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 c0sm0nautt
 
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 Re: Is Astrology Real?  [Re: deCypher]
#12385814 - 04/13/10 04:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What did you make of it? Accurate?
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
    
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deCypher
Registered: 02/10/08
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Surprisingly so.
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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
  
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transital
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c0sm0nautt said:
If you want to do me: June 24th, 1988 around Noon in West Islip, NY 
I didn't do the planets in the signs and houses, check this first. Here you have your Ascendant, Moon sign, some aspects, North/South Node and then Chiron. In the aspects the square/oppositions & trine/sextile descriptions are together so check which one you have and focus on them.
Virgo Ascendant
People with Virgo rising are often a little understated in their personal mannerisms and appearance, although a lot depends on the position of Mercury (the ruling planet of Virgo) in the chart. Generally, there is an intelligent and reserved aura about Virgo rising individuals that is unmistakable. These are actually somewhat shy people who need time to analyze things around them before they warm up to both situations and people. This quality can be received exactly as that, or it can be received as a rather stand-offish, cool, and even critical manner (depending on the audience).
One of the biggest personality traits of this position is body-awareness. People with Virgo ascendants are sensitive to any discomfort or other signals their body gives them. Many are especially interested and concerned with physical health, and some are attracted to mind-body awareness exercises such as yoga. Virgo rising people are often rather particular about food. Although some have good appetites, there can be an unmistakable pickiness about what they put in and on their bodies.
Virgo ascendant natives have a tendency to worry a lot, especially when confronted with new situations. They notice the tiniest details that others overlook.
Many people with this position have a tendency to attract (or be attracted to) people who need help. Their relationships may be confusing as a result. Despite the Virgo rising tendency to appear rather collected and professional, relationships can sometimes be messy simply because these natives don't always see their partners and partnerships clearly.
There's a quiet charm to many Virgo rising people. Once they have the chance to warm up to new people and situations, you'll find they have a lot to offer. They'll help you out of a jam, go out on a limb for you, and surprise you with a natural modesty under a somewhat critical and standoffish manner.
The Ascendant (or rising sign) is often considered the mask one wears when meeting others. Perhaps it is most aptly thought of as the automatic responses to one's environment. The Ascendant shows our natural defenses and how we cope with day-to-day issues. The energies of the sign and condition of the Ascendant are most overt and obvious to others. The Ascendant shows an individual's first, natural reaction to new people and situations.
The characteristics of Virgo Ascendant described above are modified by planets conjunct the Ascendant, planets that aspect the Ascendant, and the position of the ruling planet of the sign on the Ascendant. For example, a person with a Virgo Ascendant with its ruling planet, Mercury, in Sagittarius will respond to the environment a little differently than another person, also with a Virgo Ascendant, but whose Mercury is in Scorpio. Similarly, a person with a Virgo Ascendant who also has Saturn conjunct it will "behave" differently than someone with a Virgo Ascendant who does not have that aspect in their natal charts.
Virgo Rising and Mercury in Gemini
Your ruling planet, Mercury is in the quick, lively, alert sign of Gemini, indicating that you are an extremely intellectual, mentally active person. You are interested in everything; you grasp new ideas quickly; you respond rapidly to changing needs and circumstances. Organizing ideas and information and/or facilitating efficient communications is your forte, an important aspect of your work/service. You could be a writer, editor, librarian, work with computers, manage a fast-paced office. Too much mental activity, however, creates nervous stress. It would be well for you to learn ways and make time to really slow down and relax your nervous system, as your metabolism is fast and nervous system tends to be rather high-strung.
Moon in Libra
Moon in Libra people have a strong need for partnership. Without someone to share their lives with, they feel utterly incomplete. This is why many people with this position get involved in marriages or living-together arrangements quite young.
Because this drive for harmony, peace, and sharing is so powerful, Lunar Librans are apt to do a lot of conceding. They are sympathetic and concerned for others, enjoy socializing, and revel in a good debate. Mental rapport with others is especially important to them.
Lunar Librans feel safe and secure when they are in a partnership. These are the people who seem to always need to have someone tag along with them wherever they go—even if it is to the corner store. They find strength and reinforcement in and through others.
Both men and women with this position are often quite charming. They can be very attractive to be around, and are often given to flirtatiousness. Rarely directly aggressive, these people win your heart with their gentle and refined ways.
Moon in Libra natives simply can't help but see flaws in their environment and their relationships. In fact, anything out of whack will bother them until it's fixed. Although diplomatic with acquaintances, when Moon in Libra natives argue with their long-standing partners, they rarely let up until they win. And, winning an argument is a Libran specialty—in fact, they may not even believe what they are saying, but will adopt all kinds of ideas just to get the last word. Living with Lunar Librans can sometimes feel like you are on trial, and Libra is the expert lawyer. Sometimes, though, Libra is defending you and supporting your point of view.
Lunar Librans' idealistic outlook and constant striving for the best, most harmonious lifestyle can lead to much discontent. Looking for that one (elusive) perfect way to lead their lives can detract from enjoyment of the moment.
Sun trine Moon
The emotions and the will are at peace with one another, suggesting a rather balanced personality. The "messages" received in childhood were not contradictory overall, and these people have a stronger sense of purpose and appreciation of harmony than most people. Many people with these aspects are personally popular, likely because they expect harmony in their relationships. Sun sextile or trine Moon people are generally very attracted to relationships and are attractive to the opposite sex. A certain level of self-confidence and a sense of security make these people quite easy to deal with on many levels. Their relaxed, easygoing disposition puts others at ease.
When the Sun and Moon are in harmonious aspect, the natives may not be prepared for conflict and could be inclined to avoid rocking the boat. They may acquiesce a little too often, if only to maintain a feeling of balance and harmony, as conflict is something they not only dislike, it's something they might fear. The tendency towards too much acceptance--of the self and of others--is most prominent with the trine. These people must be encouraged to question life, or they run the risk of taking things for granted.
Vitality is usually good and quite constant. These are not hard-driving people, unless other indications in the chart point to it, but the constitution is generally strong. At any rate, they are not prone to the kinds of ups and downs that plague those with challenging aspects between the Sun and Moon. This is because their goals and their emotional needs are in harmony, despite being different.
Sun opposition Saturn
Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Saturn face a fair number of challenges in their lives, especially in the first half of life, in which their attempts to express their will are thwarted. There can be a persistent feeling that they don't get what they want more often than other people around them. They can feel unlucky. Attempts to control their environment, and sometimes others, may be frequent.
These people fear their own feelings of inadequacy! They want to be considered accomplished and important people, and when they face obstacles, they don't always want to believe that they are their own worst enemy. They long to be considered important in the eyes of the world, yet they harbor fear of success at the same time. They take failures and minor setbacks to heart, and some practically beat themselves up over them. Self-awareness to the point of real self-consciousness is characteristic of Sun-Saturn challenging aspects. The truth is, nobody holds a microscope over them, except for themselves. A little setback or a faux pas needn't be analyzed to death. Fingers needn't be pointed. No, they didn't make a spectacle of themselves when they made a mistake. They need to stop worrying about always being right, or appearing suave and accomplished. When they ease the pressure they put on themselves, they find that they don't face as many brick walls. It is very much about what they feel they deserve. Deep down inside, if they let themselves truly believe that they deserve happiness and peace of mind, they will find it.
When Saturn is closely connected to a personal planet, there is usually an effect of censoring going on with whatever is ruled by the planet it joins by aspect. For example, with the Moon, which rules emotions, the natives feel the need to censor their emotions and feelings, scanning them for what is thought to be frivolous. With Saturn and the Sun, there is much self-censoring going on. "I shouldn't.." is a common censoring mechanism with these people. They feel they shouldn't want too much. When they express egotism of any form, some part of them feels guilty. As the Sun rules our conscious mind, it does enough censoring on its own. It is the "adult" within us. Saturn, on the other hand, is more like the "parent" within us. We need parents to guide us when we are children, and to some degree as adults, but for the most part, we don't need to be censored indefinitely--something that seems to be the case with Saturn-Sun hard aspects, except that the censoring and parenting is coming from within.
Ideally, these people eventually learn that the standards they set for themselves are too high, and that may be the reason they seem to hit brick walls. They recognize that many of the restrictions they face in life are often self-created, born of a defeatist attitude. They should be aware of the tendency to choose the hardest paths to travel and/or to deny themselves some of life's pleasures. Working on recognizing and managing these tendencies will help them to avoid the pitfalls of this combination. These people have a sarcastic sense of humor, a keen intelligence, and the ability to apply caution and strategy. The vitality may suffer, and troubles with the bones, teeth, and circulation may surface.
Sun opposition Uranus
The ego is quite large when the Sun is square or opposite Uranus. This is largely due to the fact that these people's very identities ride on their sense of personal freedom. It can be quite a challenge to get them to do what they don't want to do, simply because they see any attempts to push them in a certain direction as threatening their freedom. These are very dynamic individuals who question tradition and authority, yet, paradoxically, are quite set in their own ways.
These people have a love-hate relationship with their own uniqueness. Much of the time they are very proud of their original personalities. Other times, they feel a bit left out for being "different". Although they are humanitarian in many ways, they can be a little brusque when it comes to sentimentality or what they perceive to be excessive attachment to the past or to tradition.
When the Sun and Uranus form a challenging aspect, there can be a lot of nervous energy and defensiveness. It can be difficult to hold a 9 to 5 job or to develop steady routines. They work best when they can manage their own schedules. They work in spurts. When they are hit with creative inspiration, they are capable of tremendous effort. However, they can be quite temperamental, and it is very hard for them to pour their hearts and souls into something that they don't "feel" for at the moment. They don't like superficiality or pretense, which is an admirable trait. However, their disdain for pretense can be problematic in a world where people are expected to perform whether they are inspired or not! I have a daughter who has the Sun in challenging aspect to Uranus, and there was quite an adjustment period when she entered first grade--a time when kids begin to truly experience structure. When the children in her gym class were told to dance, she simply stood there, immobile. When asked why she was not dancing, she replied, "But I don't feel the dance inside of me, so how can I dance?" Sun-Uranus people don't always feel like they "fit in" with the rules and structures of society. However, those that recognize the need to conform at least some of the time may be able to channel their high levels of intuition, inventiveness, and spiritedness into creative endeavors or important causes. They might find that they encounter much less resistance in day-to-day life this way.
Sun opposition Neptune
Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Neptune often struggle with a desire to be something special or to experience something more than the ordinary. They are day-dreamers and idealists. It is easy for these people to trust others, even (and perhaps especially) people who might seem from the outside looking in as unsavory types. They are looking to identify with something beyond what is normally expected of people.
Most have in common a childhood that didn't help the natives direct or define their lives. Perhaps the early family life was lacking in supervision or clearly defined rules. A father figure may have been absent or distant and ineffective. Many people with these aspects have a glorified image of their fathers. Whether the image is very positive or very negative (or if it swings between these extremes), the image is not very clear or rational. Whatever the case may be, these people struggle with defining who they are. They might gravitate towards the "wrong people", or get in with the "wrong crowd" in an attempt to define who they are. They might be susceptible to being taken advantage of by others, especially by men or authority figures. They can be easily led astray by peculiar desires or self-destructive habits. In order to add a greater-than-ordinary dimension of experience to their lives that helps them to feel special and important, they might be attracted to Neptune-ruled behaviors, such as secret affairs, drugs, or other escapist behaviors. In some way, these people feel a strong urge to glamorize their role in the world. In extreme cases, the natives are completely deluded. However, in most cases, there is simply some confusion about the past (such as remembering childhood experiences in ways that are far removed from reality), and a tendency to daydream about being someone more "important" than they assume they are. They may struggle with early conditioning that made them feel tossed aside or neglected in some way, and certainly not directed and supported.
These people are very sensitive, especially with regards to any real or imagined blows to their ego. If the natal chart shows a strong sense of reality and a robust mind (Mercury and Saturn well-placed, for example), the negative interpretations of this aspect are less extreme. Still, the natives are likely to recognize at some point in their lives that they have a tendency to engage in escapist and self-destructive fantasies and/or habits. It is useful to be able to connect these behaviors with their probable source, which is likely to be a weakly-defined ego and identity in childhood.
Mercury square Mars
Argumentative and rather aggressive and critical in discussions, you tend to turn any conversation into a debate, and sometimes a verbal war. You could be a spokesman for a righteous cause, a lawyer vigorously defending a client, a sharp analyst or critic. You are a convincing speaker, but are not especially receptive to the ideas and opinions of others. You have a forceful intellect and an aptitude for mental work.
Venus square Mars
Whether it's an infatuation or a full-blown love affair, relationships get these people out of bed in the morning. They are passionate people who seem to need an active romantic and sexual life to drive them. Often, this area of life is somewhat challenging, especially in youth. As much as they want to be involved in a passionate affair, their timing can be off and/or it's difficult to find a relationship that mirrors their strong desires and expectations. Especially when they are young, there can be a real awkwardness in their social skills--this may or may not be apparent to others, but these people most definitely feel it themselves.
These people are highly creative and generally are driven to express that creativity. Their passion for romance is often channeled into their creative output. For example, challenges in relationships may be a large part of the drive behind their poetry, music, or other art.
Love and hate are very much mixed together with these people. They are prone to love-hate relationships with others, likely because their passions are such that the old saying "there's a fine line between love and hate" rings especially true. Some level of competitiveness, anger, frustration, or angst is present in their relationships with the opposite sex. In some cases, abuse is present, either in the form of receiving or giving it. Although they are quick to anger, they are generally just as quick to forget about it.
Alternate, short interpretation: Venus square Mars or Venus opposition Mars: *You are intensely amorous and attractive to the opposite sex, and are not inclined to friendly platonic relationships. There is much tension in your love life - often because you put your desires ahead of your partner's, and are impatient about having your love needs satisfied. The whole arena of love, romance, and sex is endlessly fascinating for you and you are not happy without a love partner. You can "burn yourself out" by pouring so much of your energy into romance.
~In this lifetime the erotic impulses of human love, desire, and sexual relationships are a highly charged focus of your attention. Expressing your sexual energies and personal magnetic attractiveness in ways that are loving and respectful or at least not harmful to yourself and others will be one of your issues. Dominating others through your sexuality or allowing yourself to be dominated in this way is also a theme. Dissonance or turbulence in intimate relationships, especially over differences in sexual drives or needs, must be handled with care. Expressing your passion in ways that are compatible with your own values and sense of beauty is the key here.
On another level, balancing and integrating masculine and feminine energies within yourself is the challenge. Carrying or wearing watermelon tourmaline can be quite useful along these lines.
Mercury conjunct Venus
You get along with most people and are usually willing to make compromises in relationships to maintain harmony. That doesn't mean you become a doormat for others, but you have a strong sense of fairness and do not offend others without just cause. Others are seldom threatened or intimidated by you, largely because of your affable nature and social grace. You are willing to listen to anyone's opinions and suggestions before making major decisions.
Direct competition may be uncomfortable for you, and you may feel more at ease working with a small group of people. Perhaps you enjoy public speaking or performing in the dramatic arts. Another possible source of satisfaction for you would be writing, because of your natural talent for expressing yourself well. You have an imaginative mind and are clever at cooking up schemes to improve your economic situation. It is not difficult for you to turn your many creative ideas into ready cash.
Others will usually support you in what you do because they can see that you exercise good judgment. They can believe in you and are glad to pitch in to help you succeed. Just be sure you don't ask anyone else to take risks you yourself wouldn't attempt. Actually, any chances that you take will be well considered and are probably not that risky after all.
In love relationships, you have a talent for communicating your needs and desires to your partner. You are attracted to people who share your artistic talents or at least an appreciation of the arts. The worst possible mate for you would be one who is socially uncouth. In sex you have a healthy open attitude and can discuss the subject rather easily with your partner. Verbal expression during sex can be very stimulating for you! A lover who doesn't communicate or who is quiet in bed may not be very satisfying for you in the long haul.
Alternate interpretations: You appreciate aesthetics and have a fine sense of form, design, and beauty. You could develop considerable technical skill as an artist, designer, craftsman, or creative writer. You could also sell objects of beauty - artistic products, cosmetics, jewelry, etc. You have the ability to please and harmonize well with others and tend to ameliorate relationships between people. Your sense of humor, tact, and personal charm are of great benefit to you in any work with people on a one-to-one level.
You have a love affair going with the mind and you value all of its offspring: words, ideas, thoughts, and such. And you love to talk. In particular you appreciate good conversation, and you feel that stimulating mental adventures (either alone or with others) are among the most exciting experiences life offers. You have a built-in sense of discrimination when it comes to the intellect -- all mental activities.
Mars square Saturn
You are a perfectionist. You can pick at yourself and others unmercifully, trying to get circumstances in your life to match some unspecified standard. Your energy becomes freer to work in an unencumbered way when you recognize that you aren't really looking to match an objective standard at all. What you want is to find some emotionally and psychologically defendable ground to stand on. The real trick in life for you is to keep moving. This is not easy since you should really only move ahead on a project after forethought or planning; your judgments tend to be colored by your fears or your momentary desires. You work very hard for what comes to you. This is unavoidable. But, you could end up working very hard for no gain. This is avoidable through balancing your drives with your responsibilities. You find that you have better health and much freer energy if you get vigorous physical exercise at least three times a week.
Mars square Saturn or Mars opposition Saturn: You work hard and patiently to achieve your objectives, persevering and continuing on in spite of difficulties and discouragement. Concentrating on a single, clearly defined goal, you are able to accomplish much, but you often feel that the way is long and arduous, and that you must struggle on alone, that it's all on your shoulders.
You are capable of great self-control and self-denial and can be a hard task master, expecting far too much of yourself. You also tend to hold yourself back, to doubt your own power and ability. You feel that you meet with great resistance whenever you try to assert yourself or take initiative. Anger and frustration can be big problems for you, especially when you try to work with other people or depend too much on others for support. You work best in solitude.
#Your involvement with other people often focuses on the harshest side of human experience. You become aware of destructive energies around you and learn to overcome these difficulties. Your spiritual life can become the source of nearly inexhaustible energy. You face tests through death or separation.
Mars square Uranus
Alternate, short interpretations: Mars square Uranus or Mars opposition Uranus: *Intensely restless, dynamic, and energetic, you are always on the go. When you want something, you want it NOW, and you act decisively, impulsively, sometimes hastily and prematurely. Impatient, high-strung, and often nervous and tense, you find it difficult to slow down, pace yourself, or relax. You are fiercely individualistic and independent, self-willed and intolerant of restraints and restrictions imposed by others. You have a reckless disregard for authority and can be extremely rebellious. Cooperating with others is not your strong point! You are often brutally frank and abrupt with people, and can be quite impersonal when you are pursuing a desired goal. You may have an explosive temper when your will is blocked. You have a superabundance of energy and need much personal freedom to do things in your own style and at your own pace.
#Your life is peppered with dangerous intersections where you may be physically injured. These very events, however, form the substance of your spiritual path. It takes courage to follow this independent path, and effort to maintain strong relationships as you do so. Intuition can be a great asset.
Moon sextile Saturn
It's quite natural and easy for you to keep your cool during times of stress or emotional upheaval. You are able to employ common sense when others around you may be expressing fear or impatience, and you are generally respected for this ability. Your instincts are towards caution, responsibility, and moderation. Your habits are simple and moderate as well, and this comes so naturally to you that you may have trouble understanding others who are less orderly, disciplined, and grounded.
Moon trine Saturn: You do what seems right to you regardless of what others think. But what others think gets factored into your overall reality assessment which in turn determines what you do. You are accomplished, dutiful and disciplined in your daily habits. This leads to self-sacrifice without any great fanfare. You are talented but self-satisfied and content which keeps you aiming at the center of the road. This conservatism protects you from extremes of action so you may not accomplish much but you are always sufficiently productive to get rewarded for your efforts.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Saturn have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Moon sextile Neptune
With these aspects in the natal chart, there is an unmistakably compassionate and understanding side to the nature. These people have a natural affinity to music. While everyone enjoys music, people with Moon in harmonious aspect to Neptune respond to music as a vehicle to heal, relax, and to uplift the soul. Naturally perceptive, without even trying they tune into the feelings of others, and the mood of their surroundings. There is a distinct emotional need to escape into the world of imagination, and to withdraw from others at times when they need to re-center themselves, largely because they tend to "take in" a lot of mixed energies from their surroundings. Strong and sudden "feelings" and hunches can overcome them. More often than not, their intuition is correct, although their imagination is also powerful and they can read too much into a situation as a result. Some laziness is associated with this position. This stems from a natural timidity and sensitivity that is apparent from youth. They may have been labeled "shy" in youth, and family members or friends may have jumped in to "save" them from situations that required boldness or aggressiveness. Thus, passivity was accepted and, as adults, these people are less experienced than most when it comes to reaching out or going after what they want.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Neptune have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Pisces North Node, South Node Virgo
Having been the one who was duty-bound and played according to the ‘Rules’ in a former life (or earlier in this one) you now have the chance to relax your linear mind and move towards your heart’s true desires. What is it you truly long for now? Is it love, beauty, imaginative creativity? Or is it simply the chance to relax your guard and take in the view from the mountaintop? In the past you may have felt that you were the person who always had to do the right thing. You were being observed, and you had high expectations of yourself and others did too. You may have been a doctor, priest, or skilled craftsperson in a previous life—someone who was expected to be precise and perfect.
But now you have the chance to relax, to not be perfect and to unite the impulses of your heart with those of your head. You can dare to be gentle with yourself now, and dare to make mistakes, to let some details go, and to be as compassionate and forgiving with yourself as you are with others. It’s a good idea to practice getting out of unpleasant situations gracefully rather than being duty-bound or judgmental. You don’t “have to be right” now or confrontational, and you can dare to use your intuition and take action even when you don’t have all the answers. You don’t have to over-analyze things any more. Part of your soul-yearning in this life is to learn to trust in the process of life and to surrender your anxieties to a higher power. You are more loved than you realize.
Pisces North Nodes often find that having two or more jobs or roles is more pleasurable than just one---you can be an artist as well as a parent, or an accountant by day and a musician by evening. And at times you will benefit from swimming against the prevailing social currents of your time and swimming upstream like the Piscean symbol of the two fishes. At times you may find yourself struggling with issues around fear and faith, spirituality vs. religion or independence vs. dependence or addiction. You will find that beauty in all its forms nurtures you and helps you to access your higher power. Like the salmon that make their way home against all odds, you have the inner strength and the homing radar that can lead you to your spiritual home.
As a Pisces North Node person, you are the compassionate visionaries who light the way for the rest of us. And no matter what career path you choose, it’s going to be your inner compassion and intuition that brings you success and satisfaction. As you reach for the gold in the shadow of your South Node Virgo you’ll still enjoy analyzing, yet you’ll be able to soften in your position—and sometimes just simply doing what needs to be done with an accepting attitude. There’s a purity of heart in the Virgo ways that is released by the hopes, yearnings, and struggles of your Pisces North Node…..and remember…. that which you are reaching for, is already deep in your Soul.
Soul Purpose: Transcending boundaries by bringing compassionate and imaginative awareness into everything you do. You are meant to become an explorer of the deep psyche; the unconscious in all its manifestations, and to know that you are loved unconditionally. Let go of the idea that life “is a struggle” and embrace the idea that a pleasurable life is a good life, and that you deserve the “magic of a creative life” in which your head and heart, body and soul, work as one. The phrase “Be good to yourself” is meant for you.
Shadow: Do you still feel yourself struggling, self-doubting, and stressing about the little things in life? Lack of self-confidence, and issues around duty, guilt and shame need to be released. You are your worst enemy at those times when you buy into self-limiting beliefs about yourself.
The “anti-guru Guru” J. Krishnamurti, had these Pisces/Virgo Nodes. He was raised by New Age Theosophists in the early 1900’s to become a great spiritual leader, and he had enormous expectations put on him to “be right and almost beyond human” in all he did. In fact, he was expected to move into the role of becoming a World Teacher, if not “the second coming of Christ.”
The pressured discipline inherent in his South Node Virgo played itself out in his early life, and ultimately brought him to a nervous breakdown/enlightenment in his late twenties. Taken out of India as a child, he was educated in England, and it wasn’t until he was past his first Saturn Return in his thirties that he truly came into his self-confidence in himself as a person. At a huge assembly in Belgium, Krishnamurti stood up in front of thousands of people and declared that he was not the Messiah they were hoping for. He released himself from expectations and roles, and insisted that the only thing he could teach was how to be free. However he spoke with so much charisma, and experience bred from his personal struggles, that he created followers even in his rebellion.
Krishnamurti insisted that the only thing he could teach was about the nature of the mind itself and the way to freedom—a way that was without dogma or guidelines. He distained spiritual gurus and religions of any kind, and essentially had the heart of a mystic which shines through in his poetry. Ironically he ended up becoming just what the Theosophists predicted—a great spiritual teacher, yet what he taught was radically different than expected.
Freedom is the foundation for the Pisces North Node. Krishnamurti suffered in order to be free from limiting expectations, and he is best known for his teachings around the philosophy that: “Truth is a pathless land.” The use of “spiritual imagination” is another cornerstone for Pisces, and Krishnamurti evolved into becoming a cognitive mystic who dialogued constantly about moving beyond the realms of duality that most of us live in. His teachings influenced millions of people, including metaphysicians such as David Bohm.
The Pisces North Node urges us to bring the head and the heart together, and to find ways to transcend traditional boundaries and even to flow into altered states of consciousness. Meditation, in all its forms, is one of the most time honored ways to do this, and Krishnamurti spoke endlessly about meditation —here are a few of his quotes on the subject:
"Meditation is one of the greatest arts in life-perhaps the greatest, and one cannot possibly learn it from anybody, that is the beauty of it. It has no technique and therefore no authority. When you learn about yourself, watch yourself, watch the way you walk, how you eat, what you say, the gossip, the hate, the jealousy-if you are aware of all that in yourself, without any choice, that is part of meditation."
“Man, in order to escape his conflicts, has invented many forms of meditation. These have been based on desire, will, and the urge for achievement, and imply conflict and a struggle to arrive. This conscious, deliberate striving is always within the limits of a conditioned mind, and in this there is no freedom. All effort to meditate is the denial of meditation. Meditation is the ending of thought. It is only then that there is a different dimension which is beyond time.”
South Node Twelfth House, North Node Sixth House
If you look at the Nodes from a re-incarnational viewpoint, then you view the South Node as descriptive of your last life, or lives, in terms of what you didn’t get right---what you still need to work on in this life, and the default pattern that you fall back onto when life becomes stressful. Your Soul wants to move away from the habits of the South Node, and yearns to move towards the qualities of your North Node.
The South Node in the Twelfth House of the subconscious, hints that you may have spent many lifetimes in dissolution of the ego—either through meditation and spiritual quests or drug/alcohol abuse, co-dependence, of confinement in convents, prisons, or asylums. You might also have felt exiled or ostracized from your community in some way, and in this life there’s a desire to regain your identity, your sense of Self, and to manifest your vision in a concrete way here on Earth.
For you to re-engage your ego, you need to develop the perspective of the marketplace and the valley, rather than the mystic view from the mountaintop. There’s a need to get good at handling the mundane details of life. You bring with you now a compassionate and perhaps mystical understanding of life which needs to be grounded in the affairs of this world. With a newly restored ego and persona you are better able to navigate the first half of your life, and the unconscious gold in the shadow of your twelfth house waits for you as you enter the second half of life with a stable ego intact.
So you’ll want to leave behind: feeling yourself to be a victim, escapism and addictive tendencies, withdrawal and feelings of inadequacy, oversensitivity and the avoidance of planning. The qualities for you to develop are: bringing order to chaos, creating routines, focusing on the here and now, being of service to others, taking risks in spite of fears, and choosing to value and analyze details.
With this Nodal axis there can be a desire for a person or mentor who you can totally trust. You want to let go into something larger than yourself that will support you, but you are more likely to get this when you go out into the world and are of service to others first. There you are more likely to find the people and mentors you desire, but you might even find that you don’t need them as much as you thought! In this emerging into the “marketplace” and sharing your gifts and talents, you may find that you yourself are the trusted mentor that you have been looking for….you’ve become your own best authority, and are now truly the author of your own life!
Chiron in the Tenth:
The lesson for Chiron in the Tenth has to do with finding true purpose on the Earth plane. The tenth house is about goals, achievement and recognition, and always implies a great deal of drive and motivation. When the effort is on behalf of a transpersonal vision, it becomes a sacred purpose. With Chiron here, you have authority, though you may try not to own it. You have great power, which could create conflicts in your being. Your only solution and healing are to accept the power inherent within you. This may typically happen around the time of the 'Saturn return', between the ages of 28 and 30. At that time you are more able to separate from the projections of parents and other role models from childhood. If you were pushed to achieve, you may have a reactionary aversion to success and power. The key to your Chironic realization is the mastery of power as a sacred gift. The more you can identify your power expression and live it out, the more you will both find your healing and give your ultimate gift.
Chiron in Cancer:
Your healing crisis and/or path of initiation has to do with your cultural roots and issues of personal protection and belonging. You tend to have strong ties with the past and your ancestral roots, and may feel deeply threatened by the present Earth crisis, and the lack of security manifested in our present day culture. Your challenge is to recognize your power to create your own security, and by so doing, you will discover keys which you can share with others. Perhaps your biggest challenge is to release yourself from the patterns of fear around the issues of safety, and to resonate with the power of your own free will. Creativity, self-expression, learning to be playful and keep a sense of humor will be very helpful in your path, which could be a difficult one until the spectre of fear is mastered. The house placement of this Chiron shows the area of life in which you are seeking release from the hold of Saturn's restraints, and where the Uranian liberation is to be found.
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The interpretations were taken from:
http://www.cafeastrology.com
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/
http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/chiron.htm
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I'am the Gemini, the twins, the duality I guess. It seems to suite me pretty damn well.. full of contradictions and anomalies lol. Also very imaginative which fits me perfectly. It's also an air sign
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Air Signs are also about communication. These individuals want to get the word out, and it's not likely to be fluff. They are alert, curious and perceptive.
The world as seen by an Air Sign will be an interesting one, as their analysis and subsequent explanation (hopefully in terms we can understand) will indicate.
Those influenced by Air are inventive and clever. They see all sides of the equation and are able to glean the best approach. Balance is important to these airy folk.
So, are Air Signers fresh as a summer breeze or howling like the wind? Probably both, depending on when you catch them. While these folks are often cool, calm and collected, they can turn cold if their equilibrium is upset.
This is a good site for astrology.
http://www.xtraastrology.com/zodiac_elements/zodiac_elements_air.html
Cycpher does that explaination of pisces fit you or what?
Also btw apparently Shakespear said our personalities are dictated\governed by the stars. Something like that.
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What did you make of it? Accurate?
How did you find the aspects?
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: transital]
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Virgo Ascendant
People with Virgo rising are often a little understated in their personal mannerisms and appearance, although a lot depends on the position of Mercury (the ruling planet of Virgo) in the chart. Generally, there is an intelligent and reserved aura about Virgo rising individuals that is unmistakable. These are actually somewhat shy people who need time to analyze things around them before they warm up to both situations and people. This quality can be received exactly as that, or it can be received as a rather stand-offish, cool, and even critical manner (depending on the audience).
One of the biggest personality traits of this position is body-awareness. People with Virgo ascendants are sensitive to any discomfort or other signals their body gives them. Many are especially interested and concerned with physical health, and some are attracted to mind-body awareness exercises such as yoga. Virgo rising people are often rather particular about food. Although some have good appetites, there can be an unmistakable pickiness about what they put in and on their bodies.
Virgo ascendant natives have a tendency to worry a lot, especially when confronted with new situations. They notice the tiniest details that others overlook.
Many people with this position have a tendency to attract (or be attracted to) people who need help. Their relationships may be confusing as a result. Despite the Virgo rising tendency to appear rather collected and professional, relationships can sometimes be messy simply because these natives don't always see their partners and partnerships clearly.
There's a quiet charm to many Virgo rising people. Once they have the chance to warm up to new people and situations, you'll find they have a lot to offer. They'll help you out of a jam, go out on a limb for you, and surprise you with a natural modesty under a somewhat critical and standoffish manner.
The Ascendant (or rising sign) is often considered the mask one wears when meeting others. Perhaps it is most aptly thought of as the automatic responses to one's environment. The Ascendant shows our natural defenses and how we cope with day-to-day issues. The energies of the sign and condition of the Ascendant are most overt and obvious to others. The Ascendant shows an individual's first, natural reaction to new people and situations.
I do try and eat a healthy diet and go to the gym at least four times a week. I do worry about certain situations in life where anxiety is prevalent. I do pay attention to detail. A lot of the other stuff did not really apply to me.
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Virgo Rising and Mercury in Gemini
Your ruling planet, Mercury is in the quick, lively, alert sign of Gemini, indicating that you are an extremely intellectual, mentally active person. You are interested in everything; you grasp new ideas quickly; you respond rapidly to changing needs and circumstances. Organizing ideas and information and/or facilitating efficient communications is your forte, an important aspect of your work/service. You could be a writer, editor, librarian, work with computers, manage a fast-paced office. Too much mental activity, however, creates nervous stress. It would be well for you to learn ways and make time to really slow down and relax your nervous system, as your metabolism is fast and nervous system tends to be rather high-strung.
This one was right on. I do A LOT of thinking in my own head, and this is perhaps my biggest strength and weakness.
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Moon in Libra
Moon in Libra people have a strong need for partnership. Without someone to share their lives with, they feel utterly incomplete. This is why many people with this position get involved in marriages or living-together arrangements quite young.
Because this drive for harmony, peace, and sharing is so powerful, Lunar Librans are apt to do a lot of conceding. They are sympathetic and concerned for others, enjoy socializing, and revel in a good debate. Mental rapport with others is especially important to them.
Lunar Librans feel safe and secure when they are in a partnership. These are the people who seem to always need to have someone tag along with them wherever they go—even if it is to the corner store. They find strength and reinforcement in and through others.
Both men and women with this position are often quite charming. They can be very attractive to be around, and are often given to flirtatiousness. Rarely directly aggressive, these people win your heart with their gentle and refined ways.
Moon in Libra natives simply can't help but see flaws in their environment and their relationships. In fact, anything out of whack will bother them until it's fixed. Although diplomatic with acquaintances, when Moon in Libra natives argue with their long-standing partners, they rarely let up until they win. And, winning an argument is a Libran specialty—in fact, they may not even believe what they are saying, but will adopt all kinds of ideas just to get the last word. Living with Lunar Librans can sometimes feel like you are on trial, and Libra is the expert lawyer. Sometimes, though, Libra is defending you and supporting your point of view.
Lunar Librans' idealistic outlook and constant striving for the best, most harmonious lifestyle can lead to much discontent. Looking for that one (elusive) perfect way to lead their lives can detract from enjoyment of the moment.
No doubt I feel more safe and secure when I am with my partner, friends and family - but who doesn't? I sure find reinforcement in these people. I do not see myself as a flirtatious person at all. I hardly talked to girl in High School, and didn't really come out of this shell until Freshmen year of college. Still, to this day, I don't feel comfortable acting flirtatiously, at least not with random people. I definitely strive for my ideals, which may lead to discontent and a feeling of guilt at times.
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Sun trine Moon
The emotions and the will are at peace with one another, suggesting a rather balanced personality. The "messages" received in childhood were not contradictory overall, and these people have a stronger sense of purpose and appreciation of harmony than most people. Many people with these aspects are personally popular, likely because they expect harmony in their relationships. Sun sextile or trine Moon people are generally very attracted to relationships and are attractive to the opposite sex. A certain level of self-confidence and a sense of security make these people quite easy to deal with on many levels. Their relaxed, easygoing disposition puts others at ease.
When the Sun and Moon are in harmonious aspect, the natives may not be prepared for conflict and could be inclined to avoid rocking the boat. They may acquiesce a little too often, if only to maintain a feeling of balance and harmony, as conflict is something they not only dislike, it's something they might fear. The tendency towards too much acceptance--of the self and of others--is most prominent with the trine. These people must be encouraged to question life, or they run the risk of taking things for granted.
Vitality is usually good and quite constant. These are not hard-driving people, unless other indications in the chart point to it, but the constitution is generally strong. At any rate, they are not prone to the kinds of ups and downs that plague those with challenging aspects between the Sun and Moon. This is because their goals and their emotional needs are in harmony, despite being different.
Contrary to this, I feel I question life on a daily basis. My life has A LOT of ups and downs. The other stuff didn't really jump out at me.
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Sun opposition Saturn
Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Saturn face a fair number of challenges in their lives, especially in the first half of life, in which their attempts to express their will are thwarted. There can be a persistent feeling that they don't get what they want more often than other people around them. They can feel unlucky. Attempts to control their environment, and sometimes others, may be frequent.
These people fear their own feelings of inadequacy! They want to be considered accomplished and important people, and when they face obstacles, they don't always want to believe that they are their own worst enemy. They long to be considered important in the eyes of the world, yet they harbor fear of success at the same time. They take failures and minor setbacks to heart, and some practically beat themselves up over them. Self-awareness to the point of real self-consciousness is characteristic of Sun-Saturn challenging aspects. The truth is, nobody holds a microscope over them, except for themselves. A little setback or a faux pas needn't be analyzed to death. Fingers needn't be pointed. No, they didn't make a spectacle of themselves when they made a mistake. They need to stop worrying about always being right, or appearing suave and accomplished. When they ease the pressure they put on themselves, they find that they don't face as many brick walls. It is very much about what they feel they deserve. Deep down inside, if they let themselves truly believe that they deserve happiness and peace of mind, they will find it.
When Saturn is closely connected to a personal planet, there is usually an effect of censoring going on with whatever is ruled by the planet it joins by aspect. For example, with the Moon, which rules emotions, the natives feel the need to censor their emotions and feelings, scanning them for what is thought to be frivolous. With Saturn and the Sun, there is much self-censoring going on. "I shouldn't.." is a common censoring mechanism with these people. They feel they shouldn't want too much. When they express egotism of any form, some part of them feels guilty. As the Sun rules our conscious mind, it does enough censoring on its own. It is the "adult" within us. Saturn, on the other hand, is more like the "parent" within us. We need parents to guide us when we are children, and to some degree as adults, but for the most part, we don't need to be censored indefinitely--something that seems to be the case with Saturn-Sun hard aspects, except that the censoring and parenting is coming from within.
Ideally, these people eventually learn that the standards they set for themselves are too high, and that may be the reason they seem to hit brick walls. They recognize that many of the restrictions they face in life are often self-created, born of a defeatist attitude. They should be aware of the tendency to choose the hardest paths to travel and/or to deny themselves some of life's pleasures. Working on recognizing and managing these tendencies will help them to avoid the pitfalls of this combination. These people have a sarcastic sense of humor, a keen intelligence, and the ability to apply caution and strategy. The vitality may suffer, and troubles with the bones, teeth, and circulation may surface.
Ok this one was right on, although some aspects seem to contradict what the previous reading said.
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Sun opposition Uranus
The ego is quite large when the Sun is square or opposite Uranus. This is largely due to the fact that these people's very identities ride on their sense of personal freedom. It can be quite a challenge to get them to do what they don't want to do, simply because they see any attempts to push them in a certain direction as threatening their freedom. These are very dynamic individuals who question tradition and authority, yet, paradoxically, are quite set in their own ways.
These people have a love-hate relationship with their own uniqueness. Much of the time they are very proud of their original personalities. Other times, they feel a bit left out for being "different". Although they are humanitarian in many ways, they can be a little brusque when it comes to sentimentality or what they perceive to be excessive attachment to the past or to tradition.
When the Sun and Uranus form a challenging aspect, there can be a lot of nervous energy and defensiveness. It can be difficult to hold a 9 to 5 job or to develop steady routines. They work best when they can manage their own schedules. They work in spurts. When they are hit with creative inspiration, they are capable of tremendous effort. However, they can be quite temperamental, and it is very hard for them to pour their hearts and souls into something that they don't "feel" for at the moment. They don't like superficiality or pretense, which is an admirable trait. However, their disdain for pretense can be problematic in a world where people are expected to perform whether they are inspired or not! I have a daughter who has the Sun in challenging aspect to Uranus, and there was quite an adjustment period when she entered first grade--a time when kids begin to truly experience structure. When the children in her gym class were told to dance, she simply stood there, immobile. When asked why she was not dancing, she replied, "But I don't feel the dance inside of me, so how can I dance?" Sun-Uranus people don't always feel like they "fit in" with the rules and structures of society. However, those that recognize the need to conform at least some of the time may be able to channel their high levels of intuition, inventiveness, and spiritedness into creative endeavors or important causes. They might find that they encounter much less resistance in day-to-day life this way.
Once again, I can relate with the highlighted areas but no so much the rest.
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Sun opposition Neptune
Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Neptune often struggle with a desire to be something special or to experience something more than the ordinary. They are day-dreamers and idealists. It is easy for these people to trust others, even (and perhaps especially) people who might seem from the outside looking in as unsavory types. They are looking to identify with something beyond what is normally expected of people.
Most have in common a childhood that didn't help the natives direct or define their lives. Perhaps the early family life was lacking in supervision or clearly defined rules.A father figure may have been absent or distant and ineffective. Many people with these aspects have a glorified image of their fathers. Whether the image is very positive or very negative (or if it swings between these extremes), the image is not very clear or rational. Whatever the case may be, these people struggle with defining who they are. They might gravitate towards the "wrong people", or get in with the "wrong crowd" in an attempt to define who they are. They might be susceptible to being taken advantage of by others, especially by men or authority figures. They can be easily led astray by peculiar desires or self-destructive habits. In order to add a greater-than-ordinary dimension of experience to their lives that helps them to feel special and important, they might be attracted to Neptune-ruled behaviors, such as secret affairs, drugs, or other escapist behaviors. In some way, these people feel a strong urge to glamorize their role in the world. In extreme cases, the natives are completely deluded. However, in most cases, there is simply some confusion about the past (such as remembering childhood experiences in ways that are far removed from reality), and a tendency to daydream about being someone more "important" than they assume they are. They may struggle with early conditioning that made them feel tossed aside or neglected in some way, and certainly not directed and supported.
These people are very sensitive, especially with regards to any real or imagined blows to their ego. If the natal chart shows a strong sense of reality and a robust mind (Mercury and Saturn well-placed, for example), the negative interpretations of this aspect are less extreme. Still, the natives are likely to recognize at some point in their lives that they have a tendency to engage in escapist and self-destructive fantasies and/or habits. It is useful to be able to connect these behaviors with their probable source, which is likely to be a weakly-defined ego and identity in childhood.
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Mercury square Mars
Argumentative and rather aggressive and critical in discussions, you tend to turn any conversation into a debate, and sometimes a verbal war. You could be a spokesman for a righteous cause, a lawyer vigorously defending a client, a sharp analyst or critic. You are a convincing speaker, but are not especially receptive to the ideas and opinions of others. You have a forceful intellect and an aptitude for mental work.
Venus square Mars
Whether it's an infatuation or a full-blown love affair, relationships get these people out of bed in the morning. They are passionate people who seem to need an active romantic and sexual life to drive them. Often, this area of life is somewhat challenging, especially in youth. As much as they want to be involved in a passionate affair, their timing can be off and/or it's difficult to find a relationship that mirrors their strong desires and expectations. Especially when they are young, there can be a real awkwardness in their social skills--this may or may not be apparent to others, but these people most definitely feel it themselves.
These people are highly creative and generally are driven to express that creativity. Their passion for romance is often channeled into their creative output. For example, challenges in relationships may be a large part of the drive behind their poetry, music, or other art.
Love and hate are very much mixed together with these people. They are prone to love-hate relationships with others, likely because their passions are such that the old saying "there's a fine line between love and hate" rings especially true. Some level of competitiveness, anger, frustration, or angst is present in their relationships with the opposite sex. In some cases, abuse is present, either in the form of receiving or giving it. Although they are quick to anger, they are generally just as quick to forget about it.
Alternate, short interpretation: Venus square Mars or Venus opposition Mars: *You are intensely amorous and attractive to the opposite sex, and are not inclined to friendly platonic relationships. There is much tension in your love life - often because you put your desires ahead of your partner's, and are impatient about having your love needs satisfied. The whole arena of love, romance, and sex is endlessly fascinating for you and you are not happy without a love partner. You can "burn yourself out" by pouring so much of your energy into romance.
~In this lifetime the erotic impulses of human love, desire, and sexual relationships are a highly charged focus of your attention. Expressing your sexual energies and personal magnetic attractiveness in ways that are loving and respectful or at least not harmful to yourself and others will be one of your issues. Dominating others through your sexuality or allowing yourself to be dominated in this way is also a theme. Dissonance or turbulence in intimate relationships, especially over differences in sexual drives or needs, must be handled with care. Expressing your passion in ways that are compatible with your own values and sense of beauty is the key here.
On another level, balancing and integrating masculine and feminine energies within yourself is the challenge. Carrying or wearing watermelon tourmaline can be quite useful along these lines.
Overall, some it was on, some of it off, some of it contradictory. My problem is that there is so much information I feel like anyone could pull something out of it that pertains to them.
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Thanks c0sm0nautt for your feedback. It was very useful. 
From what I've learned in Astrology you can't examine parts of the chart independently from the rest. This is precisely why I'm interested in your feedback and I am after all taking my first baby steps. For example, your rising sign or Ascendant (Virgo) is quite a general description for those who share it. Now, you saw that you totally agreed with the description of Ascendant Virgo but with Mercury in Gemini? This is because the position of the ruling planet of your Virgo Ascendant, which in this case is Mercury, reveals what makes you stand out from the rest of the Virgo Ascendants.
One might find contradiction when seeing things independently in a chart, but when you see the overall picture you will find that some planets are indeed in stronger positions than others or just that some fill in where others lack. In Astrology there is a thing called Essential Dignities and it's concern is with planetary strength.
When you told me that you are not really flirtatious like stated in your Moon in Libra position, the only thing I can come up with is that this might be connected to your Virgo Rising since according to the description I posted: “These are actually somewhat shy people who need time to analyze things around them before they warm up to both situations and people”. If you were to examine people that don't have this seemingly contradiction the description would actually resonate in them.
Then there's the Sun trine Moon. Your main problem with it is that you think that you do question life quite a lot. You have Mercury in the 9th House and also Mercury is in one of it's ruling signs according to classical Astrology. I did not include Planets in the houses & signs, but see the following. The 9th house has to do with how you seek meaning and purpose of life. It is concerned with: “how you seek the meaning & purpose of Life through: philosophy, religion, higher learning, spirituality, mysticism, inner vision, journeys of the mind, psychic attunement, taking the long view, seeing history and the present from a higher perspective, a sense of humor, observing and connecting widely-divergent ideas and opinions; how you learn about life and its diversity through: study of foreign ideas or foreign cultures or religions, traveling to foreign lands, encounters with foreign people and their differing viewpoints, tolerance of foreign races, cultures, religions, or traditions.” Mercury represents your ability to think, communicate, and gather information. If Mercury is strongly placed in your horoscope, you will have an increased need for communication and variety. Tying the house and the planet to the rest makes quite a lot of sense out of your observation.
In Venus square Mars you found somethings that you don't agree with. It's important to notice that both Mercury and Venus are in the same sign & house and both are square Mars. Mercury is in rulership in that sign and therefore in a stronger position than Venus. Mercury acts as the depositor in that sign, and what this means is that all planets in that sign will respond to it. Notice how you agreed with Mercury square Mars in contrast to Venus square Mars.
To conclude, after building the depositor tree, Mercury is above all other planets in your chart. Mercury being the most important planet --the boss-- therefore plays a huge role in your life. Now if I were to look at your whole chart I would do so with Mercury always in mind.
EDIT: Check this video with examples of people charts concerning depositor trees.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MySpiritualTrainer#p/u/3/uBfe0crVmLY&fs=1&autoplay=1
Edited by transital (04/22/10 06:18 PM)
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: transital]
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That all makes a lot of sense to me now.  And you do a pretty good job explaining it! How long have you been reading charts?
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I've been having Astrology as a hobby now for about 5 months. I have a pretty basic and general idea of how it works but I'm now trying to get more specific. It would be cool to see clearly what's in the chart in front of you. I still haven't memorized all the associations and I still pick information from sites that I find reliable. I guess with time and practice that will change. I'll send you something by pm that might be useful to know.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: transital]
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I still haven't memorized all the associations and I still pick information from sites that I find reliable.
How do you know which sites are reliable?
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: DieCommie]
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psi powers tell him which ones are
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: DieCommie]
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I still haven't memorized all the associations and I still pick information from sites that I find reliable.
How do you know which sites are reliable?
If it comes up first on a google search then it must be reliable! 
Now in all seriousness, obviously from experience! If I can relate it to MY experience then to me it is reliable. Someone might think totally the opposite and in that situation I couldn't argue with him that it is.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: transital]
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So there is a wide variety of different websites that have different versions of astrology and you pick the ones that match your experience. That makes sense, but Im not sure how that kind of cherry picking can be useful.
Sounds like confirmation bias to me, but I will say no more.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: DieCommie]
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In spirituality there's a very fine line between confirmation bias and intuition. That's why meditation is such an important part to me...it's no bullshit, just stop thinking.
And though I hesitate to use the word, that's also where an element of faith comes in.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: g00ru]
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Faith is the last refuge of unjustified optimists.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: g00ru]
#12437144 - 04/22/10 01:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is astrology spirituality? 
Ive never thought of it as such, I think of it more on the mysticism side of this forum.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: deCypher]
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When is optimism ever unjustified? Reality=perception, to a large degree at least if not completely, so why not always try to be optimistic?
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guruu said:
Reality=perception, to a large degree at least if not completely, so why not always try to be optimistic?
So you claim. Most people dont define reality that way. If reality = perception, why even bother with two different words for the same thing?
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: DieCommie]
#12437171 - 04/22/10 01:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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DieCommie said:
Is astrology spirituality?
Ive never thought of it as such, I think of it more on the mysticism side of this forum.
It certainly could be used in a spiritual sense. If you believe that alignments of planets affect your mind, then you might alter your spiritual practices accordingly.
I'd agree though that the "science" of astrology is more of a mystical or occult practice than a spiritual one.
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guruu said:
Reality=perception, to a large degree at least if not completely, so why not always try to be optimistic?
So you claim. Most people dont define reality that way. If reality = perception, why even bother with two different words for the same thing?
I think there's a false duality between the two concepts. Of course, it's arguable to what degree reality=perception. In my opinion, in they end they are equal to one another. But at the very least, I think a lot of people would agree that if you think good thoughts and expect the best, good things are more likely to happen to you. Of course there is a consensus reality that most of us inhabit to some degree and that is what forms the basis of the separation between reality and perception.
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Re: Is Astrology Real? [Re: DieCommie]
#12437175 - 04/22/10 01:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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DieCommie said:
So there is a wide variety of different websites that have different versions of astrology and you pick the ones that match your experience. That makes sense, but Im not sure how that kind of cherry picking can be useful.
Sounds like confirmation bias to me, but I will say no more.
What is the likelihood that my experience resonates with it and so does the experience of those around me? I'm not interested in holding any dogmas nor am I interested in discrediting something based on my own ignorance. If you honestly study it and it doesn't make sense then what's the point?
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