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 Dragonaut
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 Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008  [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
#13591767 - 12/06/10 07:22 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never exhaled either
..... well maybe once 
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#13592712 - 12/06/10 10:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:Slashing the military budget is not easy but someone needs to do it.
As much as I agree, would a president actually have the power to do such a thing? The military certainly doesn't fuck around and are in a ideal position to pressure higher ups into doing their bidding. Not to mention other shadier organizations that would likely involve themselves in this scenario. Power is really precious to some people, I don't think many will give it up before fighting for it with everything they got. And as long as their games are played (Voting and submitting), I feel they will be like the house in a casino, always with the upper hand.
Ever heard anyone refer to the president as "commander and cheif"? Yea he is technically as high as it goes in the US military... the DoD (department of defense) and the federal executive department of war also make "desicions". Each branch of the army itself, aka U.S. Army, Marine corps, ect., do their own descion manking, but under the guise of the 3 stated powers that be; the president being the one whom is at the top.
But you can bet your ass he has power. If Obama had the balls he could pull all troops out of the middle east and  the generals.
Some one correct me if I am wrong.
He does control the military, but not its funding. Thats controlled by congress.
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LongStrangeTrip
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: demon6fire]
#13592754 - 12/06/10 10:11 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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demon6fire said:
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LongStrangeTrip said:
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Byrain said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:Slashing the military budget is not easy but someone needs to do it.
As much as I agree, would a president actually have the power to do such a thing? The military certainly doesn't fuck around and are in a ideal position to pressure higher ups into doing their bidding. Not to mention other shadier organizations that would likely involve themselves in this scenario. Power is really precious to some people, I don't think many will give it up before fighting for it with everything they got. And as long as their games are played (Voting and submitting), I feel they will be like the house in a casino, always with the upper hand.
Ever heard anyone refer to the president as "commander and cheif"? Yea he is technically as high as it goes in the US military... the DoD (department of defense) and the federal executive department of war also make "desicions". Each branch of the army itself, aka U.S. Army, Marine corps, ect., do their own descion manking, but under the guise of the 3 stated powers that be; the president being the one whom is at the top.
But you can bet your ass he has power. If Obama had the balls he could pull all troops out of the middle east and the generals.
Some one correct me if I am wrong.
He does control the military, but not its funding. Thats controlled by congress.
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LongStrangeTrip said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:Slashing the military budget is not easy but someone needs to do it.
As much as I agree, would a president actually have the power to do such a thing? The military certainly doesn't fuck around and are in a ideal position to pressure higher ups into doing their bidding. Not to mention other shadier organizations that would likely involve themselves in this scenario. Power is really precious to some people, I don't think many will give it up before fighting for it with everything they got. And as long as their games are played (Voting and submitting), I feel they will be like the house in a casino, always with the upper hand.
Ever heard anyone refer to the president as "commander and cheif"? Yea he is technically as high as it goes in the US military... the DoD (department of defense) and the federal executive department of war also make "desicions". Each branch of the army itself, aka U.S. Army, Marine corps, ect., do their own descion manking, but under the guise of the 3 stated powers that be; the president being the one whom is at the top.
But you can bet your ass he has power. If Obama had the balls he could pull all troops out of the middle east and the generals.
Some one correct me if I am wrong.
He does control the military, but not its funding. Thats controlled by congress.
I don't see why an executive order could not be used. It is basically equivalent to an ant of congress, it technically acts as one, though the debate surrounding the 1st amendment has been brought up against such orders from time to time in our history. Despite the arguments, if laws are not passed by the legislature after the giving of an executive order by the president, it is claimed (successfully) that the power is granted to the executive branch in the constitution. Executive orders also directly correlate to the workings of federal agencies and the federal government itself, not specific laws; the budget is obviously a candidate for the military.
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#13592940 - 12/06/10 10:47 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I really like this guy too.
He'd probably have my vote.
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anarchOi
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: bryguy27007]
#13592955 - 12/06/10 10:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys sound like round 2 of Obama supporters
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: anarchOi]
#13593162 - 12/06/10 11:20 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: anarchOi]
#13593241 - 12/06/10 11:30 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys sound like round 2 of Obama supporters
quite the contrary...this guy displays the traits of honesty and transparency, those of which obama do not possess
support obama?...not this guy, EVER! 
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#13593613 - 12/07/10 12:49 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTrip said:
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Byrain said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:Slashing the military budget is not easy but someone needs to do it.
As much as I agree, would a president actually have the power to do such a thing? The military certainly doesn't fuck around and are in a ideal position to pressure higher ups into doing their bidding. Not to mention other shadier organizations that would likely involve themselves in this scenario. Power is really precious to some people, I don't think many will give it up before fighting for it with everything they got. And as long as their games are played (Voting and submitting), I feel they will be like the house in a casino, always with the upper hand.
Ever heard anyone refer to the president as "commander and cheif"? Yea he is technically as high as it goes in the US military... the DoD (department of defense) and the federal executive department of war also make "desicions". Each branch of the army itself, aka U.S. Army, Marine corps, ect., do their own descion manking, but under the guise of the 3 stated powers that be; the president being the one whom is at the top.
But you can bet your ass he has power. If Obama had the balls he could pull all troops out of the middle east and the generals.
Some one correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, I am aware of the president's theoretical power, but does reality correspond with it? There are a lot of people in the government who are very happy with the way things are going, influence and wealth are big motivators. So, assuming someone who wants to end the war actually manages to get elected without their loyalty getting bought beforehand, I imagine ending the war and getting the military to cooperate would be like pulling teeth at the very least.
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anarchOi
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: goldennic007]
#13593652 - 12/07/10 12:56 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys sound like round 2 of Obama supporters
quite the contrary...this guy displays the traits of honesty and transparency, those of which obama do not possess
support obama?...not this guy, EVER!
No but really... what is this guy promising that Obama didn't?
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: anarchOi]
#13594037 - 12/07/10 02:35 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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No but really... what is this guy promising that Obama didn't?
Large military cuts.
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: anarchOi]
#13594218 - 12/07/10 03:28 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys sound like round 2 of Obama supporters
omg everyone he's so jaded
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Green_T
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Re: Gov. Gary Johnson: I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008 [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#13594303 - 12/07/10 04:19 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTrip said:
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Byrain said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:Slashing the military budget is not easy but someone needs to do it.
As much as I agree, would a president actually have the power to do such a thing? The military certainly doesn't fuck around and are in a ideal position to pressure higher ups into doing their bidding. Not to mention other shadier organizations that would likely involve themselves in this scenario. Power is really precious to some people, I don't think many will give it up before fighting for it with everything they got. And as long as their games are played (Voting and submitting), I feel they will be like the house in a casino, always with the upper hand.
Ever heard anyone refer to the president as "commander and cheif"? Yea he is technically as high as it goes in the US military... the DoD (department of defense) and the federal executive department of war also make "desicions". Each branch of the army itself, aka U.S. Army, Marine corps, ect., do their own descion manking, but under the guise of the 3 stated powers that be; the president being the one whom is at the top.
But you can bet your ass he has power. If Obama had the balls he could pull all troops out of the middle east and the generals.
Some one correct me if I am wrong.
Technically that is true, but I am not sure if it works practically: http://www.alternet.org/media/148367/michael_moore:_woodward_book_reveals_that_civilian_control_of_the_military_is_a_joke
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"But here's the question Woodward doesn't answer: Why, exactly, can't a president weather ending a war, even if he has to fire all his generals to do it? It's right there in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution: The President's in charge of the military. And so is Congress: the army can't just march over to the Treasury Department and steal the money for wars. Article I, Section 9 says Congress has to appropriate it.
In the real world, though, the Constitution's just a piece of paper. In the real world, a President who fired his top military in order to stop a war would be ruined before you could say "bloodless coup." The Washington Post (filled with ads from Boeing and Northrop Grumman) would scream about how he was the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain. Fox and CNN (filled with "experts" who work for think tanks funded by Raytheon and General Dynamics) would say he was a girly-man who had to be impeached. And Congress (which experienced its own escalation in lobbying from defense contractors just as the Afghanistan escalation was being decided) might well do it. (By the way, if you want to listen to Lyndon Johnson talk in 1964 about how he might be impeached if he didn't follow the military-industrial complex's orders and escalate the war in Vietnam, just go here.)"
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