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 Re: Do you want to be enlightened?  [Re: Icelander]
#12766596 - 06/19/10 12:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
The odds are 100%. Things happen because they can. None of this happens to be magic imo. It's all perfectly natural to the universe we inhabit.
Magic is natural. 
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: WScott]
#12766601 - 06/19/10 12:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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In one sense everything is magic; in another nothing is. This seems to rather dilute the word.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: deCypher] 1
#12766606 - 06/19/10 12:44 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cyph3r said:
In one sense everything is magic; in another nothing is. This seems to rather dilute the word.
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
—Albert Einstein
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: WScott]
#12766617 - 06/19/10 12:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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WScottsdale said:
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Icelander said:
The odds are 100%. Things happen because they can. None of this happens to be magic imo. It's all perfectly natural to the universe we inhabit.
Magic is natural.
War is peace.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: deCypher]
#12766643 - 06/19/10 12:51 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is going, "Oh I'm God, look at that. Is that all it is? Just this and Now? It's already over? Okay. I accept."
Life doesn't blow your mind. Life is a mind, that was always blown.
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"Your salvation may lie in a rational apprehension of the present moment."
-Terence McKenna
she said there's good men
that there's God in everyone
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
#12766666 - 06/19/10 12:55 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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WScottsdale said:
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Icelander said:
The odds are 100%. Things happen because they can. None of this happens to be magic imo. It's all perfectly natural to the universe we inhabit.
Magic is natural.
War is peace.
it just shows that thinking in labels is a shortcut to actual thought. when you use the term magical thinking you reduce it to small associations in your mind tied up to theories from shrinks who never experienced anything remotely far out from their constricted academic boxes and who wouldn't have recognized anything unusual if it hit them on the head because two days later they would have been reestablished in their patterned preconceptions by default.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: bodhicitta]
#12766786 - 06/19/10 01:23 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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when you use the term magical thinking you reduce it to small associations in your mind
Thankyou.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: deCypher]
#12766887 - 06/19/10 01:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cyph3r said:
In one sense everything is magic; in another nothing is. This seems to rather dilute the word.
Have you ever been Hobbled? Mr Man?
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#12766918 - 06/19/10 01:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Multiple times. I try to overcome the suffering that Life puts in my way. PS I love Stephen King.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
#12767967 - 06/19/10 09:08 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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magic is everywhere in this bitch.
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  If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: bodhicitta]
#12768042 - 06/19/10 09:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhicitta said:
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Icelander said:
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WScottsdale said:
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Icelander said:
The odds are 100%. Things happen because they can. None of this happens to be magic imo. It's all perfectly natural to the universe we inhabit.
Magic is natural.
War is peace.
it just shows that thinking in labels is a shortcut to actual thought. when you use the term magical thinking you reduce it to small associations in your mind tied up to theories from shrinks who never experienced anything remotely far out from their constricted academic boxes and who wouldn't have recognized anything unusual if it hit them on the head because two days later they would have been reestablished in their patterned preconceptions by default.
You're thinking in stereotypes. 
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
#12768362 - 06/19/10 11:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The hypocrite has a point.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
#12768633 - 06/19/10 01:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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guilty as charged, your honor. 
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: bodhicitta]
#12768690 - 06/19/10 01:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Life is just a game.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
#12768943 - 06/19/10 02:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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bodhicitta said:
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Icelander said:
War is peace.
it just shows that thinking in labels is a shortcut to actual thought. when you use the term magical thinking you reduce it to small associations in your mind tied up to theories from shrinks who never experienced anything remotely far out from their constricted academic boxes and who wouldn't have recognized anything unusual if it hit them on the head because two days later they would have been reestablished in their patterned preconceptions by default.
You're thinking in stereotypes.
Still, he has a point. I mean, can you really just accept the academic perspective on psychology hook line and sinker? A distinction between a student of psychology and a spiritual seeker might be that the seekers have the impulse to find out for themselves and not be satisfied with what they are told.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: circastes]
#12768956 - 06/19/10 02:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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circastes said:
Enlightenment is going, "Oh I'm God, look at that. Is that all it is? Just this and Now? It's already over? Okay. I accept."
Life doesn't blow your mind. Life is a mind, that was always blown.
We Gotta Get Out Of This Place. I can't be enlightened here on Earth.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: WScott]
#12769018 - 06/19/10 02:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Or do you just like talking about it?
Writing is far more effective than talking, and can actually induce awakening.
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: g00ru]
#12769047 - 06/19/10 03:06 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean, can you really just accept the academic perspective on psychology hook line and sinker?
I'm much more likely to when (as it has) it jibes with my own personal experience.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
#12769087 - 06/19/10 03:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish I could say the same 
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Re: Do you want to be enlightened? [Re: g00ru]
#12769389 - 06/19/10 04:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol, I'm not too sure how anyone can see a difference between what Buddhism says and what academic psychology says. There are some things that Buddhism speaks about that psychology does not, but this does not mean there is a difference. The things they both speak about are in agreement. The places that psychology doesn't speak about are the places that it cannot study.
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