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#13110842 - 08/27/10 06:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you define the words;
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con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
Theory
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the·o·ry (th-r, thîr)
n. pl. the·o·ries
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
After reading the definitions, why does conspiracy theory get so much blind ridicule? obviously ALL theories must be scrutinized, but something labeled "conspiracy theory" is often automatically blindly dismissed without proper discourse.
Why is it?
When someone is murdered in the first degree the murderer(s) conspired to kill. when the police investigate the crime, initially they make theories.
Why is it that police are so highly respected and trusted yet some other person automatically is not?
Obviously police are perhaps on average better trained at investigation, but is that the only reason?
I would say "they" have publicly made "conspiracy theory" a fringe nutjob thing by the way it is portrayed through media.
What do you think?
is the connotation fair?
why is the term slandered so much?
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins] 1
#13110871 - 08/27/10 06:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's usually the theorists that give it a bad name...
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#13110899 - 08/27/10 06:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You just read the definition. how can you say that all "theorists" give "it" (what exactly?) a bad name?
i don't understand... I see how that could perhaps be seen true on an individual basis.
Regardless! "theorists" are irrelevant the evidence is what is important.
ALL scientists and police are theorists. Everyone is a theorist!
I have trouble understanding what your statement means...
can you define "it" for me?
Theorists give theory a bad name? *boggle*
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins] 1
#13111134 - 08/27/10 08:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because more than 99% of the conspiracy theories out there are dribble. Not only that but life is hard enough as it is and conspiracy is emotionally synonymous with depression.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13111754 - 08/27/10 11:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
Because more than 99% of the conspiracy theories out there are dribble. Not only that but life is hard enough as it is and conspiracy is emotionally synonymous with depression.
Cheers,
AA
Is that a scientific statistical fact, or an expression of your bias and a conspiracy theory of your own?
obviously 99% is not scientific fact.
do you include all police/detective/forensic work in as dribble (drivel)? (I can see you have some trouble with other definitions of words as well...)
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driv·el (drvl)
v. driv·eled or driv·elled, driv·el·ing or driv·el·ling, driv·els
v.intr.
1. To slobber; drool.
2. To flow like spittle or saliva.
3. To talk stupidly or childishly.
v.tr.
1. To allow to flow from the mouth.
2. To say (something) stupidly.
n.
1. Saliva flowing from the mouth.
2. Stupid or senseless talk.
Why is "conspiracy emotionally synonymous with depression" to you? sure it is a not-so-nice thing to begin with but basically this is the essence of the question of this thread.
Why is "conspiracy theory" a negative thing in your mind? why do you associate it with negative things, drivel and depression?
the definition of the words "conspiracy" and "theory" in no way refer, hint, or include anything to be drivel or depressing - why do you add those meanings to the words?
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins] 2
#13113889 - 08/28/10 01:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't mind these replies. You are absolutely correct.
The term "Conspiracy Theory" has been deliberately propagated by the media to portray a specific "impractical nut-job idea." Wherein, the majority who hear that specific combination of words, "Conspiracy Theory," automatically tune out because of the their preconceived notions (which aren't actually theirs, but given to them by external sources eg. the media) towards whatever topic might be presented. It's either that, or they force themselves to go into it, not skeptical but even worse, completely doubtful; to the point where they wont even listen to the facts, that connect the theory itself, but instead ridicule the theory the whole time as being "so damn crazy," not even listening to what is being presented.
There's really nothing you can do, except realize that humans are puppets and are easily controlled. It's up to them to cut their strings.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#13114898 - 08/28/10 05:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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WakeboardrB said:
It's usually the theorists that give it a bad name...
especially when they use movies based on myths as proof that the myths are true
I wish I had some good examples right now, but some conspiracy theorists are just absolutely insane
and unfortunately makes people that much less likely to take a valid conspiracy theory seriously
because sometimes its just so hard to tell which are valid, which are the product of insanity, and which have ulterior motives
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: the bizzle]
#13115284 - 08/28/10 07:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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okay, when i say "conspiracy theorist" its opbvious some people automatically think of a certain group of people as in people who talk about aliens and coverupts etc.
the point in (still) trying to make is that those people are only a fraction of people who can rightly be called conspiracy theorists.
bizzle: imahine if police investigated murders like you do...
"some guy we interrogated had ulterior motives and told us some lies and there is also a "insane" homeless guy as a witness - lets drop the case."
Do you think a police detective would do that? don't you think that professional investigators have all sorts of lies and steps they have to go through before uncovering the truth? They don't just give up and call all accusations of murder from then on "drivel" and never investigate anything no, they do their job and get to the bottom of it.
The bottom line is that people who tend to associate the words "conspiracy theory" with "nutjob" etc. are just plain LAZY!
Scientists often have to do thousands of tests among thousands of claims to establish scientific fact. Why don't you have the same distaste for science and scientists who make false hypothesis? it's essentially the same thing.
And why have the same, or even more distaste for the scientist who would go and sift through all of the claims and do the tests? (nypothetically)
It doesn't make sense.
i DO sense though (evidenced by the wording of the posts) that some of the posters so far have pre-conceived notions about the term, which is very un-scientific!
Let me try to ask this another way; Why do you group ONLY or MOSTLY those people with "wild and insane" claims under the term "conspiracy theory"
Why ignore all legit detectives or investigators when you think of the term.
Who do you associate "wild and crazy" and not "detective or investigator?" to the term.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins]
#13115350 - 08/28/10 07:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island...
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bizzle: imahine if police investigated murders like you do...
what the hell are you talking about?
apparently you did not read me well at all. I was saying that it is unfortunate that conspiracy theory has a negative connotation, for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with my own methods of investigation.
lazy? try digging through countless conspiracy theories to try to figure out which ones are relevant, which are ungrounded, which are hoaxes and why, etc. You have to be pretty damned determined to really get to the bottom of things without simply believing or non-believing all conspiracy theories by default
and that is a major source of the problem.
Conspiracy theories are sorta like country music or rap. Many gems, and even more crap, coming from a vast variety of perspectives. Does that mean I shun country or rap altogether? Absolutely not, but many people do, because they have pretty much only been exposed to the crap
btw, with most of your post I can't tell if you are addressing me, or if some of what you said was somehow a reaction to what you inaccurately perceived as my attitude. "let's drop the case"...that is a completely ungrounded and eccentric line of thinking that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was getting at,
which is not even my own feelings, really....just observing why PEOPLE (not me) might have a negative connotation towards conspiracy theories. Some conspiracy theories are created by people who really have no idea what they are talking about, but they are convinced (or sometimes even pretend to be convinced) that they do.
and again, that is only to say that it is hard for a real diamond to be spotted or taken seriously when it is mixed in with a bag of cubic zirconia
Edited by the bizzle (08/29/10 03:59 AM)
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins]
#13117875 - 08/29/10 09:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psy ops.
Disinformation/discrediting has been the major method of keeping military/government secrets that are being leaked.
The conspiracy theorist truth seeker movement has grown greatly over the past 20 or so years, the response of the intelligence agents was to discredit it as a movement.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins]
#13119365 - 08/29/10 04:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shins said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
Because more than 99% of the conspiracy theories out there are dribble. Not only that but life is hard enough as it is and conspiracy is emotionally synonymous with depression.
Cheers,
AA
Is that a scientific statistical fact, or an expression of your bias and a conspiracy theory of your own?
obviously 99% is not scientific fact.
do you include all police/detective/forensic work in as dribble (drivel)? (I can see you have some trouble with other definitions of words as well...)
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driv·el (drvl)
v. driv·eled or driv·elled, driv·el·ing or driv·el·ling, driv·els
v.intr.
1. To slobber; drool.
2. To flow like spittle or saliva.
3. To talk stupidly or childishly.
v.tr.
1. To allow to flow from the mouth.
2. To say (something) stupidly.
n.
1. Saliva flowing from the mouth.
2. Stupid or senseless talk.
Why is "conspiracy emotionally synonymous with depression" to you? sure it is a not-so-nice thing to begin with but basically this is the essence of the question of this thread.
Why is "conspiracy theory" a negative thing in your mind? why do you associate it with negative things, drivel and depression?
the definition of the words "conspiracy" and "theory" in no way refer, hint, or include anything to be drivel or depressing - why do you add those meanings to the words?
Why are 99 % of them drivel, because they always result in false predictions the future....how many times has there been a conspiracy about the future, ie. some form of war, some form of armageddon, etc and it never actually comes to anything....
Also, conspiracy is not depressing to me because it is alrite, i've lived a happy life, but most people are already depressed with the way life is right now...add conspiracy to the mix and you get a failure in terms of acceptability.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Shins]
#13122494 - 08/30/10 07:10 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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The word 'conspiracy' already has a negative connotation.
as one way of defining it
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
but I think we both already know this, and this isn't the kind of negativity you are talking about.
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Shins said:
After reading the definitions, why does conspiracy theory get so much blind ridicule? obviously ALL theories must be scrutinized, but something labeled "conspiracy theory" is often automatically blindly dismissed without proper discourse.
Why is it?
When someone is murdered in the first degree the murderer(s) conspired to kill. when the police investigate the crime, initially they make theories.
Why is it that police are so highly respected and trusted yet some other person automatically is not?
Obviously police are perhaps on average better trained at investigation, but is that the only reason?
I would say "they" have publicly made "conspiracy theory" a fringe nutjob thing by the way it is portrayed through media.
What do you think?
is the connotation fair?
why is the term slandered so much?
I don't think it's fair to consider all conspiracy theorists as 'nut-jobs',
Why do we associate crack-pottery with conspiracy theories?
Well, maybe because one of the more famous conspiracy theories, the roswell incident for example, deals with a paranormal subject,
and so the paranormal subject is a subset of the set of all conspiracy theories.
lots of ppl make assumptions and judgements of the set based on the subset.
so even the legitimate conspiracy theories lose their notion of legitimacy because the illegitimate subsets give a bad reputation towards the set.
maybe idk, im 
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13122530 - 08/30/10 07:34 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its exactly that. Not many people bother to research their selves when they can erroneously but easily copy the opinion of others. They can just stick it in a box with other unexplained phenomena and label it as "crazy peoples beliefs".
The only other thing is the playing on of this concept by the people that wish to hide the conspiracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States)
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#13128558 - 08/31/10 01:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe BiG_StroOnZ hit the nail on the head, but here is some more to mull over in your Brain.
"Conspiracy theory is a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal or political conspiracy. However, it has come almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning. To conspire means “to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end.” The term “conspiracy theory” is frequently used by scholars and in popular culture to identify secret military, banking, or political actions aimed at stealing power, money, or freedom, from “the people”.
To many, conspiracy theories are just human nature. Not all people in this world are honest, hard working and forthcoming about their intentions. Certainly we can all agree on this. So how did the term “conspiracy theory” get grouped in with fiction, fantasy and folklore? Maybe that’s a conspiracy, just kidding. Or am I?
Skeptics are important in achieving an objective view of reality, however, skeptism is not the same as reinforcing the official storyline. In fact, a conspiracy theory can be argued as an alternative to the official or “mainstream” story of events. Therefore, when skeptics attempt to ridicule a conspiracy theory by using the official story as a means of proving the conspiracy wrong, in effect, they are just reinforcing the original “mainstream” view of history, and actually not being skeptical. This is not skeptism, it is just a convenient way for the establishment view of things to be seen as the correct version, all the time, every time. In fact, it is common for “hit pieces” or “debunking articles” to pick extremely fringe and not very populated conspiracy theories. This in turn makes all conspiracies on a subject matter look crazy. Skeptics magazine and Popular Mechanics, among many others, did this with 9/11. They referred to less than 10% of the many different conspiracy theories about 9/11 and picked the less popular ones, in fact, they picked the fringe, highly improbable points that only a few people make. This was used as the “final investigation” for looking into the conspiracy theories. Convenient, huh?
In fact, if one were to look into conspiracy theories, they will largely find that thinking about a conspiracy is associated with lunacy and paranoia. Some websites suggest it as an illness. It is also not surprising to see so many people on the internet writing about conspiracy theories in a condescending tone, usually with the words “kool-aid,” “crack pot,” or “nut job” in their articulation. This must be obvious to anyone that emotionally writing about such serious matter insults the reader more than the conspiracy theorist because there is no need to resort to this kind of behavior. It is employed often with an “expert” who will say something along the lines of, “for these conspiracies to be true, you would need hundreds if not thousands of people to be involved. It’s just not conceivable.”
I find it extremely odd that the assumption is on thousands of participants in a conspiracy. I, for one, find it hard to believe any conspiracy involving more than a handful of people but the fact remains that there have been conspiracies in our world, proven and not made up, that involved many hundreds of people. It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact.
One more thing to consider, have you noticed that if the conspiracy is involving powerful interests with the ability to bribe, threaten or manipulate major institutions (like the mafia, big corporations or government) then don’t you find it odd when people use one of those as the “credible” counter-argument? What I mean is, if you are discussing a conspiracy about the mafia, and someone hands you a debunking article that was written by the mafia, it doesn’t seem like it would take rocket science to look at that with serious criticism and credibility. This is the case with many conspiracies. In fact, I am handed debunking pieces all the time written in many cases by the conspirators in question. Doesn’t this seem odd to anybody else but me?"
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: amIawakewhenIdream]
#13190994 - 09/13/10 08:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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It think it's because people are happy being ignorant and being led by recognizable and CULTurally acceptable celebrities like news casters and government officials.
When 70% of the population is happy to follow the "lamb" of God and be in a "flock", you really can't expect much original thought/expression. Especially when you realize this same God had his "lamb" brutally tortured and executed, by the Romans who would then go on to spread this belief at the point of a sword for a few hundred years.
The list of absurdities that are commonly accepted is massive, yet 9/11 being perpetrated by the government who went on to kill a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians(who were not involved in 9/11 in ANY way), is too far-fetched.
It really is amazing how little logic and reason influence people's life/beliefs.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13197269 - 09/15/10 01:46 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Shins said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
Because more than 99% of the conspiracy theories out there are dribble. Not only that but life is hard enough as it is and conspiracy is emotionally synonymous with depression.
Cheers,
AA
Is that a scientific statistical fact, or an expression of your bias and a conspiracy theory of your own?
obviously 99% is not scientific fact.
do you include all police/detective/forensic work in as dribble (drivel)? (I can see you have some trouble with other definitions of words as well...)
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driv·el (drvl)
v. driv·eled or driv·elled, driv·el·ing or driv·el·ling, driv·els
v.intr.
1. To slobber; drool.
2. To flow like spittle or saliva.
3. To talk stupidly or childishly.
v.tr.
1. To allow to flow from the mouth.
2. To say (something) stupidly.
n.
1. Saliva flowing from the mouth.
2. Stupid or senseless talk.
Why is "conspiracy emotionally synonymous with depression" to you? sure it is a not-so-nice thing to begin with but basically this is the essence of the question of this thread.
Why is "conspiracy theory" a negative thing in your mind? why do you associate it with negative things, drivel and depression?
the definition of the words "conspiracy" and "theory" in no way refer, hint, or include anything to be drivel or depressing - why do you add those meanings to the words?
Why are 99 % of them drivel, because they always result in false predictions the future....how many times has there been a conspiracy about the future, ie. some form of war, some form of armageddon, etc and it never actually comes to anything....
Also, conspiracy is not depressing to me because it is alrite, i've lived a happy life, but most people are already depressed with the way life is right now...add conspiracy to the mix and you get a failure in terms of acceptability.
you just want to be absolved form bullshit... but you are BS. that's basically what you are saying.
durp. you are smart-like... but self-serving.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: akira_akuma]
#13201593 - 09/15/10 11:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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here's the official explanation
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#13201622 - 09/15/10 11:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
Don't mind these replies. You are absolutely correct.
The term "Conspiracy Theory" has been deliberately propagated by the media to portray a specific "impractical nut-job idea." Wherein, the majority who hear that specific combination of words, "Conspiracy Theory," automatically tune out because of the their preconceived notions (which aren't actually theirs, but given to them by external sources eg. the media) towards whatever topic might be presented. It's either that, or they force themselves to go into it, not skeptical but even worse, completely doubtful; to the point where they wont even listen to the facts, that connect the theory itself, but instead ridicule the theory the whole time as being "so damn crazy," not even listening to what is being presented.
There's really nothing you can do, except realize that humans are puppets and are easily controlled. It's up to them to cut their strings.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: Grav]
#13202726 - 09/16/10 06:19 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grav, that honestly scares me.
I was telling people years ago that I bet they would start linking truth movements and activists to terrorism.
Its just so obvious. They've got the patriot act, these news stories are the psy ops propaganda. Now theres nothing stopping them. Anyone speaking out against government corruption can be indefinately detained and tortured.
It makes me sad seeing that and finding out I was right. I wish I was wrong. Theres bad bad times ahead. This stuff is going to make Nazi germany look like a holiday camp.
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Re: Why does the term "conspiracy theory" have negative connotations? [Re: nice1]
#13205259 - 09/16/10 06:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea they tie it off with a nice little seed for a gun ban as well
silly talking heads
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