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 Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman?  [Re: Computerism]
#13390294 - 10/26/10 03:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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So a Zen Master is incapable of becoming enlightened? Got it.
This is actually what I believe.
Why? Just because Bodhidharma said that Zen would only work for five generations?
If I'm not going to believe Bodhidharma about his own system, who should I believe?
If I'm not going to believe a Hollywood filmmaker about his own film, then who should I believe? 
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: Poid] 1
#13390295 - 10/26/10 03:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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good teachers can often use seemingly harsh tactics to awaken students - so-called crazy wisom
like this story of naropa and his teacher tilopa:
Finally, when they were at an empty plain Tilopa said, "Now make a mandala offering so I can give you the upadesha (key instructions)." Naropa looked around and said: "There are no flowers nor any water here to make mandala offering." Tilopa answered: "Does your body not have blood and fingers?" so Naropa cut himself and sprinkled the ground with his own blood; he then cut off his fingers and arrayed them as if they were flowers. Tilopa then struck him with a muddy sandal and knocked him unconscious. When he woke up he was able to see the reality of things as they are. Naropa was completely healed and was given all the upadeshas and further instructions. Naropa became one of the greatest yogins and Tilopa instructed him: "Now, don't debate, don't teach any students - if you act thus you will swiftly attain the highest state.
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: Computerism]
#13390296 - 10/26/10 03:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I'm not going to believe Bodhidharma about his own system, who should I believe?
You're going to have to source the claim that he said it would only work for five generations...
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: deCypher]
#13390356 - 10/26/10 03:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I'm not going to believe Bodhidharma about his own system, who should I believe?
You're going to have to source the claim that he said it would only work for five generations...
I was wrong. It was six generations.
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: deCypher]
#13390391 - 10/26/10 03:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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So far I can see this statement mentioned only once on the Internet in a handbook by Falun Dafa, which would make sense considering the handbook is intended to prove its superiority to any other system. Moreover, it seems ridiculous that valid teaching practices would magically stop working after a certain time interval.
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: deCypher]
#13390487 - 10/26/10 03:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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well zen requires heart-to-heart dharma transmissions from master to student ("a transmission outside the scriptures"), which i guess could become ineffective after time?
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: Computerism]
#13390650 - 10/26/10 04:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I'm not going to believe Bodhidharma about his own system, who should I believe?
You're going to have to source the claim that he said it would only work for five generations...
I was wrong. It was six generations.
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: Poid]
#13401248 - 10/28/10 04:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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You exist to yourself purely in how you view yourself. Others exist to you in very much the same fashion.
You may look through tinted goggles but it is buddha who is providing the platform from which "you" look...
You are this buddha, right now--here, silent and complete.
The drama that unfolds always takes place around this still center. So no matter where you are "in the drama", you remain in your truest form a buddha.
There is never a seperation of non-buddha and buddha--it is all just part of the drama. Once one stops the process of identifying with the drama [which is always happening], he can then sink deeper and deeper into the silence of his own true buddha form.
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: radicaljonny]
#13401377 - 10/28/10 04:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: radicaljonny]
#13401711 - 10/28/10 05:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Once one stops the process of identifying with the drama [which is always happening], he can then sink deeper and deeper into the silence of his own true buddha form.
And what happens when one stops identifying with the true Buddha form?
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: Poid]
#13401741 - 10/28/10 05:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think the true buddha form is identityless
so if you're identifying with anything you're missing it
who sees me in form
who seeks me in sound
perverted are his footsteps upon the way
for he cannot perceive the tathagata
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: deff]
#13401798 - 10/28/10 06:04 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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perverted are his footsteps upon the way
hey man, no personalisms in s&m
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Re: So what are the main differences between a Buddha and an ordinary man/woman? [Re: wellage]
#13401931 - 10/28/10 06:28 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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