola and Marburg viruses, created in bio-warfare laboratories during the 1970s? During the 1970s, the U.S. Army’s bio-warfare program intensified, particularly in the area of DNA and gene splicing research. Renouncing germ warfare except for "medical defensive research," President Richard Nixon in 1971 ordered that a major part of the Army’s bio-warfare research be transferred over to the National Cancer Institute (where HIV would be discovered a decade later by Gallo). That same year, Nixon also initiated his famous War on Cancer, and offensive bio-warfare research (particularly genetic engineering of viruses) continued under the umbrella of orthodox cancer research. Cancer virologists learned "to jump" animal cancer viruses from one species of animal to another. Chicken viruses were put into lamb kidney cells; baboon viruses were spliced into human cancer cells; the combinations were endless. In due process, deadly man-made viruses were developed, and new forms of cancer, immunodeficiency, and opportunistic infections were produced when these viruses were forced or adapted into laboratory animals and into human tissue cell cultures.14
As predicted by the bio-warfare experts, new cancer-causing monster viruses were created that had a deadly effect on the immune system. In one government-sponsored experiment reported in 1974, newborn chimpanzees were taken away from their mothers at birth and weaned on milk obtained from virus-infected cows. Some of the chimps sickened and died with two new diseases that had never been observed in chimps. The first was a parasitic pneumonia known as Pneumocystis Carinii pneumonia (later known as AIDS); the second was leukemia.15
What is your point of view?
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Edited by JackthaTripper (12/14/10 09:37 PM)
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: JackthaTripper]
#13633683 - 12/14/10 09:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never found much reason to consider the conspiracy theories. Just doesn't seem to be any probative evidence.
I further seriously doubt there's any reason to suspect the virus could have been manufactured. Given that I see no indication we could do it now, it seems difficult to imagine it was done then.
Re: its use as a weapon, the latency phase of HIV infection seems a bit long to be very useful, and there would seem far better agents that are more contagious.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: johnm214]
#13633917 - 12/14/10 10:21 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never found much reason to consider the conspiracy theories. Just doesn't seem to be any probative evidence.
I further seriously doubt there's any reason to suspect the virus could have been manufactured. Given that I see no indication we could do it now, it seems difficult to imagine it was done then.
Re: its use as a weapon, the latency phase of HIV infection seems a bit long to be very useful, and there would seem far better agents that are more contagious.
Scientists can create viruses from "scratch".
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070813094921.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2122619.stm
http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v27/n12/full/nbt.1593.html
And they say the private sector is 30-50 years behind military technology...so the notion that they couldn't doesn't pan out for me.
Even if there is a latent infection period IF it is a military agent it has been quite successful. This latent period could have been built in just in case somebody that is part of 'the machine' gets infected, then the antidote can be administered before it develops into AIDS. And the fact that the weapon is seen as a natural virus and a natural outbreak is the ultimate cloak from retribution...
If you look at the history of civilian testing of biological, chemical weapons by the US govt it doesn't seem far fetched that they are capable of doing this (IMO).
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: JackthaTripper]
#13633977 - 12/14/10 10:32 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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History such as the Tuskegee syphillis experiment?
There are others but that one comes to my mind first.
Documented.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: JackthaTripper] 1
#13634107 - 12/14/10 10:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tri High said:
History such as the Tuskegee syphillis experiment?
There are others but that one comes to my mind first.
Documented.
What is your point here? I don't see the relevance. Studying syphillis is far different than creating it.
Simply put, just cause you can see a car doesn't mean you can design one yourself. We allready knew what syphillis did, Tuskegee didn't allow us any special knowledge or expertise.
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johnm214 said:
I never found much reason to consider the conspiracy theories. Just doesn't seem to be any probative evidence.
I further seriously doubt there's any reason to suspect the virus could have been manufactured. Given that I see no indication we could do it now, it seems difficult to imagine it was done then.
Re: its use as a weapon, the latency phase of HIV infection seems a bit long to be very useful, and there would seem far better agents that are more contagious.
Scientists can create viruses from "scratch".
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070813094921.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2122619.stm
http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v27/n12/full/nbt.1593.html
nah, not to my knowledge they can't The problem is figuring out what the genome would need to be. The only thing I'm aware of is successes in producing a given genome syntheticaly and cloning segments of a genome for inclusion in an organism.
Its the difference between copying someone's design for a car, switching out a new door, and designing a car from the ground up. We can't do the latter, the most we can do is copy, tediously, the designs we know of or take portions of the design and stick em where they wouldn't naturally be.
This is far different than designing a novel infectious agent. While HIV of course has natural analogues in non-humans, I'm not aware of any evidence such a virus could be made to infect humans (though it doesn't seem out of the question anymore, depending on the actual mechanism of immunity and infection).
In any case, the examples you cite are all switching a door from a ford to a chevy (or copying one), not designing a new car.
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And they say the private sector is 30-50 years behind military technology...so the notion that they couldn't doesn't pan out for me.
News to me. All the microbiological advances seem to come from civilian institutions to my knowledge. While there's no reason the military couldn't be more adept at infectious warfare than their civilian counterparts, given the lack of interest in this in the later's case, it's not because they're inherently better or anything.
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Even if there is a latent infection period IF it is a military agent it has been quite successful. This latent period could have been built in just in case somebody that is part of 'the machine' gets infected, then the antidote can be administered before it develops into AIDS. And the fact that the weapon is seen as a natural virus and a natural outbreak is the ultimate cloak from retribution...
Yeah, but the problem here is that there's no major biological difference between the mechanism and effects of AIDS and non-AIDS HIV infection. Its not like the HIV is harmless and then changes into AIDS, its that the HIV doesn't weakne your immune system to the point where its arbitrarily labled "AIDS" for a while after infection.
Anyways, the virus is certainly effective at killing people, but that doesn't seem a military goal to me. And the latency phase is simply unnecessary. Why not just use smallpox or something like that?
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If you look at the history of civilian testing of biological, chemical weapons by the US govt it doesn't seem far fetched that they are capable of doing this (IMO).
What is similar that they've done? I can't think of any comparable feat.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: johnm214]
#13634624 - 12/15/10 12:37 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't ask for you to put it simply.
When you assume (a simile is similar to reality) you make an ass out of u and me.
The Tuskegee experiments are relevant to the discussion at hand because the government DID create a disease outbreak in a selected group of individuals. Surely it did not provide very much new data, but why carry it out then at all?
Because The Man is a piece of garbage with a detestable agenda.
Which is similar to how may have happened in NYC and Philly to the gay population.
With the private sector demonstrably advanced decades over the public's, it is entirely possible that a government dabbled with the creation of new, persistent, unsavory forms of life.
You might not care to see it, but you know it's there. Whatever it is to you is it to you. What it is to me is my it.
but they're the same.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Tri High]
#13635010 - 12/15/10 02:12 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tri High said:
I didn't ask for you to put it simply.
When you assume (a simile is similar to reality) you make an ass out of u and me.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean that to sound patronizing if that's what you're responding to. It was just a rhetorical device I use out of habit.
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The Tuskegee experiments are relevant to the discussion at hand because the government DID create a disease outbreak in a selected group of individuals. Surely it did not provide very much new data, but why carry it out then at all?
Diseases create outbreaks on their own. They don't manufacture novel organisms. There's a difference.
And how did the government create a disease outbreak? Again, syphillis spreads. While its possible the patients might have infected less people without the study than with it, it's a bit of a stretch to say the government created an outbreak. What specifically are you referring to in saying this and how do you know its true?
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With the private sector demonstrably advanced decades over the public's, it is entirely possible that a government dabbled with the creation of new, persistent, unsavory forms of life.
What evidence do you have that your premise is accurate? It seems quite the opposite to me. Advances in mol/microbiology theory are generally realized in an academic setting with practical or profitable application being the aim of buisness. It would seem seldom cost-effective for buisnesses to deal with the basic science, and this is my understanding of how this field has progressed. Given I've disputed this notion above, I think you're going to need to provide some justification for your claim here.
Finally, what evidence do you have that HIV could have been manufactured? You've just appealed to the unknown so far as I can see: what particular technologies were unknown generally that could allow this breakthrough to be realized by the government et cet, specifically? Even if they were twenty years ahead of their time, they still wouldn't have the technology so far as I can see.
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You might not care to see it, but you know it's there. Whatever it is to you is it to you. What it is to me is my it.
Might not care to see what? You've simply stated conclusions with no backing and assumed disputed premises. I guess, yeah, I don't see your conclusions validity, but its not for want of recognizing your premises or argument- indeed I have and disputed the premises and challenged the argument as fallacious, an appeal to the unknown.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: johnm214]
#13635663 - 12/15/10 08:32 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the Cure for HIV/AIDS, ON THE US PATENT and TRADE OFFICE WEBSITE.
Patent Number #5,676,977
Cure for AIDS
From the patent,
"Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal devices "
"Abstract
The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function. "
I wonder why this isn't being used? Could it be population control? Could it be profits for big Pharma on treatment/medication? 
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: amIawakewhenIdream]
#13635708 - 12/15/10 08:59 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can patent anything without any proof of it working.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#13635799 - 12/15/10 09:33 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wish you could read Wakeboardr before you start running that yapper of yours.
RTFA!!!
From the patent
"EXAMPLE 2
The above protocol of Example 1 was repeated with AIDS patients exhibiting wasting syndrome. The results of their treatment are tabulated in Table I under the disease category of said syndrome. It should be noted that two of the four wasting syndrome patients showed improved white blood counts. The female patient, whose condition improved from poor and terminal to be among the living, showed a decrease in the WBC. However, she showed an increase in body temperature which was indicative of immune response. The test results indicate that one cannot rely on a single factor to indicate the demise of AIDS. The usual HIV marker CD 4 initial and final are irrelevant. ISM suppression appears to be more critical than the destruction of HIV. AIDS was suppressed, any permanent damage that had been done to the patients in the course of their succumbing to AIDS was not obviously cured or corrected by said crystal device treatment, rather said injury persisted and the patient was improved with respect to AIDS but still suffered from said permanent injury or impairment previously inflicted. "
It's been curable for at least a decade.
Some more info on the Inventor and invention,
http://www.rexresearch.com/antelman/silverox.htm
"n October 1977, the United States patented a "method for curing AIDS', US Patent # 5,676,977. The product is called TETRASIL/IMUSIL and is a one-time injection/infusion that eliminates bacterial pathogens in the blood system of an individual. It is this cheap and effective cure for AIDS that is the subject of my presentation.
As a 29-month recipient of this one time injection, I further submit that we have an effective and cheap remedy for AIDS that is ready now. Our goal in bringing this information to the international community is to serve as aconduit for the necessary global "double blind" efficacy clinical trials of this U.S. patented CURE for AIDS.
...Marantech has identified a number of Electron Jumping Compounds (EJCs) that have been found in independent laboratory testing to exhibit
antimicrobial activity. However, to date the bulk of Company testing of EJCs for pharmacological safety and efficacy has centred on tetrasilver
tetroxide, a multivalent metal oxide also known as Tetrasil..
Independent laboratory and clinical testing indicates that Tetrasil molecules selectively target and kill rapidly proliferating organisms (e.g., cancer cells and pathogenic micro-organisms) through a multitude of nano-level electrical discharges followed by physical combination (chelation), while leaving normal tissues generally unaffected. The unusual suspected kill method may thwart the development of pathogens resistant to Tetrasil therapy.
Antimicrobial Activity: It has been known for several years that Tetrasil is a potent antimicrobial agent that kills a broad spectrum of viruses, fungi, algae and bacteria (including drug resistant strains) in vitro at concentrations that have been certified safe by the EPA for usage in swimming pools ("EPA Levels").
Recent clinical studies commissioned by Marantech and conducted by Exetec Labs in Honduras, indicate that topically applied Tetrasil can
lead to dramatic improvements in such infection-caused skin conditions as acne, cold sores, herpes lesions, conjunctivitis, chickenpox,
shingles, dermal tuberculosis and ringworm. "
There ya go, I'll spaghetti paste so then maybe you might read it. Remember now, top to bottom, and left to right 
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: amIawakewhenIdream]
#13635868 - 12/15/10 10:17 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know if it has been posted... Houseofnumbers.com
HIV Cureable FTW
It's a documentary from the film House of Numbers.
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Edited by Stillmatic9142 (12/15/10 10:18 AM)
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Stillmatic9142]
#13636663 - 12/15/10 02:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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can you imagine how much profit would be lost if simple cures were allowed to substitute for continual long term 'treatment and medication' for diseases and illnesses? C'mon now, we have a medical and pharmaceutical industry to think about. They could lose jobs!
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Grav]
#13636686 - 12/15/10 02:17 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So then why was Smallpox wiped out, why are there vaccines for Polio and Tuberculosis? Why is there a cure for Syphilis?
It doesn't make sense to selectively reduce or eliminate deaths from certain diseases while letting others run their course.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#13636741 - 12/15/10 02:27 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So then why was Smallpox wiped out, why are there vaccines for Polio and Tuberculosis? Why is there a cure for Syphilis?
It doesn't make sense to selectively reduce or eliminate deaths from certain diseases while letting others run their course.
perhaps they are far more clever than we give em credit for??  just throwin it out there.. imagination knows no bounds
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#13636756 - 12/15/10 02:30 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn renegade do-gooders.
I guess the people at the top either hadn't
- found the way to protect themselves first
- been able to travel and kill the guy spreading cowpox
That's why smallpox was wiped out.
Oh, but don't be fooled!
Are you vaccinated against it? Are there live samples stowed away somewhere?
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Tri High]
#13637165 - 12/15/10 04:01 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn renegade do-gooders.
I guess the people at the top either hadn't
- found the way to protect themselves first
- been able to travel and kill the guy spreading cowpox
That's why smallpox was wiped out.
Oh, but don't be fooled!
Are you vaccinated against it? Are there live samples stowed away somewhere?
What is your point regarding tuskegee? It seems of no relevance.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#13637419 - 12/15/10 04:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So then why was Smallpox wiped out, why are there vaccines for Polio and Tuberculosis? Why is there a cure for Syphilis?
good question. i'm sure there needs to be a balance. if too many people are sick and dying then who is gonna pay taxes?
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It doesn't make sense to selectively reduce or eliminate deaths from certain diseases while letting others run their course.
it doesn't make any sense to me, but i bet it makes plenty of sense to the industries raking in millions. suffering is profitable.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Grav]
#13646043 - 12/17/10 09:43 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, we know for a fact that millions of people in the US were infected with the SV40 virus (possibly causing much cancer today) from contaminated polio vaccines in the 50s. Doesn't seem to far-fetched that it could have come from a similar contamination, since monkey organs were often used for making the vaccines.
That said, there has to be some evidence for this, but even if it existed at one point it would have probably been destroyed by now.
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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.
Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Cannashroom]
#13646056 - 12/17/10 09:52 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, we know for a fact that millions of people in the US were infected with the SV40 virus (possibly causing much cancer today) from contaminated polio vaccines in the 50s. Doesn't seem to far-fetched that it could have come from a similar contamination, since monkey organs were often used for making the vaccines.
That said, there has to be some evidence for this, but even if it existed at one point it would have probably been destroyed by now.
Spot on my friend. You should watch the videos I posted, or go to houseofnumbers.com . It's about a Canadian kid who goes around the WORLD interviewing TOP AIDS/HIV experts, even pioneers in that field.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Synthetic Virus, Scientific Mishap, or Natural Virus??? [Re: Stillmatic9142]
#13646111 - 12/17/10 10:18 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've heard that he completely misused the interviews and all those scientists were pissed about it. It's about AIDS denialism right? I heard it was a load of crap.
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