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 Best way to approach a woman in public 
#13322217 - 10/11/10 08:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I have never had a problem being shy with someone unless it was a complete stranger. When I go out into public I always contemplate on flirting with beautiful women, but when I actually try to muster up the courage to do it, I can't. So my question is: What is the best way to approach someone to get their number, or a date?
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Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Anonymous #1]
#13322269 - 10/11/10 08:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
this.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Tcm19277]
#13322339 - 10/11/10 08:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tcm19277 said:
Quote:
Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
this.
agreed.
but it helps if there is some context to facilitate starting a conversation. for instance if you're in the same section at a bookstore you can ask what she's reading or something. kind of lame at times, but it can work.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: SampaJasli]
#13322377 - 10/11/10 08:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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With chloroform and a rag!!
no, but in all seriousness, in my expierence, the direct confident route is the most sucessful. I have walked right up to girls told them i think they're cute, and that I want to take them out. Its worked more times than it hasnt.
but you have to be completely straight faced and 'cool' about it. its the only way itll work.
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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: ZippoZ]
#13323082 - 10/11/10 11:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just start with conversation then move on to flirting (unless you're very attractive). I'm ugly, I mean really ugly. I've been working at a grocery store for a year and a half and so I have to talk a lot every day. Well I started to notice that girls even above average girls were getting interested with me just making general conversation. That's the best way to start.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Darwin23]
#13323320 - 10/11/10 11:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've always gotten away with either
"Hi there... So I noticed you're quite beautiful, I'm curious what you're like. Tell me something interesting about you."
Or the one that got me a date with my now-fiancee... (after she commented on the song I was listening to in my car, and I stopped to talk to her)
"Well it seems we both appreciate the Butthole Surfers... I was wondering if we might have anything else in common."
Truthfully though, I think you can say almost anything, as long as you communicate two very important things
1. Something about them made you interested, but you're now seeing if YOU actually like them, and if they're worth your time.
2. You're not scared to initiate conversation. This says that you are not scared to do all sorts of other things.
Remember, if you're not having fun talking to someone, why keep doing it? Give it a fair shake, but don't waste your time trying to impress someone who doesn't see how awesome you are at least a little bit at first, or trying to make a doomed conversation interesting with an attractive but ultra-boring person.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Tcm19277]
#13324987 - 10/12/10 12:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tcm19277 said:
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Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
this.
So if you're not good looking (which is usually subjective) don't even try?
I say just go for it, but have an idea of what your going to say, because if you dont and your like me, you'll end up rambling lol. Just the other day i noticed a girl at school and we were passing each other i asked "May i ask your name?" she told me and i introduced myself and told her i have noticed her around and hope to speak again(i had class)
She seemed pretty receptive, we will find out today
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Quote:
Blueyedbehemoth said:
So I have never had a problem being shy with someone unless it was a complete stranger. When I go out into public I always contemplate on flirting with beautiful women, but when I actually try to muster up the courage to do it, I can't. So my question is: What is the best way to approach someone to get their number, or a date?
Accedently trip right in front of her, and be like OH SHIT, I TRIPPED BECAUSE YOU ARE SO BEATIFUL, then get her number & or ask her for a date.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: p4kSouL]
#13325066 - 10/12/10 12:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow who's moderating the moderators 
Look for cues that they're attracted to you before approaching
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Anonymous #2]
#13325241 - 10/12/10 01:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just go up and say what you feel and if you seem normal and confident it won't be weird, but if you seem weird it will be.
Girls like to hear that they're cute and someone was interested to meet them.. it's exciting for them
so give them the gift they want so badly
unless youre a creep, then dont take my advice
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Anonymous #1] 2
#13325572 - 10/12/10 02:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
This is wrong. I've seen less than attractive guys score really good looking girls by simply being straightforward and honest.
"Creepy" is such a fucked up word. Most "creepiness" is a result of ignorance, and improper display of emotions and thoughts.
Girls like to be hit on; all girls, by pretty much all guys. Don't be vulgar, don't be trashy. Be mysterious, be grounded (know who you are, who you want to be, who you don't want to be, and stick with it. Don't pretend, don't be afraid in ANY way to be who you are, or who you think you should be).
Be funny, don't be very cocky, don't be a pushover.
Really though the game is this: numbers. You have to talk to hundreds of women to find a dozen or so that want to "be with" you whom you'd also want to "be with". Talk to lots of girls. The ones that don't like you will let you know, which makes things easy. Trust me when I say that no matter how hot or cool a girl is, you won't want to be with a girl that doesn't want to be with you.
After all the girls that don't want you weed themselves out, you'll be left with a number of individuals that are attracted to and interested in you and you can go from there.
I find it helps to not think about sex too much. Focus on getting to know each other (is this person a cop?!) and go from there.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: SampaJasli]
#13328832 - 10/13/10 02:34 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bookstores are nice. The best ways (for me at least) seem to be when the conversation starts from something honest. Something like asking for a book/movie/coffee/etc. suggestion, sitting next to someone on the bus and just having pointless small talk or asking for help with something. For me it's always turned out that whenever I try to initiate conversation with the goal of getting with the girl, things never work out. However, whenever it starts innocent, things tend to fly smoothly and by the end of our interaction asking for a date almost comes naturally.
By the way, SampaJasli, nice Sinfest sig. Good to see other readers out there.
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Tcm19277 said:
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Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
this.
agreed.
but it helps if there is some context to facilitate starting a conversation. for instance if you're in the same section at a bookstore you can ask what she's reading or something. kind of lame at times, but it can work.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Anonymous #1]
#13339400 - 10/15/10 11:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
Not true. You can be a very good looking guy but if you don't say the right thing, they'll still brush you off and think you're creepy anyway. even being the least bit noticeably shy or nervous will come off as "creepy" to a cute girl you've never met before. I learned this the hard way.
I was always too nervous to have any success with approaching cute girls in public. I'm a very good looking guy (according to every girl i know, not to be cocky. i hate saying that really) but for the longest time, my complete lack of confidence made girls ignore me. Now I'm not shy at all, and have the confidence to approach women. I don't do it anymore though since I'm in a committed relationship, although sometimes cute girls will approach me in public and its very flattering. it feels good, even though i have to turn them down 
its all about the way you carry yourself. also i think pheromones and subconscious body language cues are a MAJOR factor in succeeding with new women. it helps to be getting laid regularly, I'm pretty sure women can sense it or subconsciously smell it in your pheremones. i get sooo much more attention from beautiful girls since I've been having sex almost daily.
Edited by BoneMan (10/15/10 11:56 AM)
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: BoneMan]
#13342696 - 10/16/10 04:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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So with all that daily sex do you have the energy or impetus to do anything worthwhile with your time other than indulging in sexual pleasure or are you just rutting your life away?
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#13343091 - 10/16/10 10:24 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
confidence and a good sense of humor are way more important than looks. cultivate those qualities and you'll have no problem getting #'s OP
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Anonymous #1]
#13344662 - 10/16/10 05:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
Just a warning:
If you aren't above average in the looks, you will probably creep girls out by flirting in public.
That is all.
Are you 16 years old???
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: p4kSouL] 1
#13416952 - 11/01/10 07:06 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Comming from a man who has been married for seven years and hit on all the freaking time because I was married and genuinely not looking for women, well you know what I am about to say.
Confidence, the presence that you have everyting together and you can provide.
LOOKS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT ARE STILL VIRGINS LOL.
anyways. Women want men who can provide. I should start a blog. Provide with confidence and sweep off feet = Lick balls in no time.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Isaacav3]
#13416958 - 11/01/10 07:10 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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hell I got nothing to do, I'll give out women advice on this thread. go ahead ask away.
PRO TIP!!
Get a fucking hair cut, clip your nails, take a shower, smile and walk with a purpus like you have something to do or going on.
my god I love being single again, I mastered attracting women on accident lol.
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-The Master himself. . . . Carl Sagan
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Isaacav3]
#13416966 - 11/01/10 07:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im spamming pick up women tips from a man who knows women waaaaaaaaay too much.
Always leave interactions wishing for more. Never show ALL YOur cards, Women need MYSTRY and Eliteness with a charm. Its easy to radiate if you pretend like you are a calm gentle Asshole that is polite if you know what I mean.
Women will always prefer the alpha male. Even after years of investment. Love? ha This is Survival. We live once to experience as much pleasure as possible.
Always the Alpha Male. The One that knows whats going on. One to take her hand and lead way.
You MUST have competetion for her at all times.
any questions?
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-The Master himself. . . . Carl Sagan
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Isaacav3]
#13416970 - 11/01/10 07:20 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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YOu think you know women? you dont know women. They are more like you than you know and they are their own species all wrapped up next to hello kitty.
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-The Master himself. . . . Carl Sagan
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Isaacav3]
#13420928 - 11/02/10 12:25 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its all in the approach. The first twenty seconds after she notices you is the most important. If you need help read this book. " the art of seduction" i think its called. Same guy that wrote the 48 laws of power. Its a good book even for other things besides picking up women. Check.it out
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Don't you guys feel like tools with all this alpha male art of seduction bullshit?
Wow, women don't see through you instantly?
I've never spat game, I just act normally and met quite a few women by that alone, no reading required. Maybe if you developed a personality and had goals in life, you wouldn't need to read books on how to pick up insecure women.
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just stop being a pussy because if you ever decided to talk to a girl youre gonna come off like a total duck.
QUACK QUACK motherfucker
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dont even approach them is my motto. just put on your pimpest clothes, go to the bar. stand at the bar in a high traffic area and just drink and act cool. act like you dont even give a shit about bitches.
after the girls who think you are attractive start getting drunk they will come up by you to order her drink and probably say something silly to you to get your attention.
it works every time mang.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Psychoslut]
#13425504 - 11/02/10 10:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just tryin to help out the op with this. Spent alotta time locked up so i read alot. Personally i dont use the things in this book because im far above average in the looks and brainpower bro. Im also quite the salesman. Now this book is also good for improvin your hustle and not just picking up women. I suggest everybody read it. I dont suggest using these pyschological tricks to harm anybody. Back in the day i use to work a few woman but i stopped because i couldnt do it no more.But anyways yeah have confidence and if you dont fake it.
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Quote:
Blueyedbehemoth said:
What is the best way to approach someone to get their number, or a date?
I don't know shit about flirting, but I've never had a problem sorting out who I can deal with and who I can't by just directly talking to them. 5% become life-long friends, 95% think they just dodged being turned into a skinsuit.
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Quote:
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Just tryin to help out the op with this. Spent alotta time locked up so i read alot. Personally i dont use the things in this book because im far above average in the looks and brainpower bro. Im also quite the salesman. Now this book is also good for improvin your hustle and not just picking up women. I suggest everybody read it. I dont suggest using these pyschological tricks to harm anybody. Back in the day i use to work a few woman but i stopped because i couldnt do it no more.But anyways yeah have confidence and if you dont fake it.
This paragraph has made your brainpower skills very clear.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: pfxtc]
#13432428 - 11/04/10 04:33 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just stop 'trying' and start 'doing'. And when your 'trying', remember to transition smoothly to 'start doing'
Also, don't take it to seriously, god doesn't exist, you don't NEED women to fullfill your lifes purpose.
So remember kids 'Stop Trying' 'Start Doing'
Oh and remember - girls are pleasured by sex equally if not more soe than guys...they have alot to gain and the ones that don't are not worth it because they won't ever enjoy sex mutually with you and you will in LAMENS terms not get laid without fullfilling expectations and lots of them.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13440800 - 11/05/10 10:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am no woman master, but I'll give you an example of a conversation that I just had. I was in Rasputins (music store) and saw a cute girl looking at tapes.
Me-Wow, don't see many people looking at tapes haha
Her-Yeah, my cd player just broke and I drive a lot and I have a tape player and tapes are cheap so yeah haha
Hah, yeah they're just like 50 cents...what tapes do you have?
*shows tapes*
Uhh, honestly I don't know any of them hahahaha
Yeah it's a bunch of old school rap...*explains each tape* what kind of music do you listen to?
The kind with sound haha
It's that simple. We talked for like five minutes, turns out she's 29 and I'm 18 and looking for like 22 or so max.
Just shave, shower, brush your teeth, use deodorant, and change clothes regularly; then make a comment and use a little balls.
All that "game" shit is complete bullshit. Just be yourself and be cool. Treat her like you would a friend (at first).
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: pfxtc]
#13440907 - 11/05/10 11:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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pfxtc said:
Don't you guys feel like tools with all this alpha male art of seduction bullshit?
Wow, women don't see through you instantly?
I've never spat game, I just act normally and met quite a few women by that alone, no reading required. Maybe if you developed a personality and had goals in life, you wouldn't need to read books on how to pick up insecure women.
Some people have to read a book to learn how to do this.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: Psychoslut]
#13447751 - 11/07/10 12:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychoslut said:
dont even approach them is my motto. just put on your pimpest clothes, go to the bar. stand at the bar in a high traffic area and just drink and act cool. act like you dont even give a shit about bitches.
after the girls who think you are attractive start getting drunk they will come up by you to order her drink and probably say something silly to you to get your attention.
it works every time mang.
Yup. And you eliminate the ones that aren't interested. Not what I always use but
very effective.
I absolutely love using pick up lines. Sort of a game of how silly of a line can I make
work. If a girl is interested it does not mater what you say but how you say it. I also
like to ask when they are going to take me out to get me tipsy and try to take advantage
of me. Works so well I need a patent.
Women reading this - every thing I just said was a joke.
Fella's - 
Peace
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: spock]
#13451478 - 11/08/10 01:22 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just roll up on her like, "Yo, whats up bitch?"
Then you put your dick on her shoulder.
She will look up at you all pissed off, and might start saying a bunch of shit, but all you have to do is lock eyes with her, put your finger on her lips and say "Shhhhhhh. This is right. You need this."
BOOM!
Your lady problems are over.
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: domite]
#13451487 - 11/08/10 01:24 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, I forgot to mention, if that doesn't work, you aren't being confident enough. You can't be all fidgety with your dick on someones shoulder.
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spock
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Re: Best way to approach a woman in public [Re: domite]
#13452392 - 11/08/10 08:07 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Confidents is everything.
Peace
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