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#12736716 - 06/13/10 04:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sub:
1 Bag:
4 cups sawdust fuel pellets (8 cups after they've expanded)
4 cups hydrated misc woodchips
1 cup WBS flour
1/2 cup granulated gypsum
5'ish cups of water
B/E:
First Flush: 1789 Grams (1.789Kg/3.93lbs)
Second Flush: 891 grams (1.92 lbs)
Total sub: 40lbs
B/E: So Far, 14.6%
Approx 1 week between flushes.
Total Harvest to Date: 5.85lbs/2.653kg
Environment:
Never less then 90% RH
14 Hour Light 6500K Floro
14-18C Average
This one is from the Top Left block in the greenhouse picture.
Garlic, Butter and chopped Lions Mane.
Fresh garden picked salad.
With chicken breast, garlic and butter.
Full Harvest with a few cool Macro Shots:
This top head here was 289 grams, it was a result of the flap being cut at the top of the block (much like the 269 gram block) but at the sacrifice of losing a chunk of the sub. We shalt see if this will contaminate because of it. The inner flesh is left to be desired compared to the others, its mainly thickly banded braided of teeth, no thick marshmallowy filling like the others.
Edited by Mephistophelian (07/02/10 12:05 PM)
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Excellent Meph. i just got a plate of this from Tripsis the other day.
Would i grow this the same as i've done my King Oysters, agar to grain (and lc), grain to grain, grain to straw or compost/chips/sawdust?
Is there anything you know about that would be different for the substrate?
Looking forward to trying them, i've never even seen them in aus. If i have as good results as you i'll be happy
Also, i built a similar greenhouse to your's yesterday, but what are the bits of pvc pipe? Are they stuffed with polyfill for ae?
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 Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: punkin]
#12737164 - 06/13/10 06:12 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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You got it my friend...just your standard chip/sawdust mix with any supplement your using at the moment. Nothing special with these. Just make sure you don't poke more then 2-3 holes in the bag when you get them ready to fruit.
Sometimes they'll fluff up quite a bit in the plenum of the bag, so just cut a little square so it can crawl out of the top and fruit properly.
The fan stays on 24/7, the light is on a 14 hour timer (heavy duty appliance timer $10) and a 15 on/off timer for the Ultra Sonic. I have a DIY repeat cycle timer I'm going to tune to reduce the amount of water waste yet...it cost me $35 to assemble (just a little solder and DIY building). That water reservoir will last me approximately 6 days. So its very very low maintenance and worry free setup.
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Thanks mate. That's similar to what i did. A mate gave me an old stainless bread display rack. I found some plastic sheeting in my shed, and last week at the dump shop there were a couple of those asthma humidifiers for $1 the pair. Bit of cellotape and some staples...
I got an old drum and some fittings from the shed and made a remote tank so i don't have to open the plastic. ATM i have it on for 2hrs, three times a day. I'll have to pick up a hygrometer somewhere to see how it's doing, but it looks the buisness.
Looking forward to trying Lions Mane, how would you describe it to eat?
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Smart looking set up.
Re your DIY timer, despite being in the Uk I bought one of These cycle timer kits from up your way which (so far) works a treat, giving 4 mins/hr of fan in my incubation chamber.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: solarity]
#12740383 - 06/14/10 09:36 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Made by the same guys (different distributor) is this kit that I got.
This Kit Here
It's pretty sensitive to nail it to specific minutes, but it works well for the price compared to $90.
I thought about what Mycelio said in another post and figured I'd post some data on the grow for others in case they want specifics (since this hobby does require more then repition of "standard recipe" and pictures)
Edited by Mephistophelian (06/14/10 10:31 AM)
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I'm envious Meph, great setup!
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Quote:
I thought about what Mycelio said in another post and figured I'd post some data on the grow for others in case they want specifics (since this hobby does require more then repition of "standard recipe" and pictures)
Thanks, i appreciate that. When you use woodchips, do you have trouble with them penetrating the bags?
The ones i get are cyprus (i think) from my local hardwood sawmill and they are long and splintery rather than square.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: punkin]
#12741467 - 06/14/10 03:00 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mine are from the chip stack behind my town. So they can be big long branches, sharp shards, square bits, everything...but they aren't bad when I mix them around with the sawdust. It was pretty bad when I was doing only woodchip bags for my outdoor bags. I blew it a few times with those. Not happy about that.
So, what I suggest is...avoid anything that is like a branch, and for the splintery types, maybe just take a pair of heavy wire cutters and lob the really sharp edges off? Though I've never had a splinter go through, just branches. You getting alot punching through when mixed with your sawdust? Are you using unicorn style bags?
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Yes the Unicorn bags, that's why i've been trialling the composted chips from the recycle centre (besides that i get em for free )
The chips look like this...
I just used some micropore where the obvious punctures were, but still it's a problem.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: punkin]
#12741503 - 06/14/10 03:11 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those are far better looking then mine. I wonder why your having so many puncture problems....
Is it Pre-PC, Post-PC or after mixing it around? You doing 5lb bags?
I mix my chips in really well with my sawdust, then I load the bags, then PC. I found I'd get punctures only on the chip-only bags going into the PC when they'd squeeze tight or when I pulled them out and they'd snag.
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Seems to be when mixing. I'll persevere and weed out the sharper looking ones.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: punkin]
#12744937 - 06/15/10 03:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey Punkin, here's what I do-a bit of origami!
Get some newspaper, and fold a few sheets to protect the bag. On the smaller bags I use a folded page to cover the bottom and two sides, then another folded page to cover the bottom and the other two sides.
I started using paper to soak up excess moisture from my grain spawn, and it's the way I do all my bags now.
If your mixing in the bag, it should still work, but maybe use extra paper.
The Canberra times is fine, soybased inks, suitable for agricultural use. Just ring your local rag and ask.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: worowa]
#12745081 - 06/15/10 04:04 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perfect, thanks.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: punkin]
#12756924 - 06/17/10 08:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Updated.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: ratdog]
#12764576 - 06/18/10 06:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Final harvest of first flush with details.
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so you're yielding ~8oz per bag per flush? how many flushes do you get per bag? how long does it take from full colonization to harvest?
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12773773 - 06/20/10 04:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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2 Weeks approx to fruit all the way to harvest.
About 8 oz a bag yup...just make sure you only poke 2 holes to get 2 large fruits or 3 holes for 3 smaller ones.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12775528 - 06/20/10 09:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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so how many gallon(s) of substrate do you have in each bag?
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12775818 - 06/20/10 10:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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5lbs...which is about 4qts to a lb which equates to 20qts which is, 5 Gallons.
basically 1 gallon is 1lb of sub.
To address your question in another thread, I would suggest against fruiting lions mane in a tub setting. You want as little of the sub exposed as possible. I made slits no larger then 5mm across so that the fruit body would be as thick as possible where if you have an open top (like in one of my bags), then you get a very tightly wound ball of 'coral' structures that makes a large, though very damaging (to the substrate) fruitbody.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12775889 - 06/20/10 11:05 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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and how would i remedy that?
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12775900 - 06/20/10 11:08 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fruiting in bags, like you see in all the pictures of lions mane being fruited.
Other species are better suited for the horizontal tray style, but not these.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12776451 - 06/21/10 01:19 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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or...i could cover the top with a hard opaque plastic and drill several holes on the sides of the tub? should produce a similar environment to bags where you have a little headspace but no way out on top and then holes on the sides amirite? is there any reason why this shouldn't work?
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12776460 - 06/21/10 01:21 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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pardon the double post but could i use 5 gallon plastic buckets with a cover on and holes drilled in the side to produce good enough fruiting conditions for lions mane?
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12777735 - 06/21/10 10:44 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I'd say experiment and find out. I've never done it...but in theory it would work at least half-decently. No reason not to try. I'd only have 2-3 holes in the bucket and you'd be doing pasteurized sub instead of sterilized.
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#12778400 - 06/21/10 02:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for the tip man, i actually just ordered some lions mane myc today from spore works so hopefully that'll come in the next 5 or so days at which point im gonna use 150% of the myc called for in the wood lover smoothie tek but in the form of LC to compensate for the lack of spores. quick question tho, i have 2 garbage bags full of wood chips with twigs and leaves in it, should i worry about the leaves/twigs as long as they're pasteurized? also is it safe to leave them in said garbage bags for the next 2 weeks as far as contams go? btw, thank you very much for all of your help and once i'm up and growing things, if you ever want me to send you an LC or some shit in gratitude just ask.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12780236 - 06/21/10 08:26 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Moisture + no air = your enemy. Moisture will harbor and bring molds and bacteria quickly, especially with wood. If they're bone dry, your fine. Though I've yet to see anyone successfully do pasteurized woodchips/twigs. Perhaps because the temperature can't penetrate the wood well enough, I don't know. But if your wanting to include chips and the like, your probably far better off with sterilization (you can also add extra nutrients like wheat/rice bran to boost yield when doing sterilization where pasteurizing, that's pretty dicey).
No problem, good to help. I'd also recommend having a look at RR's videos. They definitely save on time of searching the boards trying to piece information together and getting confused, at least once you've got those as a solid reference, you can experiment and search from there on. He did a great job on them.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12780285 - 06/21/10 08:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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i watched all of his vids before i made any of my threads. also im gonna be pasteurizing with bleach so specific heat of the substrate is a non-issue
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12780312 - 06/21/10 08:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well,  give it a whirl. I've never done bleach pasteurizing, I hate chemicals.
But good luck to you all the same Experience is by far the best teacher.
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#12780571 - 06/21/10 09:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks, ill prob take pics of all important things if you're interested in the viability of this flavor of the tek. prob gonna go for a boiling bleach water pasteurization and overdo the amount of LC i add for good measure, can never be too careful when going into somewhat uncharted waters like this and the fact that there's a decent amount of lichen in there. if you wanna see a pic of what i have atm its in this thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12780506/vc/1#12780506
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12780592 - 06/21/10 09:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait...are you planning on bypassing using grain spawn and going from LC to straight woodchip/sawdust?
Your going to have very poor and very slow results without grain spawn first.
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12780999 - 06/21/10 10:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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ya i realized that and im just gonna go the traditional way of PC'd spawn bags first time 'round and i guess fruit it once or twice then use the mushrooms for a smoothie "spawn". y'know, may as well get the tried and true under my belt before doing anything adventurous/stupid
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Re: Some Lions Mane... [Re: sashiva]
#12837103 - 07/02/10 12:02 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Updated with second flush.
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Those are awesome looking. So how do you know when to poke the holes in the bag? Do you just want till the bags are fully colonized or do you wait longer than that for signs of pins forming? For additional flushes do they fruit out of the same holes are the first flush?
Thanks for all the info!
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Once fully colonized, which is also a dead give-away when you have a small forest growing in the top of the bag in a hurry. Try to do it before a forest forms, just pins at best.
Just poke 2 holes in the bag. Even 1 is ok too. Just not more then that, or your fruits get too small.
They do fruit out the same hole. Just give the fruit a twist and it will come of cleanly. If there is too much flesh hanging out, just snip it flush with the plastic and it will begin to reform within about 3-4 days. If you have substrate damage like what I had on the two bags where I cut a hole in the plenum space, it will heal and refruit from that hole again in the exact same fashion.
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Starting this today Meph, i have only a litre jar of spawn ready and nothing else mushroom to do this w'end so i'm just steam sterilising two bags as per your recipe.
I'll use my jar to spawn to the bags tonight when they're done. Looking forward to tasting these mushrooms for the first time
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