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 Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) 
#12855665 - 07/06/10 11:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yesterday I was at a gardening shop that had, among various tools, some succulents for sale. I picked up a few without really being sure what I was getting, so I thought I'd share hoping for some feedback.
A group shot.
Myrtillocactus?
 
Hard, longish spines. Is this a trichocereus? Peruvianus maybe?
   
Echinocactus?
I picked up these two small babies because they seem to be fruiting. Mammillaria or what? Are those really fruits? How do I go about harvesting seed? (I've got some lophos fruiting too, and I don't know what to do since I've never had a cactus fruit before).
 
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12855674 - 07/06/10 11:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good score,and you have some actives in there.Bottom right on first pic appears to be Trichocereus Terscheckii
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12855716 - 07/06/10 12:00 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You mean the middle one in the bottom row? The one at the bottom right in the group pic has very thin, unusually shaped ribs... I thought it was Myrtillocactus Geometrizans! I'm really hopeless at ID'ing! 
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12855724 - 07/06/10 12:01 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I meant bottom left
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12855827 - 07/06/10 12:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh! I see... a Cardon Grande. Well it might well be! I've got some seedlings and they do look similarly ball-shaped.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12855833 - 07/06/10 12:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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it is,and it looks exactly like mine,I'll go snap a pic
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12855852 - 07/06/10 12:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is mine,and it's darker green than yours,but I still believe you may have one
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12856491 - 07/06/10 03:10 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I disagree, but I'm no good at ID'ing anyways so don't listen to me:
Bottom row left to right:
1. Echinocactus (grusonii??)
2. I want to say Trichocereus peruvianus
3. Definitely Myrtillocactus geometrizans
Middle row:
1. Definitely a Mammillaria
Top row left to right:
1. Definitely Myrtillocactus geometrizans
2. Definitely a Mammillaria
3. Again, I want to say Trichocereus peruvianus
EDIT: Yes those are most certainly fruits. Just pick them when they are ripe and rip open to harvest the seed. I'd say pick just one at first just to be sure the seeds are fully mature inside before picking the rest.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: iFennario]
#12856817 - 07/06/10 04:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah,on further inspection,I see the differences,and he doesn't have a Terscheckii.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12856922 - 07/06/10 04:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a few Terscheckii seedlings and they do look similar. The spines are thinner and somewhat shorter, but it's hard to tell when they're so young.
I don't think it's a Grusonii - for all I remember, Grusonii has spines that are hooked and with a flat (not circular) section. I might be wrong, though. I usually am 
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12857103 - 07/06/10 05:30 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I definitely think it's T. terscheckii.
E. grusonii has more tubercle looking ribs
My assessment:
1-2. Myrtillocactus geometrizans
3-4. Definitely Trichocereus, but lack the central spine defined by the original documentation of T. peruvianus. Possibly a pach x peruvian hybrid.
5. T. terscheckii
6. Some stereotypical looking Mammillaria, possibly Mammillaria matudae
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: Cactusdan]
#12857111 - 07/06/10 05:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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So,I was right
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12857867 - 07/06/10 07:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cactusdan's assessment seems to be the final word around here. 
And KBG, you were right indeed!
Thanks guys - what would I do without these forums?
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12857965 - 07/06/10 07:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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you would die
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: KBG1977]
#12858031 - 07/06/10 08:08 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
KBG1977 said:
you would die
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: Cactusdan]
#12866538 - 07/08/10 11:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been there again since they're having a sale, and picked up a full tray of pots for a very reasonable price. The trays are so cramped that I got stung to the point of bleeding. Loving cactus caresses, they're called. Anyway, let's move on - here are my new acquisitions.
Two group shots.
 
1. Two tricho-looking babes. The shape is trichish, but such black spines I've never seen, so it might be another genus altogether.
 
2. I guess this is the same species as 1, but I'm not 100% sure.
  
3. I picked up quite a few Terscheckii. Maybe I'm going to grow them in the ground (moving them from the small pots they've already nearly grown past). Here's one of them.
4. An unidentified plant, looking much like a tricho. Bridgesii by any chance?
5. The same one along with a likely Peruvianus, side by side for comparison.
6. The would-be Peruvianus alone.
Many of these cacti - especially the myrtillos shown in the first post and some trichos - have roots sticking out from the bottom of the pot. Time to move them into larger living spaces, I suppose...?
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12867161 - 07/08/10 02:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. is Stetsonia coryne
Yes, they all need bigger pots 
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: iFennario]
#12877166 - 07/10/10 12:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does #2 look the same as #1 to you experts?
And how about #4? Is it really a trichocereus in your opinion?
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12877188 - 07/10/10 12:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think #1 and #2 are both S.coryne. I have no idea what #4 is, its certainly not Bridgesii I'd say.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12879203 - 07/10/10 08:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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1 and 2 are Stetsonia coryne and I think 4 could be a Pilocereus of sorts. They are all very young and you will have to wait a couple more growing seasons to see their true features which will help in id'ing them to species.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: karode13]
#12879212 - 07/10/10 08:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe it's a Neoraimondia herzogiana
I saw one at a big box store today, and I think that was the genus.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: Cactusdan]
#12879252 - 07/10/10 08:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe. I still think it's a little young to tell for sure.
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: karode13]
#12879350 - 07/10/10 09:20 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, they were young specimens like this labeled as such there 
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: Cactusdan]
#12883467 - 07/11/10 07:01 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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What a nice ID'ing job... I've looked up Neoraimondia herzogiana and the shape is spot on. Spine color is a bit different, but I guess it's not really a significant difference.
On the subject of big box shops, I've visited one recently to buy other stuff, I noticed a shelf of cacti on display and was HORRIFIED to see many specimens (trichocereus, myrtillocactus, matucana etc) with FAKE PAPER FLOWERS GLUED ON! I couldn't believe my eyes. Why, why?? 
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#12891627 - 07/13/10 10:17 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's a little update about these new friends.
I planted most of the columnars in open ground - freeing a few Cardon grande, Peru, Myrtillo, Stetsonia and Neoramondia specimens from "pot slavery". I chose several spots offering a varied range of expositions (SW, S, E and even N; full sun, half day sun, partial shade, etc.) so I can get a feel for what they like best.
I harvested more Mammillaria seed I'm ever likely to need, so I'll contribute some to the seed bank. Soon I'm going to sow some, hoping to get a few scions for my grafting experiments. I'm going to post questions about growing rootstock when I really start getting down to it.
When moving the cacti from their pots, I haven't removed the soil from the roots - I just buried the whole blob into a hole in the ground. Root damage is unlikely, so I guess there's no need to worry about keeping the babies dry until they heal. I'll be a bit careful, though - and of course I'll keep you posted!
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Re: Shopping at a gardening shop (ID, advice about seed harvesting) [Re: globos]
#13055777 - 08/15/10 05:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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They all seem to be thriving happily where I placed them. Here's a small Cardon Grande that's already changing shape, from globular to slightly columnar.
My only doubt is: will they survive the wet winter? 
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