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 Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things...  [Re: soldatheero]
#13535082 - 11/24/10 02:16 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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OHHHHHH MY GOD
Guys.
YOU HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN THE MYSTIC.
If you need psych drugs to get there, well, you're still ACTING like a retard.
Fluke of brain chemistry??? HAHAHAHA. Look, your society and its paradigm is either really naive or YOU'RE BEING FUCKED IN THE ASS DAILY BY A GLOBAL ELITE.
Does your ass tingle?
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: deCypher]  1
#13535109 - 11/24/10 02:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Will they ever recant their beliefs? What would be required for such a paradigm shift?
A pinch of evidence might help.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: deranger]
#13535113 - 11/24/10 02:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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there are many other examples of how aloneness has helped people overcome such fears.
This reminds me of one of my more memorable psychedelic experiences.
I had taken 3 hits of acid, along with two other friends of mine. We rolled a fat blunt and went down to some drainage tunnels to smoke it and look at the graffiti, which we all had quite an interest in at the time. So since it's my first time being down in "the tunnels" I was made to go down a side tunnel which was much smaller and darker than the main 12ft tall one.
The smaller tunnel was just tall enough to walk in without scraping your head on the top, at least for my nearly 6ft self  .
After walking through complete darkness for a while, made to go first, in a strange environment while tripping decently hard, I got over any latent fear of the dark or of the unknown which is out in front of me during such times. Nowadays I actually feel at home in the dark, more comfortable. I'd just as soon go back down underneath the streets as I would anything else, I really did enjoy my time down there gazing at graffiti and smoking blunts.
One never really knows just what they can get used to until they've been exposed to it long enough. The things the human mind and body can get adjusted to will surprise you.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: TheWolf]
#13535193 - 11/24/10 02:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that they are settled into thier comfort zones, and have closed thier minds to all of the plausibles. They play the odds so to speak. So if the odds were to switch, it would cause the shift.
Maybe 1st hand experience, but I don't see that happening with the closed minded pessimism.
I think aome of the biggest tools that spiritualists use is an uncommon tool to them, which is feeling and intuition.
When you forgo using these over long periods of time, I could see these senses weakening.
The inability to utilize these tools is whats preventing them from even pondering such idea's in my opinion.
Edited by teknix (11/24/10 02:42 PM)
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: circastes]
#13535791 - 11/24/10 04:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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circastes said:
HAHAHAHA. Look, your society and its paradigm is either really naive or YOU'RE BEING FUCKED IN THE ASS DAILY BY A GLOBAL ELITE.
Does your ass tingle?
Everyone seems to be on different levels of experience, so whatever comes anyone's way should be dealt with accordingly, the best thing i can come up with is to think for yourself and completely dive into your experience whatever that may be
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: TheWolf]
#13536078 - 11/24/10 05:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheWolf said:
One never really knows just what they can get used to until they've been exposed to it long enough. The things the human mind and body can get adjusted to will surprise you.
it's amazing how the mind can adapt 
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: deranger]
#13536219 - 11/24/10 06:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting comments guys... thanks for the input.
Also  at the poll.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: deCypher] 1
#13536313 - 11/24/10 06:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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the poll made my night
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: soldatheero]
#13536410 - 11/24/10 06:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander seems to have every other person over in the philosophy forum convinced that all beliefs in the afterlife are merely the result of people brainwashing themselves due to death anxiety.. haha
Well that's because he's right.
The real question here is- Is our fear of death an intentional part of the program. So to speak.
Imagine the range of experience the world would miss out on every single day if no one was afraid to die.
Something to think about.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: deCypher]
#13537003 - 11/24/10 09:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Will they ever recant their beliefs? What would be required for such a paradigm shift?
Proof or at least strong evidence would be required. Personal experience could do it, but I doubt a personal experience that I had under the influence of mind-altering substances would count in making me change my beliefs.
I think it would be cool if reincarnation was real, but I won't believe in it just because I want it to be true. It seems equally as ridiculous as christianity or mormonism or any other random religion to me.
If I ever have a reason to "recant my beliefs" then I will. Or if an angel shows up and tells me that God is real then I'll become a christian. Sounds fair enough to me.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: deCypher]
#13537110 - 11/24/10 09:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Will they ever recant their beliefs? What would be required for such a paradigm shift?
disbelief is a part of the belief system.
what would be requiered? an authority figure to tell them to.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: Shroomerette]
#13537118 - 11/24/10 09:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomerette said:
but I doubt a personal experience that I had under the influence of mind-altering substances would count in making me change my beliefs.
Dose higher.
I had a lot of "beliefs" once upon a time...
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: b0red5tiff]
#13537122 - 11/24/10 09:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
Quote:
deCypher said:
Will they ever recant their beliefs? What would be required for such a paradigm shift?
disbelief is a part of the belief system.
what would be requiered? an authority figure to tell them to.
no...
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: Cups]
#13537141 - 11/24/10 09:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cups said:
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Shroomerette said:
but I doubt a personal experience that I had under the influence of mind-altering substances would count in making me change my beliefs.
Dose higher.
I had a lot of "beliefs" once upon a time...
Well I don't really think of myself as having beliefs at all. Are you saying that you lost all of your beliefs?
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: Cups]
#13537219 - 11/24/10 09:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well that's because he's right.
The real question here is- Is our fear of death an intentional part of the program. So to speak.
Oh ya just like that eh? Every person (millions upon millions) who has come to conclude we live on after death, they believe so only because their perception is skewed because they are afraid of dying and they are just too stupid to realize this.
What a joke.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: soldatheero]
#13537237 - 11/24/10 10:00 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^No no. What I am saying is...if you weren't afraid to die would you ever think about it?
Try to think of one thing that you think about that you don't also worry about it some way.
Just one.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: Cups]
#13537279 - 11/24/10 10:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh I see what you are saying, that is true.
Icelander as far as I know believes what I said.. "the result of people brainwashing themselves"
And yes worry makes us think. Worry is linked to uncertainties, any uncertainty can cause worry as we like to know what we are dealing with.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: Shroomerette]
#13537332 - 11/24/10 10:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMO His stance is since it's impossible to KNOW for sure, then all beliefs are attempts to mitigate death.
I agree with that. Not saying anyone is wrong or right, just that all beliefs are inherently unprovable and therefor a bit cheesy.
Which brings me to-
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Shroomerette said:
Well I don't really think of myself as having beliefs at all. Are you saying that you lost all of your beliefs?
For the "big" questions...yes. The only "big" question I am willing to 100% stick my neck out there and stand behind is the illusion of individual personality.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: Shroomerette]
#13538796 - 11/25/10 08:19 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomerette said:
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b0red5tiff said:
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deCypher said:
Will they ever recant their beliefs? What would be required for such a paradigm shift?
disbelief is a part of the belief system.
what would be requiered? an authority figure to tell them to.
no...
yes.
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Re: Disbelievers in the spiritual and mystical side of things... [Re: b0red5tiff]
#13538837 - 11/25/10 08:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is what did it for me
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Being around a lot of trippers when i got into weed exposed me to a lot of their spiritual theories, and to be honest i disregarded them as being absolutely batshit insane, however after experiencing LCD for my first time I saw and felt many things that they had described.
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Edited by psi_vosbi (11/25/10 08:41 AM)
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