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...Without saying too much about myself...

...Sadly, being a true friend, a real friend, was not as important to Tolle...

...An extremely, and I want to say, dangerously isolated individual...

...It's odd, but Eckhart doesn't like women, men, anyone, really. Not enough to shack up with! He is afraid, though, of woman coming after him. And I really know about this. I am not just making it up...

...He did seem to have an interest in me back in the early days...but nothing ever came of it. But it was very sweet and nice. Until fame got the better of him and he showed me that he was not going to do anything...

...but I had no interest in him...

...The heart is a lonely hunter...Ya know?

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If Eckhart is a true master or whatever you wanna call it, then he is only a mirror, all this arrogance & stuff shes saying about him, is her own crap shes projecting onto him, thats why shes having trouble pinpointing exactly what it is shes doesn't like about him.

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Some say this is not unusual for these "guru" types. That sooner or later, things come tumbling down, thanks to a lot of hubris and just ego-overkill. That's right. Ego-overkill. Tolle--and I noticed this many years ago--we were out one day and ended up walking into a bookstore where Tolle knew the guy behind the counter--I busied myself browsing the books, but Tolle came off with an arrogance and know-it-all-ness that surprised me. I had never seen this side of him before--but I blew it off and didn't give it a lot of thought as he rarely acted this way with me. ( I am a woman, by the way.). Now it seems Tolle is all ego. And yes, it is horrendously ironic how he has made the ego anathema, when he has become an ego-maniac himself. I am sad to see it all unfold the way it has.

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Some have speculated about his past relationships. I know of a woman in London; I believe he lived with her, but this was when he was in his 20's. I do believe he had that spiritual experience...

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She says these things like shes digging some dirt on him, but she doesn't actually quote anything about what he said or did, she references some woman in london & doesn't even go into the story, she doesn't mention what he said in that store that made her feel like he was so arrogant.

If Eckhart is a true master or whatever you wanna call it, then he is only a mirror, all this arrogance & stuff shes saying about him, is her own crap shes projecting onto him, thats why shes having trouble pinpointing exactly what it is shes doesn't like about him.

I don't even feel Eckhart that much, but this is ridiculous imo, she doesn't name one thing he actually did that was so bad, just speculates about him

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If Eckhart is a true master or whatever you wanna call it, then he is only a mirror, all this arrogance & stuff shes saying about him, is her own crap shes projecting onto him, thats why shes having trouble pinpointing exactly what it is shes doesn't like about him.

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I can't find the quote buried in those other forums, but it went something like this:

The three ways that a guru (and his followers) deflects criticism.

1. "you just don't understand because you are on a lower spiritual level, etc..."
2. "you are just projecting your own insecurities onto me and so all these criticisms you bring up of me are actually criticisms of yourself..."
3. "I'm not abusing you, this is just 'expedient means' or 'crazy wisdom'. You see, I'm actually purifying your karma by causing you this pain and suffering..."

It always comes back to deflecting the criticisms of the guru or the group and putting it back onto the person doing the criticizing.

Look, I'll grant you this, the lady doesn't reveal any horrifically shocking secrets. But I think that it's an interesting perspective from a person who claims to have been very close with Tolle. Maybe I made my title of my thread more provocative sounding than was warranted by the actual content. But I still think that it's important to realize the human dimension of the guru and the potential for power, fame, and money to corrupt.

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Kickle said:
I have issues with women
Got no shame in it either. My mother and I had a rocky relationship.

Half the time I'm not sure my girlfriend is real. But at least I somehow picked a good one, her personality type is defined by loyalty and protection. It comes through when I stop being blinded by myself. I see how much aid she is providing without me even knowing it at the time. Same for ET. While I liked his first book it was easy to see he was all about making money off the other books. He blew his wad on that first book and should have left it there.

My mother told me that her primary prayer for me and my brother was that we would find good mates. I do think it had something to do with my outcome, because I am a blind fool with women. Sex appeal first, actual person second

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You're in the club dude.  Whenever I find a good psychological match the sexual appeal isn't there and vice versa.  I've had my share of disasters in the name of a few good months of fucking. I'm over it. I haven't been interested in looking around for a long time.  Maybe it's just that at my age I have less testosterone. It's not like I'm a whole lot smarter. Still I know now that it's a game and a lie to make babies and so I'm at least not sucked in blind anymore.

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I think you should judge the teacher as well as the teachings. The teacher is supposed to be the embodiment of what they teach, not just some person who has lots of good advice that they can't even follow themselves.


I agree with this.  If the teacher can't act on his own teaching then he's a fraud or the teachings are unusable.

Let's face it, all these new teachers are just rehashing the old teachings. Only science seems to be coming up with something new. I'm not saying the teachings are wrong or that science is better. I'm just pointing that out.

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Run away.

If you have a baby in this world I'll lose the last tiny shred of respect I had left for you.

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Icelander said:
Run away.

If you have a baby in this world I'll lose the last tiny shred of respect I had left for you.

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Icelander said:
Run away.

If you have a baby in this world I'll lose the last tiny shred of respect I had left for you.

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I have a fear of all the dumb people controlling the future of human evolution because all the intelligent people don't want to breed.  Idiocracy.

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