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I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days..
    #13082225 - 08/21/10 11:58 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.


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    #13083074 - 08/21/10 04:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13083838 - 08/21/10 07:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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PowerTrip said:
I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




WTF is wrong with having sex with multiple partners? Not only that, but to bring stupid religion into this?
For which reasons does it bother you that other people, whose lives are independent from yours, are having more than one sex partner?
It boggles the mind. :nut:


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13085608 - 08/22/10 10:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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WTF is wrong with having sex with multiple partners? Not only that, but to bring stupid religion into this?
For which reasons does it bother you that other people, whose lives are independent from yours, are having more than one sex partner?



It's not that it is wrong in and of itself.  I do feel in most cases it is a very empty act.  With regards to the religion comment that's simply a personal observation.  I have a small part of my family that is deeply religious and through them I've met many of those types of people and while I am not religious myself, but spiritual, I do see that those who saved themselves are very content in their relationships while my friends who are out fucking anything are simply never happy.  It's a consequence of reducing human interaction to a business deal.

There's a very good thread that touches on this subject in the well-being forum.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9181680


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13085973 - 08/22/10 12:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I had a good relationship in the beginning of the year.  Then we became "friends."  Then we became arch enemies.  Bound to happen I guess :justdontknow:  I enjoy hooking up in relationships to random hookups as there is the added mental component.  However, that being said, finding quality girls can be tough so banging a random girl from time to time isn't anything to fret about.  Honestly, I think banging random girls all the time is perfectly fine - it is, after all, between two consenting adults.  It's just not my bag - sex tends to make me emotionally attached.  Nothin I can really do about that.


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    #13087915 - 08/22/10 09:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13089044 - 08/23/10 03:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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PowerTrip said:
I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




I am 20 and in a monogamous relationship. It has only gone on for 6 months but it has been entirely faithful both ways. I dont really ever have urges for anyone else because the person I'm with is very cool with most things and when we are not cool with something we talk it out. We can do anything together and it will be amazing.

I'm just saying, on the extreme off chance you find the right person, it is possible. Maybe I'm naive from my age and lack of experiences though.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Seanfu]
    #13089061 - 08/23/10 03:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Im about to have my first 3some w/ my wife and her brothers wife. wish me luck :cool:


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13089427 - 08/23/10 09:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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PowerTrip said:
I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




WTF is wrong with having sex with multiple partners? Not only that, but to bring stupid religion into this?
For which reasons does it bother you that other people, whose lives are independent from yours, are having more than one sex partner?
It boggles the mind. :nut:



Where did he ever say anything was wrong with it?

Your coming off a hell of alot more judgmental and close minded than he is.

The fact of the matter is if two people agree to have no other sexual partners and one lies that it's deceitful and not only is it disrespectful towards the relationship and feelings the  two people have for eachother but it also opens up risks for STDs without warning the  other partner.

Random hookups are fine playing the field like a dishonest piece of shit than hiding behind personal freedom isn't.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Tesla]
    #13089501 - 08/23/10 09:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

He barely even mentioned "cheating". He was arguing more against just random hookups, something that doesn't necessarily imply any kind of lying, especially in the context presented by him, where both partners are looking for random hookups. So wtf are you mumbling about?


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13089588 - 08/23/10 10:58 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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He barely even mentioned "cheating". He was arguing more against just random hookups, something that doesn't necessarily imply any kind of lying, especially in the context presented by him, where both partners are looking for random hookups. So wtf are you mumbling about?



I'm  not mumbling about anything he obviously reverse cherry picked the OPs post to project his bitterness towards monogamy and implied that it's disrespectful to expect it from the other partner.

Just trying to illustrate how if his obviously paper thin view on the subject was applied to a much larger scale how it would negatively affect people and relationships.

Monogamy is a choice and a beautiful sacred one for certain people. And frankly if someone is SO against it maybe they should investigate why their projecting their jaded view on the concept of it on others in the first place before dolling out relationship advice.

Did I clear that up for you?...


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13089612 - 08/23/10 11:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




Maybe that's the front they put up, but I think you'd be hard pressed to prove this...


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Seanfu]
    #13089624 - 08/23/10 11:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I am 20 and in a monogamous relationship. It has only gone on for 6 months but it has been entirely faithful both ways. I dont really ever have urges for anyone else because the person I'm with is very cool with most things and when we are not cool with something we talk it out. We can do anything together and it will be amazing.

I'm just saying, on the extreme off chance you find the right person, it is possible. Maybe I'm naive from my age and lack of experiences though.



I would say that you have the distinct benefit of being young, and because of that neither of you have been through many relationships or hookups yet.  Possibly you have, but probably not.

That's why I brought up people who sleep around constantly and how it is becoming such a trend.  By the time most are in their late 20's they have been through so many failed relationships, cheating partners, etc it just makes them fear even trying to commit to someone.  This is how it seemingly becomes a self-perpetuating cycle.  Because people get used, disrespected, and lied to, it becomes the norm in relationships.  It's really a product of fear.  Most people are so upset over all of the past times they've been screwed over in relationships, they use things like cheating to avoid becoming attached or putting trust in anyone again.

It seems like with every sexual partner or relationship a person has, they shift further towards seeing sex as meaningless pleasure, and relationships as simply painful and not worth putting effort into.

The struggle then becomes for someone who wants a real relationship, to find someone who has not been through the emotional wringer yet and has only had a couple partners.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #13089641 - 08/23/10 11:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe that's the front they put up, but I think you'd be hard pressed to prove this...



I'm aware of the old stereotypical catholic schoolgirl who lost her virginity at 14 etc etc..  It's hard to believe until you've seen how these people are raised.  Have you seen that show on MTV where they send the fucked up kids to live with the strict, almost always religious families?  Do you see how their kids behave compared to the kids who are being rehabbed there?  I know I'm talking about TV here but I can tell you I've known families like that, and it's some real shit.  The kids work hard, go to college, get married and have real families because their parents are that involved in their lives and they were told from birth that's just how life is supposed to be lived.

The kids can still fail in that respect, and get into all types of bullshit.  In most of those cases the parents remain so involved in the kids life that they make it to adulthood without falling into any of it.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Tesla]
    #13089767 - 08/23/10 12:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm  not mumbling about anything he obviously reverse cherry picked the OPs post to project his bitterness towards monogamy and implied that it's disrespectful to expect it from the other partner.





He who, what are you talking about?

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Just trying to illustrate how if his obviously paper thin view on the subject was applied to a much larger scale how it would negatively affect people and relationships.




Good for you but don't drag me into this. :lol:

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Monogamy is a choice and a beautiful sacred one for certain people.




Very true, it is something beautiful, very much like any other conscious, mutual choice.

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And frankly if someone is SO against it maybe they should investigate why their projecting their jaded view on the concept of it on others in the first place before dolling out relationship advice.




That somebody probably could use a better insight into their own feelings against monogamy. I hardly see what this has to do with me.

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Did I clear that up for you?...




Not really. :sorry:


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13089796 - 08/23/10 12:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm faded and thought you were someone completely removed from the comment you originally made. With that said you obviously aren't completely against the concept of monogamy and I read to much into the quick and jaded manner you addressed the OP in your first post.

With that said we can agree that they should most likely further investigate their own motives and intentions regarding the subject matter itself. It seems their grasping at theological straws to justify their bad relationship encounters.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Tesla]
    #13089825 - 08/23/10 12:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with all that, and I am not against monogamy in any way, nor did I mean to seem so.
Religion just seemed like a poor choice to me, because I personally prefer to make conscious and rational choices based on my own empathy rather than following something dictated by an imaginary being. I also prefer to know that my partner is being honest with me because of the way he sees and feel about our relationship, and not because of religion.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: AnimaSoulBlue]
    #13091577 - 08/23/10 07:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Me an my girl have been "together" now for 3 years (yesterday) though i have known her most of my life.  To me the way my life has gone has afforded me a special chance for a unique relationship that doesn't come along often - maybe never for some people.  What it comes down to is that i can trust her and that we have a long history filled with love, good times and all sorts of good and bad experiences, but at the end of the day through all of it when i sit down and look at her face and in her eyes and she still loves me - i get kicks more than any one night stand.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: AnimaSoulBlue]
    #13091588 - 08/23/10 07:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Im about to have my first 3some w/ my wife and her brothers wife. wish me luck :cool:





uuuuh, inquiring minds wouldl ike to know how this worked out....


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13091839 - 08/23/10 07:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

True! :naughty:


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13092035 - 08/23/10 08:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Sure thing.. it will happen within a week or so. ill go into detail :borat:


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: AnimaSoulBlue]
    #13092408 - 08/23/10 09:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i thought you meant "about" as in you were about to do it right after you clicked "ok, submit"

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13092475 - 08/23/10 09:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

haha


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: AnimaSoulBlue]
    #13092734 - 08/23/10 10:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm confused.

You + Your wife + Your wife's [Brothers] Wife?

That would make your sister in law? What about her brother in all of this?  :juggle:


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    #13093848 - 08/24/10 03:34 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: oxalic32]
    #13094745 - 08/24/10 12:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are taking the religious shit way out of context.  I'm not religious and I don't believe in living your life based on arbitrary shit written in an old book.  I was merely using the religious people I know as an example of the contrast between how people approach relationships when they abstain from serial dating versus compulsively fucking every chance they get.  I had to use the religious people because they happen to be the only ones I personally know who as a whole tend to abstain from random hookups.

Don't degrade this thread into a debate on religion for the sake of arguing.  It has nothing to do with religion.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13095223 - 08/24/10 02:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It does have to do with random hookups, and you haven't been able to explain what's wrong with this.
According to which criteria and laws are humans better in meaningful and complex relationships?


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13096056 - 08/24/10 04:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

More partners and lots of random sex may have been beneficial in the days of tribes, no mads, and villages, but we live in a different world today. A bad relationship, especially if it is the first one, does some serious negative imprinting and can really screw someone up for all future relationships.

There isn't nothing right or wrong morally from one night stands, even paying for such things, but it isn't the best path for happiness. Sex just becomes another drug, and both people just use each other to get off and want nothing more of it. Sex is much more marketable and a highly sexed society is more apt to do risky behaviors or be compulsive. This is all from constant elevated dopamine levels. People are more apt to think less in they way they spend money.

Searching for sex preoccupies the mind, and chances for something more can get missed. The push to spread our genes is obsolete and we need a better plan for stability in today's world. To lump it as a need as eating is foolish, as without food or water you die, without sex, eventually your seemingly unstoppable craving becomes more manageable and you slowly forget it unless you fall victim to marketing and porn and perhaps too much masturbation (generally as a result of the two before).

Just as another thread shows, sex with a hooker is depressing at best. It is not sex we want, but the closeness. To obtain a closeness that just becomes closer until you literally become one is perhaps one of the few things in this world to get us off our typical hamster wheel and see for ourselves why people can find happiness until death with just one person.

I subscribe to the theory that following our typical imprinting is not the best for most people. Ancient methods of making love allow for much more of what we as humans need, instead of what we may think we want. Any drug we want to experience, the body will build a tolerance for, and using sex as a drug is chasing a dragon just the same.

To experience a freedom from nagging desire is brilliant, and you only feel on cloud 9 without let down.

The previous generation with the sexual liberation movement got it wrong as did the general before them being so closed minded. We need not turn into the Romans with obnoxious amounts of orgies, and we don't need to become monks and nuns.

I have posted in the anon forum before, and probably in here too, and always get a lot of king crankeys as no one wants to try a different path. This path is relaxed sex, connection, but only enough movement to avoid soreness from the position. Orgasm is not sought, and eventually not desired as one achieves something better.

People fall in and out of love without either changing, as their perception becomes different as the push to move on is hard wired. If you truly value the one you find, look into it more and you will be truly pleased by the results. This will help override the instinct, and you will live many long years of happiness together. Unlike couples who stay together out of fear of separation and what not, you will be together due to love.

It is worth the try. Why chase when you can already have won the race? Why have nights longing for the bed to be full again, when you can had all you needed before?

Good luck trying to get people on board with this though. Too many people with their heads cut off romping popping birth control and getting STDs, because they raised themselves on the internet. With their pattern, they to will have children that will raise themselves.

The best reason I know such powerful things work is this. I hated a girl that liked me, but went out to help fix her problems and make sure she didn't off herself. It changed her for the better, and I went from hating her, to actually being quite pulled to her. Just imagine what you can do with two that love each other already?


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Lennyk]
    #13096241 - 08/24/10 05:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I have posted in the anon forum before, and probably in here too, and always get a lot of king crankeys as no one wants to try a different path. This path is relaxed sex, connection, but only enough movement to avoid soreness from the position. Orgasm is not sought, and eventually not desired as one achieves something better.







middle way FTW.

can you elaborate on the part i bolded?

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Lennyk]
    #13096399 - 08/24/10 06:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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More partners and lots of random sex may have been beneficial in the days of tribes, no mads, and villages, but we live in a different world today. A bad relationship, especially if it is the first one, does some serious negative imprinting and can really screw someone up for all future relationships.




I don't see what a bad relationship directly has to do with lots of random sex or multiple partners.

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There isn't nothing right or wrong morally from one night stands, even paying for such things, but it isn't the best path for happiness.




I see no value in presuming to know the best path of happiness for other people.

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Sex just becomes another drug, and both people just use each other to get off and want nothing more of it.




It "just becomes"? How does that happen?

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a highly sexed society is more apt to do risky behaviors or be compulsive. This is all from constant elevated dopamine levels.




How much sex a week should everyone have so that society will not be highly-sexed, do you think?
How much sex does one have to have a week in order to have constantly elevated dopamine levels, thereby producing risky behavior or compulsiveness?

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Searching for sex preoccupies the mind, and chances for something more can get missed.




Any activity preoccupies the mind and chances for something "more" can possibly be missed. :shrug2:

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The push to spread our genes is obsolete and we need a better plan for stability in today's world.




Propagation of genetic information is obsolete? Did the natural world indicate this to you? :confused:

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...unless you fall victim to marketing and porn and perhaps too much masturbation (generally as a result of the two before).




Correlation, not causation. You cannot demonstrate that "too much" masturbation generally results from being a victim of marketing and porn. It's a correlation, and of course it would never make sense that a biological, sexual impulse could possibly make sexual-based marketing and porn relevant to someone... 

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Just as another thread shows, sex with a hooker is depressing at best.




A conclusion that sex with a hooker can only be depressing, at best, for everyone in general. I wonder what kind of foundation in reality this could have...

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It is not sex we want, but the closeness.




Which is why everyone is so preoccupied with cuddling and gentle conversation as opposed to sex. :rofl2:

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We need not turn into the Romans with obnoxious amounts of orgies, and we don't need to become monks and nuns.




How many Romans? Do you have a figure?


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13096601 - 08/24/10 07:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I have posted in the anon forum before, and probably in here too, and always get a lot of king crankeys as no one wants to try a different path. This path is relaxed sex, connection, but only enough movement to avoid soreness from the position. Orgasm is not sought, and eventually not desired as one achieves something better.







middle way FTW.

can you elaborate on the part i bolded?

thx





Certainly, this is grabbed from an anon post I made.    some things obviously need adjusted at it was a reply to a dude.

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Gentle intercourse is one of little or no movement, partners are connected, but the man doesn't usually have an erection the entire time since once you get comfortable with the fact you are not trying to overstimulate and have an orgasm. The two most common positions yab-yum (name from tantra)

and scissors

Frankly I find yab-yum more comfortable or at least it depends on the size of the people, some prefer scissors.

The point is connecting and feeling the energy of your partner without overstimulating yourself or your partner into frustration or blue balls.

What you and your partner have been doing is foreplay, and you get hot and bothered because you have been conditioned to go for orgasm. Not your fault, but you need to really think about what is happening. For this to work the best, both partners should be doing it. If she isn't willing to do without for a couple of weeks, she might catch on after you give enough good vibes out.

Depending on your situation, you may want to try yab-yum position with no movement even in underwear or gym shorts if you are getting way to easily overheated. Genitals should be pressed together, but don't hump each other. As much skin contact as possible though is quite helpful, and even if you are both in gym shorts, don't wear anything else. Give each other rubs in nonsexual places that soothes instead of excites.

If you follow normal foreplay, you are going to get frustrated and probably discontinue trying or simply be crippled in pain from blue balls. Just as the sex itself is calming the fire in a connecting way, should be the events leading up to it. Hugging and kissing are both great when done out of love instead of the hunger to devour her sexually (not saying you are, just pointing it out), but just be careful on the rubbing.

The key errors people make in this are:
conventional foreplay
going close to the edge of orgasm and stopping leading to frustration and sometimes pain
not changing their attitude to fit the approach



Trust me, when I first read this, I was thinking there was no way any of this could be good, or even better than normal sex. When you get the hang of it though, it is o so blissful. The same light you see a gal before sex you see after with even a little more glow. Love is all chemicals anyway, rather have them see someone is joyous glow that fills my heart with content, then see a lead anchor in front of me with rope tied around my neck.




It almost an amazing blend of meditation and sex that unites you and your love to the core and beyond. Sure it doesn't have the side of sex that most see, but without a doubt there is something stronger in this. I don't have kids, but I certainly hope they would someday find an approach to sex similar to this, rather than try to live a porno.

It just flows so well, and is worth while to experience. I know as a guy at least, a certain something is lost with orgasms (from a drop in dopamine and rise in prolactin), and this just feels perfect.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Lennyk]
    #13096659 - 08/24/10 07:20 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

is this the only style of sex that you practice???


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13097240 - 08/24/10 09:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

My wife's brother is cool w/ it.. hes gonna be in the livin room or something. we are gonna drink that night and whatever happens happens lol
I cant wait to see them go down on each other. my wife is hot and the girl is pretty but a little overweight. she has huuuuge tits though.

should be fun hehe and ill try to write about it for Yogabunny :cool:


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    #13097327 - 08/24/10 10:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

hmmmm....i kinda feel bad for the guy because he's getting left out, but also because he probably can't help but think naughty thoughts about his wife being with a girl and then the next thought has gotta be, "uhhh that's my sister".

weird, but hey, whatever floats your boat!

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13097627 - 08/24/10 11:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

ya it is lol but gotta work w/ what ya got :smile:

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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13099430 - 08/25/10 12:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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is this the only style of sex that you practice???




yes. It doesn't sound thrilling or what not, but it truly is ecstasy once adjusted to the new state of mind. I just found eventually there is a point of conflicting thought after orgasm that makes one stray mentally from their partner. You can see it in many guys, that there is a complete change right before, and right after.

Maybe I like living in the fairy tail that the moment only has to end when we both want it to, because well, one can only traditional fuck for so long before they pass out from exhaustion. I look at it not as giving up on orgasmic sex, but gaining a connection many will never see.


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Lennyk]
    #13099460 - 08/25/10 12:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe I like living in the fairy tail




I'd like to live in a fairy's tail too. :yesnod:


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    #13099467 - 08/25/10 12:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

lol :laugh2:


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Lennyk]
    #13099536 - 08/25/10 12:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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ya it is lol but gotta work w/ what ya got :smile:

btw your very pretty yoga.. pretty eyes




thank you :blush:



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is this the only style of sex that you practice???




yes. It doesn't sound thrilling or what not, but it truly is ecstasy once adjusted to the new state of mind. I just found eventually there is a point of conflicting thought after orgasm that makes one stray mentally from their partner. You can see it in many guys, that there is a complete change right before, and right after.

Maybe I like living in the fairy tail that the moment only has to end when we both want it to, because well, one can only traditional fuck for so long before they pass out from exhaustion. I look at it not as giving up on orgasmic sex, but gaining a connection many will never see.





iiinteresting.  i'd definitely be interested to try it out with the right person!

i don't think i can totally give up orgasms and foreplay though....

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    #13099555 - 08/25/10 01:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Your welcum :grin:


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    #13099589 - 08/25/10 01:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:shocked:


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    #13099599 - 08/25/10 01:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:borat: Verrry niiice!


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    #13099657 - 08/25/10 01:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yogabunny, Is that a tattoo of a Djore on your arm?


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    #13099687 - 08/25/10 01:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

a dorge, yes!  it is.


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    #13099704 - 08/25/10 01:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I thought i seen one spelled Djore already.. it looks like two of the one you have in the form of a cross..

In the tree of life it represents the thunderbolt of enlightenment.
I have the tree of life on my forarm :grin:

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    #13099792 - 08/25/10 01:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

it's known as dorge in tibetan, and vajra in sanskrit, which both roughly translate to thunderbolt.

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    #13101071 - 08/25/10 05:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

cool :cool:


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    #13107375 - 08/26/10 11:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well yogabunny i told you i would tell you about my 3 some.

First, they took a shower together, my wife and the other girl. Next we got undressed, went in our kingsize bed and the girl ate my wifes pussy. i got behind the other girl and fucked her. then the girl laid on the bed on her back, and sucked my dick while my wife ate her out. Then, i ate the other girl out. after that i put it in my wife while she was on her back and the girl got on her face and my wife licked her pussy. i then put it in the other girl and at the end i put it up my wifes butt and i finished. my wife finished w/ the other girl eating her out. the other girl didnt cum though..:rockon:

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    #13108148 - 08/27/10 02:59 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

and this took how long to figure out?


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    #13109605 - 08/27/10 01:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

My Theory:
Every person we date, hookup with, etc etc etc we learn something we like about them. The more people we have "experienced" the less appreciation we will be able to have for our current partner. think about it. makes sense.

If you look around most of the marriages that TRUELY last (30+ yr) involve people with less sexual partners.

Sex is a drug. The more you abuse it like a drug the faster you get an addiction. The more you feed this addiction the harder it is to break it. Once you cross that line you might as well embrace it

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    #13110878 - 08/27/10 06:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

my theory

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I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




WTF is wrong with having sex with multiple partners?
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    #13110902 - 08/27/10 06:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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my theory

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I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




WTF is wrong with having sex with multiple partners?
It boggles the mind. :nut:









After the first sex ed course in health class, a lot of kids started taking drugs and took a vow of abstinence lol...


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Re: I'm really convinced that a monogamous relationship is nearly impossible to come by these days.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13110944 - 08/27/10 06:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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my theory

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PowerTrip said:
I'm not going to make a long-winded post about this, I'm more looking for other people's experience with dating these days..  Personally it seems like a monogamous relationship is not what anyone seeks anymore.  From what I've experienced the only people who tend to enjoy monogamous relationships are those who have had very few partners in their lives.  Cheating and having countless partners seems glorified and almost expected these days.  It's not like this in non-westernized countries so I can only assume it is our morally bankrupt society driving this.

Further, the only exception I've seen to this is in people who were raised in very religious environments 24/7 from the time they were a youth.  As much as I'm against forcing religion on kids, they do seem to be the few who tend not to buy into the current cultural trend.




WTF is wrong with having sex with multiple partners?
It boggles the mind. :nut:








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Finding "that special someone" [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13111210 - 08/27/10 08:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So there are six billion+ people in this world. I find the idea of a soulmate to be plausable, but unrealistic. Lots of people claim that they are with the perfect person for them, but, with so many people in the world chances are there is always going to be someone better. For me, it's just a question of settling for someone that's a really good partner...later comes the bias and thus the claims of being with one's "soulmate."


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Re: Finding "that special someone" [Re: insipidtoast]
    #13111314 - 08/27/10 09:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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So there are six billion+ people in this world. I find the idea of a soulmate to be plausable, but unrealistic. Lots of people claim that they are with the perfect person for them, but, with so many people in the world chances are there is always going to be someone better. For me, it's just a question of settling for someone that's a really good partner...later comes the bias and thus the claims of being with one's "soulmate."






There could always be someone better, and one may especially think that. Frankly though, sometimes good enough is all one needs. Besides, enough time will either tie you or rip ya apart.


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Re: Finding "that special someone" [Re: Lennyk]
    #13111952 - 08/28/10 12:01 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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There could always be someone better, and one may especially think that. Frankly though, sometimes good enough is all one needs. Besides, enough time will either tie you or rip ya apart.



I agree with this.  I don't think there are soul mates so much as chance couplings where both partners have the mindset that nobody is perfect and they simply accept each others flaws.  In addition they realize discontent is a natural state of the human mind, and don't fall into that trap of always looking for the new potential thrill or better deal.


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Re: Finding "that special someone" [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13113271 - 08/28/10 10:23 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't think there are soul mates so much as chance couplings where both partners have the mindset that nobody is perfect and they simply accept each others flaws.  In addition they realize discontent is a natural state of the human mind, and don't fall into that trap of always looking for the new potential thrill or better deal.




Very well put! This offers me a new perspective on things.:thumbup:


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Re: Finding "that special someone" [Re: PowerTrip]
    #13113621 - 08/28/10 12:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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There could always be someone better, and one may especially think that. Frankly though, sometimes good enough is all one needs. Besides, enough time will either tie you or rip ya apart.



I agree with this.  I don't think there are soul mates so much as chance couplings where both partners have the mindset that nobody is perfect and they simply accept each others flaws.  In addition they realize discontent is a natural state of the human mind, and don't fall into that trap of always looking for the new potential thrill or better deal.





YES!


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Re: Finding "that special someone" [Re: yogabunny]
    #13113633 - 08/28/10 12:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey yoga, u read about my threesome? :grin:


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