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 Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile  [Re: zappaisgod]
#12410558 - 04/17/10 08:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know so, I just changed my oil last week. I mean, unscrewing a bolt, screwing it back in, and doing the same with a filter, plus the time it takes to pour the oil shouldn't take long at all.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: bardleyrichard]
#12410825 - 04/17/10 09:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've done it myself and I know it isn't that big a deal. Several times. I also know it isn't 15 minutes and I will gladly pay the 18 bucks to have somebody else do the labor.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: zappaisgod]
#12411666 - 04/18/10 12:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Time depends on the vehicle, there's no easy way to change the oil on some vehicles.
I spent about 40 minutes changing the oil on one of my motorcycles, and about 5 minutes changing the oil on one of my scooters. 2 hours changing the oil on a peterbuilt semi, 30 minutes changing the oil on a big dodge truck.
I usually accomplish 5-10 tasks on the vehicle at the same time in a matter of an hour or two and get most of the maintenance done and gone. Then I have another 3 months or so before I need to spend and hour or two on the weekend again.
You will save money immediately and in the long run, but it's not my choice to say what you should do with your money.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: cyanophilus]
#12413460 - 04/18/10 09:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How much money do you have invested in tools?
It may make sense for you to do those things. For the vast majority of people it does not.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: zappaisgod]
#12413732 - 04/18/10 11:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am a broke college student who makes $3k/yr and barely eats, I have a small set of sockets and screwdrivers and that's about it.
I am still able to do about 80% of my own repairs, and im a complete newbie to vehicle mechanics.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: cyanophilus] 1
#12414284 - 04/18/10 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's great that you don't need a bunch of weird specialty tools for most repairs. Unless you are working on some certain parts, you need like $10-20 in tools (If you want the crappy brands)
But you can change the brakes, change the oil, work on the exhaust, change head/tail lights, change O2sensor (you might need a special socket for that), change the fuel filter, and probably a lot more that I can't think of with a socket set and a couple screwdrivers.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: bardleyrichard] 1
#12414475 - 04/18/10 02:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have replaced just about everything under the hood of my Camry that didn't require lifting the engine.
Radiator, water pump, power steering column, power steering reservoir, thousands of tubes and filters and gaskets, greased chassis, greased CV boots, etc.
I bought my own radiator online and installed it for 340$ less than the mechanic would have, and in about 20 minutes(including draining and removing the old one). 4 bolts, 2-4 tubes. yes its that easy on almost all vehicles.
Seriously, unless you own a car that needs the engine removed to do maintenance, why not do it yourself? A lot of repairs are "basic" but are made to look complicated by mechanics who don't want to lose business and monkeys who stare into the pile of wires and convey their confusion.
Obviously there are going to be some repairs you can't do on your own, and a mechanic would be required. But the majority of people would be able to do the majority of maintenance with a little bit of get-off-your-ass syndrome.
I suggest anyone who wants to save around 1,000$/year pick up a repair manual online for the vehicle you own, and start doing your own basic maintenance. Obviously, you need to read what the job requires and if your able to even do it.
Crawling under your vehicle and greasing your CV boots might mean the difference between a 4$ tube of grease and a 600$ automotive bill because they dried out and busted. Why wait 'til your next oilchange to have someone crawl under there and check them out? Might also be your life on the line if it got bad enough. Wouldn't be fun to lose control of your front wheels on the freeway.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: cyanophilus]
#12416428 - 04/18/10 07:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I totally agree. I actually believe that every high-school should have a mandatory shop class on how to repair/maintain basic parts on an automobile, that would be taught to EVERYONE, including women and nerds (and hot nerd babes).
But it really comes down to Do you wanna do it yourself and save money, or do you trust someone else doing it for a small fortune?
For me, I will be doing these oil changes myself. The money saved from doing it myself trumps the amount of time, effort and trouble saved from paying someone to do it.
But like you said Cyan, some things are not easy to do by yourself, like jobs that require specialty tools or large/expensive machines like a auto-lift or a tire-balancer.
But for oil changes, anyone with a socket/crescent wrench, a pan, a oil filter tool and filter, and a couple other things can do it with little effort and a little time.
And Its worth the effort. 
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: zappaisgod]
#12419182 - 04/19/10 10:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uh huh. 15 minutes? I don't think so.
I have a 95 blazer and the last time I did my oil it took my around 20 minutes. That includes putting the old oil back into the new bottles. It is that easy on most SUV's.
I did my own radiator as well. Four hoses. about six bolts and it slides right out. I had never done a radiator before. Took me about an hour.
My point just goes along with whats been stated. With a little get-off-your-ass juice you can save a lot of money.
As for tools I did all of this with a flat head screwdriver and a wrench(the kind that changes size with a little movement of the thumb).
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 Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: livenotonevil]
#12423245 - 04/19/10 11:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice dude! 
Its good to hear guys who aren't familiar with tools, autos, and such do oil changes. Puts lazy guys like me to shame.
Oh, and I wanna to fill ya in on this....
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you said:
...and a wrench (the kind that changes size with a little movement of the thumb).
The name if the wrench you are thinking of is called a crescent wrench. Like you said, it has a rough thumb wheel near the jaws for adjusting the distance between the fixed top jaw and the adjustable jaw bottom. That is one of the most important tools I own, and can be used frequently on a auto. I use it all the time for other things too.
Keep up the good work Liveno
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: zappaisgod]
#12423650 - 04/20/10 12:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't think that's money well spent you have no respect for your own time.
I think you may have forgotten how the other half lives. $18 for roughly a half hour of work? I doubt my time will ever be more valuable than that.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#12424990 - 04/20/10 08:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Nice dude!
Its good to hear guys who aren't familiar with tools, autos, and such do oil changes. Puts lazy guys like me to shame.
Oh, and I wanna to fill ya in on this....
Quote:
you said:
...and a wrench (the kind that changes size with a little movement of the thumb).
The name if the wrench you are thinking of is called a crescent wrench. Like you said, it has a rough thumb wheel near the jaws for adjusting the distance between the fixed top jaw and the adjustable jaw bottom. That is one of the most important tools I own, and can be used frequently on a auto. I use it all the time for other things too.
Keep up the good work Liveno
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"Crescent" is a brand name. They're called adjustable wrenches.
No mechanic that earns a living with his tools would use one. It's considered a "wrench of last resort".
Most people don't even realize there is a right way to use them.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12425006 - 04/20/10 08:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've made all of my money with my tools and there is an adjustable wrench in my box that gets used all the time. I have 5 different lengths and I'll tell ya they've all helped and not as a last resort. It's been around for a couple hundred years for a reason.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: dangermike78]
#12425016 - 04/20/10 08:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've made all of my money with my tools and there is an adjustable wrench in my box that gets used all the time. I have 5 different lengths and I'll tell ya they've all helped and not as a last resort. It's been around for a couple hundred years for a reason.
I have them as well. I'd be embarrassed to use them on a regular basis. Regular wrenches fit better and are less likely to round the nut or bolt you're using them on.
But hey, good luck to you. Any mechanic that uses them on anything of mine will be replaced.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12425033 - 04/20/10 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Huh, kinda grouchy in tha mornings? Just stating my opinion Mr. Man.
Hope your day gets better for you.
You've never had a large nut or bolt stuck and not had the right tool and used an adjustable? The large one really come in handy while doing chassis work. A lot cheaper than buying specialty tools for 50+ bucks a pop too.
Obviously you're not a golfer.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: dangermike78]
#12425259 - 04/20/10 10:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive had crescent wrenches round off nuts and bolts too, about 40% of the time.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: dangermike78]
#12427688 - 04/20/10 07:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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dangermike78 said:
Huh, kinda grouchy in tha mornings? Just stating my opinion Mr. Man.
Hope your day gets better for you.
You've never had a large nut or bolt stuck and not had the right tool and used an adjustable? The large one really come in handy while doing chassis work. A lot cheaper than buying specialty tools for 50+ bucks a pop too.
Obviously you're not a golfer.
Nope. Not grouchy. I just have a love for things of a mechanical nature and hate to see hacks using the wrong tools. Like those who use the wrong size phillips screwdrivers. Or those that use straight bladed screwdrivers as a chisel.
Buy a good quality tool once, have it for life (discounting breakage). Buy a crap tool, you'll soon buy a better one.
Using a crescent wrench is like using a metric wrench on an American standard bolt. A bad idea.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12427748 - 04/20/10 07:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meow?
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: dangermike78]
#12427772 - 04/20/10 07:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The lack of cleverness or content in your response is as good as saying I'm right.
Thanks.
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Re: The Cost of Changing the Motor Oil for an Automobile [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12427905 - 04/20/10 07:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope. Not into piss fights. So all you get is meows from now on.
Meow.
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