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 Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle  [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13371166 - 10/22/10 02:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Run away.
If you have a baby in this world I'll lose the last tiny shred of respect I had left for you.
I'm happy I was born, and maybe I want to bring a child into this world in the future. I don't see anything wrong with that.
why am I not surprised?
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13371169 - 10/22/10 02:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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sure. Not my approach of choice.
Well of course it's a last resort but if you need it....
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Icelander]
#13371181 - 10/22/10 02:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm all about the having the choice, but I know what mine would be.
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Icelander]
#13371196 - 10/22/10 02:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mostly every parent says having child is the best thing that ever happened to them. Adopting is an alternative. I think it really changes ones pcyhe. I wouldn't know for sure yet. But just because you never had a child doesn't mean you need to project that bitterness onto the rest of us masquerading as some type of morality. Life is too short and no one knows what it is about for sure - Why not have a child? Most people would rather be born than not.
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: jivJaN]
#13371207 - 10/22/10 02:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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you never responded to me and i put lots of time and anger into that post.
i want it back now.
feed me.
i criticized you and you did one of the worst deflections possible.
ignored me. you ignored the points i make and continued rambling about the horse i already killed.
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Have you even read his books ?
Have you listened to his talks ?
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I don't think y'all really understand what kind of following Tolle really has. Some people follow this dude like jesus, spend tons of $$ on his books, lectures, etc because they believe in him.
And thats his fault ?
So jesus , himself is to blame for people being fanatic about it christianity ?
" But don't blame me when lil' Eric jumps off of the terrace
You shoulda been watchin him - apparently you ain't parents "
~ Eminem
And that link you posted
eckhart made him a zombie ?
NO !
he made himself a zombie , because he's ill equipped emotionally and intellectually to fully grasp the meaning of what eckhart actually talks about and in turn, unable to integrate this distorted understanding into his life without experiencing bad side effects.
His ideas are powerful because as you take them in , you expose yourself - to yourself.
The fact that he started selling lots of books and making millions will inevitably lead to the wrong kind of people indulging in the material.
and you know what..
if you actually had something factual and negative about him instead of some stupid kids whining and an aggravated bitches hate mongering , i'd prolly back off and let the discussion go about its way.
But this is ignorant bullshit right here and i gotta call it as i see it.
you see my sig down there ?
feel no fear and die trying to fly.
There are people on this forum that come to me for guidance , to vent or simply to have a talk with someone they feel could relate to them.
So i'd be the bad guy if one of them jumped off the roof tomorrow because they didn't understand the metaphor ?
People are likely to create cults surrounding just about any kind of interesting idea.
The matrix movie..one of my favorite movies..
Do you know how many people literally LOST THEIR MINDS before even seeing part 2 and 3 ?
hilarious..
It is exactly the kind of attitude you are displaying here , that festers the minds of these TONE DEF people looking for that shiny, white, bright music to save them from their miserable lives...and they won't think twice to blame the fuckin piper when their retarded dancing gets unbearable.
Cool story, bro. 
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13371211 - 10/22/10 02:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mostly every parent says having child is the best thing that ever happened to them.
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"Parents experience lower levels of emotional well-being, less frequent positive emotions and more frequent negative emotions than their childless peers," says Florida State University's Robin Simon, a sociology professor who's conducted several recent parenting studies, the most thorough of which came out in 2005 and looked at data gathered from 13,000 Americans by the National Survey of Families and Households.
http://www.newsweek.com/2008/06/28/having-kids-makes-you-happy.html
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: deCypher]
#13371248 - 10/22/10 02:36 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm interesting study. I'd like the see the demographics of it though. I could see at first having kids could add A LOT of stress to ones life. And when they are teens it probably can be even worse. But then as they grow older and mature you have friends for life - People that will take care of you just as you took care of them.
I'm curious what he judges as "positive" emotion... I mean sure one could say they are having a great time getting shitfaced at a bar, but that same 24 year old staying home with an infant may feel a love not conventionally recorded as a "positive" emotion.
Either way it's personal choice. It's a shame so many people have kids, intentionally or not, without understanding the responsibility that is involved. I have great parents and grew up in a great household so of course my perspective is going to be different from someone who had a bad childhood.
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13371254 - 10/22/10 02:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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IDK, I wouldn't trust research that came out of a university in Florida...
(BTW, how did this thread get so derailed?)
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13371262 - 10/22/10 02:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll set it back on track 
It's clear this girl is ticked off because she didn't get the kind of attention from Tolle that she wanted. What people often can not take is losing someone's attention when they are themselves attached to that person.
It's like for a long time you've been watching your favorite shows on television and then one day the television says "sorry I have nothing to show you anymore" and just goes off every time you try to turn it on. There's just no one there anymore to react to your desperate need for attention/entertainment/whatever.
What do you do? You go to a website and write a rant about what an arrogant ego maniac it has become because it's not showing you your favorite shows anymore.
"He's moved on to bigger things and doesn't have the time for me anymore, he doesn't think I'm smart enough...how arrogant! He doesn't even like women, not enough to get attached them to anyhow. He doesn't like anyone anymore. He used to be so lonely and needy and I liked him a lot back then because we would spend hours talking together and we had something. But now he's just so cold and distant and won't return my calls...besides he's ugly and I never wanted him anyway, not like that..."
Anyone see the picture?
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13371413 - 10/22/10 03:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
I'm all about the having the choice, but I know what mine would be.
I do too.
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13371426 - 10/22/10 03:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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But then as they grow older and mature you have friends for life - People that will take care of you just as you took care of them.
What planet was that again?
This is the common rational many young use for choosing to have children. Then they fuck up like their parents did and have not so perfect relationships with the offspring. Then they get dumped in the retirement home cause the kids are too busy making the same mistake again.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Icelander]
#13371473 - 10/22/10 03:35 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The main reason I let go of my career goals is to be near my parents. They aren't as young as they used to be. I've been doing a lot of home repair for them 
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13371630 - 10/22/10 04:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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What they could use more is DNA repair.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Icelander]
#13372218 - 10/22/10 06:16 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, something definitely broke along the way...
My girlfriends parents are like this too. They sold their house and built a smaller one with a section for their mom (mothers side) in it complete with living room/kitchen area for her that is seperate from the main livikng room/kitchen. Practically a home within a home for the mother.
Completely different from my family history. Our family reunions consist of a dozen people. Her family has easily twice that every Thanksgiving and Christmas. I don't even want to think about reunions for them 
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 Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13372273 - 10/22/10 06:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait, how old are you?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Cool story, bro.
or·di·nar·y
adj.
1. Commonly encountered; usual. See Synonyms at common.
2.
a. Of no exceptional ability, degree, or quality; average.
b. Of inferior quality; second-rate.
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Poid]
#13372279 - 10/22/10 06:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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23 a month ago.
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13372381 - 10/22/10 06:53 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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23
And you've been with this girl for 4 years ?
Don't you want to experience other women ?
I mean.. you probably don't feel this way now.. but have you thought about it ?
Don't you think you will eventually get annoyed by the girl ?
and then what ?
you adopted a kid to do a 'goody deed' and now this child has to go through his foster parents divorcing.
that's it.
im ragin out and leavin this thread.
apologies to anyone i might have offended here especially the op.
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I'll set it back on track
It's clear this girl is ticked off because she didn't get the kind of attention from Tolle that she wanted. What people often can not take is losing someone's attention when they are themselves attached to that person.
It's like for a long time you've been watching your favorite shows on television and then one day the television says "sorry I have nothing to show you anymore" and just goes off every time you try to turn it on. There's just no one there anymore to react to your desperate need for attention/entertainment/whatever.
What do you do? You go to a website and write a rant about what an arrogant ego maniac it has become because it's not showing you your favorite shows anymore.
"He's moved on to bigger things and doesn't have the time for me anymore, he doesn't think I'm smart enough...how arrogant! He doesn't even like women, not enough to get attached them to anyhow. He doesn't like anyone anymore. He used to be so lonely and needy and I liked him a lot back then because we would spend hours talking together and we had something. But now he's just so cold and distant and won't return my calls...besides he's ugly and I never wanted him anyway, not like that..."
Anyone see the picture?
Thank you.
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: Kickle]
#13372437 - 10/22/10 07:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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23 a month ago.
i'm 23 too... seems like a lot of us are around the same age 
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Re: The truth about Eckhart Tolle [Re: deff]
#13372681 - 10/22/10 07:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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All that youthful energy...
And yeah jiv I have thought about it. There is no plan to marry and the adoption thing is a mutual aspect of not wanting to bring new life into the world but helping the life that is here is a good goal. We both come from solid 2-parent families and as such have a good chance of making something lasting. We are still young and have no intentions of starting a family yet. Both of our parents had kids late, my parents in their late 30s and hers in their 40s. Seems we will likely carry on this trend.
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