Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!
|
 Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 1,867
Last seen: 1 day, 14 hours
|
 Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization?  [Re: nanomagnetic]
#12978661 - 07/30/10 10:36 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
I love how the right makes shit up about what Obama is going to do, and then scare themselves with it. - Falcon91Wolvrn03
 
|
Remix
grammer natze
Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 4,077
Last seen: 1 day, 18 hours
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#13061960 - 08/17/10 12:58 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_a_Drug-Free_America
From the Criticism section:
PDFA was the subject of criticism when it was revealed by Cynthia Cotts of the Village Voice that their federal tax returns showed that they had received several million dollars worth of funding from major pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol corporations including American Brands (Jim Beam whiskey), Philip Morris (Marlboro and Virginia Slims cigarettes, Miller beer), Anheuser Busch (Budweiser, Michelob, Busch beer), R.J. Reynolds (Camel, Salem, Winston cigarettes), as well as pharmaceutical firms Bristol Meyers-Squibb, Merck & Company and Procter & Gamble. From 1997 it has discontinued any direct fiscal association with tobacco and alcohol suppliers, although it still receives donations from pharmaceutical companies
Source: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1390
Considering the overabundance of misinformation spread by "The Partnership for a Drug Free America", they would have to be, at this point, total sadomasochists not to be getting some amount of kickback from lobbyists.
--------------------
|
ScavengerType
Registered: 01/25/08
Posts: 5,755
Loc: The North
Last seen: 7 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? [Re: Remix]
#13062013 - 08/17/10 01:06 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
well it does confirm what we all knew anyway. I think the OP was wondering about more direct campaigns, but obviously these would be harder to hear about and are often done through umbrella organizations like PDFA.
--------------------
"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club
|
 johnm214
Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 16,574
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? [Re: AlexD]
#13062974 - 08/17/10 09:17 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Freedom said:
I always here people say the reason pot is illegal is because some companies (pharmaceutical or tobacco or textile or whatever) stand to lose money.
Well if that is true, the way they would use pressure to keep it illegal is through lobbying. Is there evidence that any companies are lobbying against marijuana.
Excellent question!
I can't answer it because I question this idea as much as you seem to. I hear constantly of the corporate conspiracy to enforce drug prohibtiion and yada yada, but I think its pretty much bullshit myself.
'Drugs' remain illegal because people want them that way. I think people alleging these grand conspiracies are just experiencing some dissonance between their belief in democracy or populism and the public support for prosecuting drug crimes. (They're usually not a big fan of buisness anyays)
I've seen some evidence of concerted efforts to persecute drug users/buisnesses in the past around the earlier twentieth century, but I don't know how significant an effect these efforts had, and it really doesn't matter in the present in my opinion.
Quote:
AlexD said:
Quote:
I always here people say the reason pot is illegal is because some companies (pharmaceutical or tobacco or textile or whatever) stand to lose money
You always hear it because you hang out with lefties: there's nothing they wouldn't blame business for. Doesn't beg the question but still. Tobaco/pharmaceutical/textile would probably benefit from legalization. Alcoholic beverage manufacturers would probably suffer so I guess they may be lobbying. Some real evidence would be nice though.
I pretty much agree with you, though not necessarily regarding the buisness benefits (don't know enough to speculate though there are obviously many advantages in permissable research and development of new products).
|
GI_Luvmoney
Vote Republican!
Registered: 05/10/09
Posts: 939
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? [Re: Freedom]
#13064740 - 08/17/10 05:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Snack food companies would definitely be interested in having it legalized.
Also, if a bear poops in the woods and there's no one there to smell it, does it stink?
|
ScavengerType
Registered: 01/25/08
Posts: 5,755
Loc: The North
Last seen: 7 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? [Re: johnm214]
#13065193 - 08/17/10 06:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I know in canada legalization is the most popular policy for marijuana but the government refuses to listen. Often the most vocal lobbying comes from conservative religious organizations and a lot of pressure also comes from the US. Don't pretend it's the will of the people. In the states legalization of marijuana is also quite popular, I am unsure if it is majority yet or not in polls.
Still I bet police unions and the prison industry have much more at stake here than these industries.
--------------------
"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club
|
Phred
Fred's son
Registered: 10/19/00
Posts: 12,646
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 2 days, 18 hours
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? (moved) [Re: Freedom]
#13066132 - 08/17/10 09:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
 This thread was moved from Political Discussion.
Reason:
This is classic Drug Policy Reform material.
|
Green_T
Getting to the chopper
Registered: 10/02/08
Posts: 4,024
|
Re: Is there any evidence that companies are lobbying against marijuana legalization? [Re: Freedom]
#13183849 - 09/12/10 12:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Freedom said:
I always here people say the reason pot is illegal is because some companies (pharmaceutical or tobacco or textile or whatever) stand to lose money.
Well if that is true, the way they would use pressure to keep it illegal is through lobbying. Is there evidence that any companies are lobbying against marijuana.
They have supported the partnership for a drug free America (i'm sure you've seen their ads/propaganda - youtube if necessary!)
SOURCE: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1390
Quote:
For a group fighting drug abuse, the Partnership has taken cash from some odd parties—including American Brands (Jim Beam whiskey), Philip Morris (Marlboro and Virginia Slims cigarettes, Miller beer), Anheuser Busch (Budweiser, Michelob, Busch beer), R.J. Reynolds (Camel, Salem, Winston cigarettes), as well as pharmaceutical firms Bristol Meyers-Squibb, Merck & Company and Proctor & Gamble (Marin Institute Backgrounder, 2/97).
The Partnership recently announced it will quit its alcohol and tobacco habit but will continue to mainline pharmaceutical checks (Village Voice, 3/12/97). And its silence continues on America’s deadliest drug problems: tobacco (400,000 annual deaths), alcohol (100,000, including 20,000 from drunken driving), and pharmaceuticals (6,000 to 9,000).
I think if they support this organization, they probably would have lobbyists too
--------------------
"I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" - Thomas Jefferson
Legalize Meth | Drug War Victims
Their vial of acid, which is on the table over there, tastes vile because they're incompetent chemists.
| |
|
|
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Rono
3,925 topic views. 1 members, 2 guests and 0 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic ]
| | |
|
|
|
Images only 
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Edit 
Reply 
