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 Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics)  [Re: Doc_T]
#13377717 - 10/23/10 10:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ihave two going with pe , same style tub...first flush all mutants but the second is all normal fruits...my humidity drops a lot too so I've been misting heavily and using wax paper
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: MoJesus]
#13377861 - 10/23/10 10:52 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about side pinning? I know its because I didn't use a liner. But it's too late now. So what should I do about it? Just let em be?
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: c_glidden]
#13378647 - 10/24/10 02:31 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've got a lot too..I just let them go..rather have side pinning than none/contams
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: MoJesus]
#13378692 - 10/24/10 02:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've got a lot too..I just let them go..rather have side pinning than none/contams
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: Synocybin]
#13387163 - 10/25/10 10:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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what are the benefits over a regular monotub?
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: ar1es]
#13389201 - 10/26/10 10:49 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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what are the benefits over a regular monotub?
predictability. You'll never get the polyfill in the holes perfectly every time with the same density.
I've read the grow logs and teks in which guys just crank out monster flushes from every tub perfectly. But I never had such predictable results. Sometimes its too moist, sometimes too dry. Or even worse, uneven evaporation, which causes uneven pinning.
I'm sure you could perfect the old method, but this newer method makes a lot more sense to me. Eliminate some of the variability and eliminate the need for polyfill. It's a no brainer.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: anonjon]
#13389744 - 10/26/10 01:13 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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ar1es said:
what are the benefits over a regular monotub?
predictability. You'll never get the polyfill in the holes perfectly every time with the same density.
I've read the grow logs and teks in which guys just crank out monster flushes from every tub perfectly. But I never had such predictable results. Sometimes its too moist, sometimes too dry. Or even worse, uneven evaporation, which causes uneven pinning.
I'm sure you could perfect the old method, but this newer method makes a lot more sense to me. Eliminate some of the variability and eliminate the need for polyfill. It's a no brainer.
Its all about consistency. You need to be relatively accurate in the measurements of your ingredients for this. If you are growing on a large scale w/o isolated genetics you can expect to have slight variation from tub to tub.
In the end its relative to the amount of H2O, nutrients, and weight in substrate you start out with which determines the yield.
its just dependent upon fruiting conditions how much you put out on your first flush. I don't care what anyone says; I have grown commercially and experienced this first hand. In the end your subsequent flushes make up for any lack of performance on the first in respect to low yielding tubs.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: c_glidden]
#13397017 - 10/27/10 09:50 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Update on the left tub:
- Picked off a few mutants that were early starters. (Munched em last night, they were really potent!)
- Began using wax paper trick
- The top has blobs and super tiny mushrooms and the veils pop open very early.
- The sides unfortunately have the best looking mushrooms out of the whole tub.
- Most interesting: the bottom of the tub has more shrooms then anywhere else. They are jammed in there squishing against the tub but still growing.
Has anyone experienced anything like this?
Have any ideas as to whats causing it besides not using a liner?
I will get pictures as soon as possible, don't have the camera at the moment.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: c_glidden]
#13397054 - 10/27/10 09:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
c_glidden said:
Update on the left tub:
- Picked off a few mutants that were early starters. (Munched em last night, they were really potent!)
- Began using wax paper trick
- The top has blobs and super tiny mushrooms and the veils pop open very early.
- The sides unfortunately have the best looking mushrooms out of the whole tub.
- Most interesting: the bottom of the tub has more shrooms then anywhere else. They are jammed in there squishing against the tub but still growing.
Has anyone experienced anything like this?
Have any ideas as to whats causing it besides not using a liner?
I will get pictures as soon as possible, don't have the camera at the moment.
Sounds very typical of P.E. Just use a liner next time and make sure its opaque or tape the sides of the tub just in case.
Keep doin what you're doing.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: c_glidden]
#13397069 - 10/27/10 09:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had this happen with a tub of Texans.
I am pretty sure that it was caused by the dryness of
my environment. I kept misting and fanning, and the
surface of the sub kept looking good, but I never got pins.
When I got tired of waiting, I turned the sub over and
found masses of rotting pins. That tub was a fail boat.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: anonjon]
#13397097 - 10/27/10 10:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would it be a bad idea to throw a liner in after the first flush, or is it too late at this point?
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: c_glidden]
#13397110 - 10/27/10 10:04 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Less you mess with it, the better off you'll be.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) [Re: c_glidden]
#13397117 - 10/27/10 10:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would it be a bad idea to throw a liner in after the first flush, or is it too late at this point?
Id guess its too late. It's already been exposed to a lot of light near the bottom and its already pinned down there. Hormonally it's not gonna change much putting a liner in now. It'd probably just be a pain in the ass for nothing.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: c_glidden]
#13410778 - 10/30/10 04:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Side shrooms
Another side
It is pretty much like this around all the sides, the tops barely have anything on them just a few tiny ass mushrooms and the veils pop super early.
There are even shrooms growing on the bottom, check it out
Some of the shrooms are starting to rot so im going to have to pull the block out and harvest soon unfortunately
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: c_glidden]
#13410873 - 10/30/10 04:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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its too dry inside humidity wise, thats why they are fruiting on the sides.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: sandman420]
#13411161 - 10/30/10 06:18 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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id go with a regular monotub with the garbage bag liner at the bottom
the garbage bag sticks to the substrate so when the substrate shrinks and it pulls away from the sides you dont get as much sides pinning as you do without the bag
i dont think all those holes are necessary
you may be drying out the top of the substrate
id go with a few holes but with larger diameter
fill them up w/ polyfill during the colonization time
then fruiting open up all the holes and lay a sheet of wax paper on top to keep the humidity there
and make sure the lid is on as well
you always want the bottom most holes in your tub to be above the substrate line
you want fresh air to circulate but high humidity
too much air and the humidity will be off at the surface and it will dry out
you will also get side pinning
i dont understand the MSG tub
it does nothing to improve on the design of ohms monotub
more holes = more work
duct tape? no need really if you use the garbage bag which serves an additional purpose of getting rid of side pinning
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: ar1es]
#13411168 - 10/30/10 06:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you have a shotgun fc with perlite that can accomodate the large substrate you could try putting it in there elevated off the perlite somehow and keep that mofo nice and moist
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: ar1es]
#13411179 - 10/30/10 06:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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duct tape? no need really if you use the garbage bag which serves an additional purpose of getting rid of side pinning
Yeah, it's pretty much either/or.
At this point, popping that block out and putting in in a shotty seems plausible.
Or just start over and use a bag or tape.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: Doc_T]
#13411252 - 10/30/10 06:48 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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This tub started out with duct tape on it.
I only took the duct tape off when I noticed the extreme amount of pins on the sides.
The duct tape did absolutely nothing to stop side pinning.
I have new tubs colonizing with garbage bag liners as well as duct tape.
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Re: Questions - P.E. in Doc_T style tub (pics) *updated pics* [Re: c_glidden]
#13411332 - 10/30/10 07:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not think that the duct tape failed so much as your
hydration methods failed.
I had this happen too, and the top of my substrate never
looked anything but happy.
I am sure that, given how dry it usually is where I am,
the air in my tub was too dry.
(well, not sure, but this is what I am thinking)
Take care,
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