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I can answer that: YOU did. and only YOU can change it.
Buddhism and Robert Anton Wilson have revealed to me that I am 100% in control of what happens to me, when, and why....even if i don't realize it....
it just takes some metapogramming practice.
-------------------- If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Quote: JackofSpades said: it just takes some metapogramming practice.
What kinds of metaprogramming practices would you recommend?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
both those books tuned me into what metaprogramming is about. John Lily came up with the idea and describes it as the computer programming itself.
Leary described it as the nervous system imprinted on itself and capable of selecting it's own reality tunnel.
For me, meta-programming is all about being aware you are conditioned, becoming aware of how you are conditioned and then selectively altering your conditioned patterns of behavior to suit a better reality tunnel than the one you have.
Therapy actually has something like this but they call it cognitive behavioral therapy.
I HAD to do all this shit cause I was psychologically fucked up and needed to heal myself.
Anyway, the way you enter into the meta-programming circuit as Leary called it (or your third eye chakra) is to take a dose of mushrooms or acid and then find your boundaries and alter them based on what you want.
Its a gradual process. If you really really want to know how to do it, buy the books I suggested. They are top notch. The 8 circuit brain one isn't as good (still good) as the other two
Prometheus Rising is like the theory and Angel is practical application. google is also a good idea. this is the equivelant of magik i think...maybe check out Aleister crowly
check out the deoxyribonucleic hyper dimension (website google it)
-------------------- If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Quote: JackofSpades said: "who the fuck created this place?"
I can answer that: YOU did. and only YOU can change it.
I agree.
-------------------- see The Private Life of Plants and The Vanishing of The Honeybees. to me, both give an incredibly profound message. the first one is a series simply about plants, but plants are not simple, and it illustrates how nature works in perfect harmony. the second is about bees disappearing, and it shows how human technology is sometimes very detrimental to a number of life systems, including humans.
Quote: JackofSpades said: Anyway, the way you enter into the meta-programming circuit as Leary called it (or your third eye chakra) is to take a dose of mushrooms or acid and then find your boundaries and alter them based on what you want.
I think ecstasy would also be good for this.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
sort of. X is good for pushing the boundaries that fear creates but i think meta-programming is more about pushing the limitations of thought, understanding, and identity.
at least thats my take on it.
honestly, i have found that i dont really even need drugs to do this kind of "self-improvement" if you want to call it that. its really just about maintaining what buddhism calls "mindfulness"
-------------------- If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Quote: JackofSpades said: sort of. X is good for pushing the boundaries that fear creates but i think meta-programming is more about pushing the limitations of thought, understanding, and identity.
at least thats my take on it.
I pretty much agree, 'shrooms and E make you think about totally different things IME.
Quote: JackofSpades said: honestly, i have found that i dont really even need drugs to do this kind of "self-improvement" if you want to call it that. its really just about maintaining what buddhism calls "mindfulness"
Self-reflection becomes more intense while in psychedelics IME.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
yeah im with you for sure. E is just such a mellow mind change (in terms of psychedelic thought) which is why leary foucsed on heavier psychs to change behavior jus saying.
also im with you on using drugs to meta-program. im just sorta trying to put my shit together (I'm like 85% where i want to be) so im holding on off on psychs other than ayahuasca which isn't a drug imo but i havent taken it since the winter and im going to hold off until the end of this month due to circumstances pertaining to mah enviorment.
-------------------- If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Quote: JackofSpades said: Anyway, the way you enter into the meta-programming circuit as Leary called it (or your third eye chakra) is to take a dose of mushrooms or acid and then find your boundaries and alter them based on what you want.
I think ecstasy would also be good for this.
N2O is my personal favorite when it comes to metaprogramming due to its short duration and ready availability.
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
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Re: Spirituality and Drunkenness [Re: deCypher] #12687307 - 06/04/10 08:54 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)
Wait until your liver or kidneys start to fail. I assure you, if you can handle that sort of pain without crying and contention then you have no need for any sort of spirituality. You are then a higher being.
Renal failure was the single most painful event this body experienced with memory.
I've been wanting to reply to this thread since it started, but I've held back because everytime I think about drinking and it's positive or spiritual effects I go blank, because I think my reasons for drinking only really become convincing while I'm drinking or drunk. That to me is the weirdest part of drinking. I've been trying SO hard for the past few years to try and draw over to sober life things that I feel and experience while drinking, but it seems impossible. There is such a disparity between the two states, that after drinking it's like having a box of cookies, they were delicious, but now they're gone and you've got nothing but a stomach ache.
The thing that I would love to integrate into sober life from drinking is my general attitude, which switches to intense interest and excitement. Normally I can't have very smooth conversations with random people, but while drinking my socializing skills are very smooth, which ever makes hanging out with people I already know well that much better. This and other things seem to stem from some faculty of alcoholic intoxication that *allows* me to be happy, which translates into excitement and interest. This allowment comes from a strange loosening that occurs, hence "getting loosened up." What becomes loose? Why is it so tight normally? What propels this?
Now, this happiness has a companion...ENERGY! I am a rocket when I'm drunk. I have been trying to unravel this relationship for a long time, but I believe that one is a precursor to the other. Either happiness makes me energetic or energy makes me happy. This is backed up by my experiences with caffeine, which makes me energetic/happy. With the introduction of energy it seems we're still dealing with this loosening, after all you can't be coiled up and bouncing off the walls.
This whole loosening concept I think is extremely spiritual because I feel like I am more of who I am when it happens. I become sure of myself and have an interest in the world around me. I find that, despite my engagement in the world when I'm drunk, I'm slightly detached to what actually happens, or maybe my expectations are relaxed, because I can more easily go with the flow in a way that sees each experience as being as beneficial as the last, or in other words, equality between all experiences in terms of their worth.
Unfortunately I can't drink too much or else the good effects fade and it becomes more of a routine. After spring semester ended I drank for 2 weeks straight and every few days for a week after that. It didn't help that my neighbors gave me for free, three six packs of 16oz. PBRs lol. It got to be too much and I started craving sobriety. In sobriety I am finding myself sincerely yearning for an authentic release from this thing that makes me want to drink, that keeps the positives of drinking away from me while I'm sober. I'm tired of this game; King me or Kill me.
Unlike the other drugs i take, i find the benifits of observing conciouness change with alchohol is best done in the 3rd party, as from the 1st person perspective it is hard to observe and analyse the effects properly.
Being drunk is someways is like tripping, Just like how when tripping your periphery is where the most distortion occurs, what you focus on will distort at different levels depending on dose, the the periphery is where most of the action is.
This is probably because the mind is trying to take information and connect it with the symbols stored in the memory so it can create a picture of reality, when it source information is not as defined it gets confused and has trouble making the right associations. I don't have any solid proof so far as the greater community goes, but when i trip things tend to act in a way that is somewhat understandable, trees in the distance may have tenticles instead of branches, pictures animate as if previously they were movies and someone had paused them.
With alchohol, the brain slows down, everything becomes periphery, the brain is jumping to the wrong conclutions just like when tripping, this time however it is because everythingis periphery and it has not had any enhancement. Animal mind takes over, as the brain connect process as much information in this state, only base systems take priority, survival and mating dominates, one becomes a slave to instinctual/emotional prompts, rational discrimination is reduced and the emotional filter can turn the phrase "see what i did there" into "you fucking dickhead". People become attention whores, territorial issue's arise, and the sexual objective rises in priority.
So far as i'm concerned it is the one fo the most detrimental drugs, for personal development, for health and for the greater society. It is the Greatest contributer, aside from ignorance itself, to Pack Mentality, Sexual abuse and Physical Violence.
i'm not saying you shouldn't do it, we are human and this kind of release can be useful, definetly an advantage in situations where overthinking can be a problem, but overall in the battle between our physical animal self and our higher selfs, alchohol culture is very detrimental, probably only as popular as it is because it is the legal option.
I'm gonna have to end in a conspiracy theorist fashion. Why is alchohol the Legal drug? Big buck industry has enough pull? too many advocates to make illegal.
Perhaps, When people drink and act in a emotionally/instinctually driven animal fashion, we are more predictable and easier to control, like a animal of a lower mental capacity we respond predictably to stimuli. Perhaps being stoned and questioning everything before acting is not the ideal conciousness for the Serfs and peasents? Perhaps being drunk and quick to act without thought is Preferable???
the only thing is it isn't "they" kept it legal to keep "us" down. Rather, WE keep it legal to keep ourselves down.
I mean shit, George Bush, who is probably associated with more conspiracy theories than anyone on the planet right now because of 9/11, was an alcoholic.
Look around the drunkards are the one's making the rules!
people like to be numb. expanded reality is hard because it makes you a fuck load more responsible for your own life. i think a lot of people would rather chill in the cave with the shadow puppets and what not.
-------------------- If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
the only thing is it isn't "they" kept it legal to keep "us" down. Rather, WE keep it legal to keep ourselves down.
I mean shit, George Bush, who is probably associated with more conspiracy theories than anyone on the planet right now because of 9/11, was an alcoholic.
Look around the drunkards are the one's making the rules!
people like to be numb. expanded reality is hard because it makes you a fuck load more responsible for your own life. i think a lot of people would rather chill in the cave with the shadow puppets and what not.
Agreed, if we were capable enough we'd have no excuse for projecting so many parental figures to exchange rights for responsibility.
Its not my fault my kid played a game that is too violent and now shoots cars from the overpass with the BB gun i didn't know he had, even though i gave him the money he used to buy it, Its the governments fautl for not having laws and regulations, i'm not a bad parent whom lacks responsibility i'm the victim of a bad government who lacks responsibility.
OHHH its not my poor boys fault that he died, how could you say something so cruel, its not his fault either he didn't know any better the poor innocent thing.... its the governments fault They should have regulations and laws, i would happily give up my rights and liberty so that i don't need to have responsibility.....sure thing mister politician/law maker, i'll be your bitch if you'll be my daddy
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If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
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