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The Future of "Research Chemicals" * 2
    #12913233 - 07/17/10 10:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

What say ye? The development of new designer drugs, propelled by the incentive to squeak out a dollar and consumed by those looking for novel states of consciousness, is rapidly escalating to a degree of hype and excitement I've never seen before. Previously the DEA's Operation Webtryp and all of the ensuing shenanigans once Pondman, OmegaFine, and RacResearch shut down seemed to be the last showdown -- but there has been a renaissance in random shit we can coax out of Ho Chi Min and Fat Ming Su for a good price and the right synthesis tek.

So, what is to become of the research chemical (designer drug) market? Be creative; will it escalate into a brave new world of synthetically engineered consciousness and the removal of that God-forsaken homeostatic mechanism that causes come-downs? Will we discover in a few months that Naphyrone and the sequential replacements induce irreversible testicular cancer? Will it resort in an all out war between Eurotrash internet junkies from Bluelight hurling sharpened glowsticks at their tyrannical parliament?

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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12913243 - 07/17/10 10:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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So, what is to become of the research chemical (designer drug) market?




More of them.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12913248 - 07/17/10 10:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Actually I could care less.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12913250 - 07/17/10 10:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The RC market is here to stay. They sell only a small fraction of the known psychedelics/cannabinoids/stimulants. If you shut them down, new ones will open. If you outlaw the chemicals, new ones will be made.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12913257 - 07/17/10 10:44 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I really don't have much to add..

But supposedly these are some of the people making it. Check out those lab conditions. :dudewtf:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1267582/The-Chinese-laboratories-scientists-work-new-meow-meow.html#ixzz0m7OKHsUV


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Everlong]
    #12913264 - 07/17/10 10:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah I really don't have much to add..

But supposedly these are some of the people making it. Check out those lab conditions. :dudewtf:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1267582/The-Chinese-laboratories-scientists-work-new-meow-meow.html#ixzz0m7OKHsUV




That's why you use US or Canadian sources.  :shrug:


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12913272 - 07/17/10 10:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Lets not all jump to claim fame here and let sleeping dogs lie we have plenty


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: nooneman]
    #12913293 - 07/17/10 10:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

News of research chemical releases are now being advertised more loosely (in addition to their effects) on mainstream news outlets, message boards, and websites. Yet they are being targeted and shut down more quickly and efficiently, as with the cases of mephedrone and K2 (following the similar path of GBL, 1,4-butanediol, the 2Cs and others). I agree with the general mission statement of Hedweb and feel that the time has come where we are gradually waking up to the reality that we can actively control and mediate consciousness (other technologies and media creations reflect a similar trend). Thus, the real conflict is between those who are moving the innovation further and those who are opposed to cognitive liberty (and seemingly brain sciences in general).


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12913604 - 07/18/10 12:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I really wish it could last, but I suspect someday soon I'm going to find all my sources have been shut down.. or the DEA will start mass-scheduling all of the RC's specifically.

All it will take is a few deaths and media attention, which is what instigated WebTryp.

New chemicals will inevitably emerge, with new vendors willing to sell them...

Of course, you'll always have people willing to sell things regardless of legality.. but it would get much more underground and shady than it already is.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Everlong]
    #12913611 - 07/18/10 12:38 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

That link sounds like something out of a William Gibson novel. Amphetamine analogs and everything.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1267582/The-Chinese-laboratories-scientists-work-new-meow-meow.html#ixzz0m7OKHsUV


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: nanomagnetic]
    #12913780 - 07/18/10 01:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

the mail system may be more controlled in the future  :shrug:


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: nanomagnetic]
    #12913934 - 07/18/10 02:39 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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nanomagnetic said:
That link sounds like something out of a William Gibson novel. Amphetamine analogs and everything.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1267582/The-Chinese-laboratories-scientists-work-new-meow-meow.html#ixzz0m7OKHsUV




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In a filthy Shanghai laboratory, chemists make batches of mephedrone - and a new incarnation of the 'plant food' linked to the deaths of British teenagers. Never heard of the drugs Eric-1 and Eric-2? That's the point. By Mike Power in London and Simon Parry in China






alcohol and tobacco are linked to more deaths each year anywhere, and yet i never see the word "death" in virtually any headline pertaining to them.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: millzy]
    #12913989 - 07/18/10 02:56 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Who knows where the RC path is going to lead. Sure, more people will probably die from new -FLY compounds with ridiculously low dosages and ultra-steep response curves. There will most likely be alot of dead ends. But maybe, just maybe, we'll find the "Huxley Molecule" and make earth into a utopia.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: millzy]
    #12914071 - 07/18/10 03:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)






alcohol and tobacco are linked to more deaths each year anywhere, and yet i never see the word "death" in virtually any headline pertaining to them.





How many people use those substances compared to relatively unknown research chemicals.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12914177 - 07/18/10 04:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The future is Operation WebTryp II. People on the internet don't half like to brag.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Cepheus]
    #12914455 - 07/18/10 08:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Their are too much ways of bypassing the laws against drugs now. You only change a fraction of the molecular formula and it's a new drug. Their are simply too much RCs...the law will never be able to ban them all. I think that with the internet, popularity of these chemicals is rising, although it's not REALLY popular, even for those who consume a lot of psychedelics. In fact, most people don't register on these kinds of forums, or they simply don't push their researches about drugs. Those won't necessarily discover these...

The future of RCs? Prosperity!


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12914460 - 07/18/10 08:45 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The future is catch all laws that prevent RC's being sold legally.  Then its back to good old underground chemists making the stuff that is always going to be popular like MDMA.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: nice1]
    #12914477 - 07/18/10 08:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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The future is catch all laws that prevent RC's being sold legally.  Then its back to good old underground chemists making the stuff that is always going to be popular like MDMA.




But the popularity is the leak in all this...it is not!

But talking about this, what are the most popular RCs?

I guess 2c-b, but it's illegal anyways. 2c-e seems quite known. The DOx, for the fuckers who put that on blotters, pretending it's LSD...


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: gab1159]
    #12914496 - 07/18/10 09:17 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

2c's,dob/doc, synthetic cannibonoids(sp), mephedrone, methylone, mdpv, among others(and in no particular order).


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: LbDub]
    #12914626 - 07/18/10 10:33 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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2c's,dob/doc, synthetic cannibonoids(sp), mephedrone, methylone, mdpv, among others(and in no particular order).




Didn't know MDPV was  popular. I guess it's use as a legal stimulant...


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12914902 - 07/18/10 12:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The rc market and scene will be here for long to come.
Even if the DEA decides to start scheduling specific rc's replacements will pop up, as seen in the UK.
The beauty of rc's are their seemingly limitlessness. 
As long as chemists are willing to tweak chemical structures of psychoactive molecules (and money will ensure they will be willing), there will be new drugs for people to try.
The government is reactive in the respect that they schedule drugs as they arrive are already being used and are perceived to cause harm.  That being said wonderful chemists are free to play around with chemical structures without a DEA license or fear of arrest (as long as they aren't stupid about it).
So as I see it the rc market is here to stay, as long as people aren't stupid and it stays relatively underground it can exist for a long time, and it will become more diverse with an ever expanding menu of drugs.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #12914936 - 07/18/10 12:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i think they need to stop being greedy (mostly found in the UK) and stop selling to youths and stop marketing it so greatly.  That's what is going to kill/greatly injure the RC market


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: bbl337]
    #12915095 - 07/18/10 01:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not even bothered about trying all these ethylone, naphyrone, flephedrone drugs. Why don't those chemists just put all their efforts into making good drugs like mescaline? I'll just stick to the drugs I know.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden] * 1
    #12915123 - 07/18/10 01:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

All I can contribute to the discussion is this: until I attended the Psychedelic Science in the 21st Century conference back in April, I was incredibly wary of so-called research chemicals and had little to no interest in trying any.  Since then, I've tried two and have sessions scheduled with many more.  I was on a "purer drug" trip when it came to psychedelics/entheogens. 2c-b is excellent and my experience last night on 4-HO-MiPT has me more curious than ever to delve into various aspects of tryptamine consciousness. All I can really say is, bring it on. I'm ready to try them.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: nanomagnetic]
    #12915152 - 07/18/10 02:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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That link sounds like something out of a William Gibson novel. Amphetamine analogs and everything.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1267582/The-Chinese-laboratories-scientists-work-new-meow-meow.html#ixzz0m7OKHsUV




Damn that was one hell of a biased article. AN EMERGING THREAT, EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, DEAD TEENAGERS, HIGHLY ADDICTIVE... I'm always awed by the profound ignorance of the general public toward anything illegal, which is equated with evil. Good job drug czar.

Their motives may not be great, but at least they're keeping the chemistry moving.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #12915227 - 07/18/10 02:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The chemists should find a completely new drug instead of making slight alterations of already crappy drugs. That would be much better.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12915235 - 07/18/10 02:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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For more information, check back June 1 July 1 August 1.







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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: druqs]
    #12915242 - 07/18/10 02:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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For more information, check back June 1 July 1 August 1.







benzo-fury joke?



Indeed.

But I believe that there will always be people who are willing to sell it, legal or not.


Why can't somebody just tweak some LSD make it an "RC"


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: suburbanned]
    #12915251 - 07/18/10 02:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

A chemist I met at the conference was working on 5-MeO-LSD. :eek:


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    #12915396 - 07/18/10 03:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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That link sounds like something out of a William Gibson novel. Amphetamine analogs and everything.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1267582/The-Chinese-laboratories-scientists-work-new-meow-meow.html#ixzz0m7OKHsUV




Damn that was one hell of a biased article. AN EMERGING THREAT, EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, DEAD TEENAGERS, HIGHLY ADDICTIVE... I'm always awed by the profound ignorance of the general public toward anything illegal, which is equated with evil. Good job drug czar.

Their motives may not be great, but at least they're keeping the chemistry moving.




the biggest threat to public safety is the war on drugs itself imo. prohibition removes governments' ability to control the quality of substances and keep them out of the hands of minors. the only people who profit from any drug being illegal are the ones who control the black market for it and those employed by law enforcement.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #12915610 - 07/18/10 04:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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All I can contribute to the discussion is this: until I attended the Psychedelic Science in the 21st Century conference back in April, I was incredibly wary of so-called research chemicals and had little to no interest in trying any.  Since then, I've tried two and have sessions scheduled with many more.  I was on a "purer drug" trip when it came to psychedelics/entheogens. 2c-b is excellent and my experience last night on 4-HO-MiPT has me more curious than ever to delve into various aspects of tryptamine consciousness. All I can really say is, bring it on. I'm ready to try them.



Have you tried 2c-e? I was really impressed with it's potential. :thumbup:


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Adamist]
    #12915626 - 07/18/10 04:11 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

No, I want to try all the 2c's really. Especially 2c-t-21.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #12915631 - 07/18/10 04:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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All I can contribute to the discussion is this: until I attended the Psychedelic Science in the 21st Century conference back in April, I was incredibly wary of so-called research chemicals and had little to no interest in trying any.  Since then, I've tried two and have sessions scheduled with many more.  I was on a "purer drug" trip when it came to psychedelics/entheogens.





when you felt this way, what was your opinion MDMA?


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: druqs]
    #12915634 - 07/18/10 04:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, I was a total hypocrite - I loved MDMA and MDA.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #12915646 - 07/18/10 04:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

lol, nice :thumbup:


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: druqs]
    #12915664 - 07/18/10 04:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

2cb rules.
2ci is meh
2-c-t-7 is pretteh kewl
You can't stop the chemists! CHEMISTS TAKIN OVAH SHIT

Although I will always :heart: LSD
Yay for LSD
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    #12915725 - 07/18/10 04:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i love 2ci personally. i'd like to try 2ce, 4-ho-mipt and 4-aco-dmt. i love rc's.


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: millzy]
    #12915742 - 07/18/10 04:46 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I have to give 2ci another try sometime. I've only given it a few chances, and it was years ago, perhaps my tastes have changed.
Don't get me wrong I loved it, but I could do without it too, it gave me weird chest tinglies.


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    #12915768 - 07/18/10 04:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i did 2ci a few times in a row, spaced weeks apart, and it was awesome. the last time i did it i had a great time but didn't quite get to the same spot i had been with it previously. i think sometimes stuff just doesn't get you high like it does other times. maybe you just had an experience like that. or maybe you just didn't take enough. i know for me i have to take a pretty large initial dose to get there.


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    #12915777 - 07/18/10 04:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

oh no I'm pretty sure my first time dosing it was a super large dose, I think I took too much heh.
Funny how a 'super large of dose' of something can be like, 50mg. heh.


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    #12915809 - 07/18/10 05:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

rc's i've noticed are especially weird like that. sometimes they just don't get you as high as they normally do.


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    #12915856 - 07/18/10 05:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

2C-E is good, 2C-P is almost the same except it isn't quite as trippy and has more euphoria and empathetic type stimulant stuff, and it lasts a lot longer.  4-ACO-DMT is :awesome:  and it really fits in well with 2C's.  I'd say there is a bright future for RC's....


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Re: The Future of "Research Chemicals" [Re: Arden]
    #12916129 - 07/18/10 06:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

the future is substance D.



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    #12916170 - 07/18/10 06:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Most of these chemicals that have been mentioned are 40+ years old (of which a good % are either in PiHKAL / TiHKAL). The cutting edge seems to all be stimulants, which is where the big buck is.

It is quite amusing though, you can see who is using what vendor based on what drugs become freshly available to them (everyone likes to brag ;D).


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    #12917108 - 07/18/10 10:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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the future is substance D.






i prefer nuke.



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