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 Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories  [Re: Hendostan]
#12319820 - 04/02/10 09:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hendostan said:
wow, i'm surprised at how closed off he was to any beneficial aspects of psychedelic use, and how quickly he dismissed the fact that francis crick was on LSD when he figured out the double helix structure of DNA (which is true). Also, Kary Mullins, the guy who invented PCR (polymerase chain reaction) has said he got the idea originally while tripping. So there's 2 incredibly important scientific discoveries either in spite of, or aided by, psychedelics. Not to mention the world of possibilities in the mental health field... gotta say I'm disappointed with Kaku on this one.
you're surprised? Kaku's a media whore. how would he look if he advocated mushroom use?
well advocate isnt really the word, I guess. What I meant was, if he was open to mushrooms in any way or gave them any credence, it probably wouldnt help him much in his TV career.
In the media's eyes, you're either completely for or against something.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Mind Transcribing] 1
#12319824 - 04/02/10 09:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ROFL
joe rogan is so full of shit, he is a psuedo-scientist, completely full of himself, exaggerates claims, takes things extremely out of context, doesn't have his facts straight, very very VERY narrow minded, puts psychedelics on a magical pedestal...he has pretty much no credibility
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
#12319826 - 04/02/10 09:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I wouldn't be surprised if he's done them
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: xyz789]
#12319837 - 04/02/10 09:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i could listen to this all day thanks!!!
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
#12319838 - 04/02/10 09:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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AsAboveSoBelow said:
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Hendostan said:
wow, i'm surprised at how closed off he was to any beneficial aspects of psychedelic use, and how quickly he dismissed the fact that francis crick was on LSD when he figured out the double helix structure of DNA (which is true). Also, Kary Mullins, the guy who invented PCR (polymerase chain reaction) has said he got the idea originally while tripping. So there's 2 incredibly important scientific discoveries either in spite of, or aided by, psychedelics. Not to mention the world of possibilities in the mental health field... gotta say I'm disappointed with Kaku on this one.
you're surprised? Kaku's a media whore. how would he look if he advocated mushroom use?
he doesn't have to advocate anything. but he doesn't have to equate psychedelics with cocaine and heroin either. there is room for scientific truth regarding psychedelics without losing an ounce of credibility.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: g00ru]
#12319840 - 04/02/10 09:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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and I don't know about you guys but I'm always watching michio kaku videos while on some kind of drug 
here, by the way:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2179179/6977007/
Edited by Envix (04/02/10 09:29 PM)
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AsAboveSoBelow
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Hendostan]
#12319850 - 04/02/10 09:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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he doesn't have to advocate anything. but he doesn't have to equate psychedelics with cocaine and heroin either. there is room for scientific truth regarding psychedelics without losing an ounce of credibility.
right, advocate wasnt the word i was lookin for. see my edit
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Envix]
#12319871 - 04/02/10 09:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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the sad thing though:
michio kaku says he is trying to uncover the mysteries of the universe, and to discover knew things, SADLY he does not realize that magic mushrooms ARE one of the mysteries of the universe.....
im sure though he is so old by now, that if he DID take shrooms, even if it was a heroic dose and kicked his ass, he would still dismiss it as "amazing" non-sense.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Envix]
#12319917 - 04/02/10 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kaku is a smart man.
Joe Rogan is someone who I enjoy having around talking about psychedelics. While he has his head up is ass for most of the things he says, he DOES at the VERY LEAST give people a perspective of the positive usage of these substances.
We need more people like that.
Joe Rogan is wayy too into his theories though. He's already well-known for passing off the ideas of Rick Strassman about DMT and sleeping/dreaming/death as FACT.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#12319943 - 04/02/10 09:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mind Transcribing said:
Rogan comes off as the sterotypical off-the-deep-end psychedelic user to me
Kaku: I've spent my entire life studying physics and using logic to prove what I say.
Rogan: Dude, take some mushrooms! My friends think I'm enlightened now!
Kaku: 
Not that Rogan is necessarily wrong, but I can see why Kaku wouldn't take him seriously.
Pretty interesting vid overall
I pretty much agree with ya here. I don't know what it is about him but I don't really care for him too much. He says some funny things, but i just pick up an ego, or maybe it's just his desperate desire to sound intelligent all the time. idk. was pretty funny that he was trying to say that crick was on lsd when he decoded the genome. "i read about it on the internet," he says.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#12319994 - 04/02/10 09:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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FurrowedBrow said:
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Mind Transcribing said:
Rogan comes off as the sterotypical off-the-deep-end psychedelic user to me
Kaku: I've spent my entire life studying physics and using logic to prove what I say.
Rogan: Dude, take some mushrooms! My friends think I'm enlightened now!
Kaku:
Not that Rogan is necessarily wrong, but I can see why Kaku wouldn't take him seriously.
Pretty interesting vid overall
I pretty much agree with ya here. I don't know what it is about him but I don't really care for him too much. He says some funny things, but i just pick up an ego, or maybe it's just his desperate desire to sound intelligent all the time. idk. was pretty funny that he was trying to say that crick was on lsd when he decoded the genome. "i read about it on the internet," he says.
I haven't looked into the whole Crick thing. Are you sure it isn't true though? You just pass it off with seemingly less info than he.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Hendostan]
#12320048 - 04/02/10 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Angel_Above said:
I haven't looked into the whole Crick thing. Are you sure it isn't true though? You just pass it off with seemingly less info than he.
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Hendostan said:
wow, i'm surprised at how closed off he was to any beneficial aspects of psychedelic use, and how quickly he dismissed the fact that francis crick was on LSD when he figured out the double helix structure of DNA (which is true). Also, Kary Mullins, the guy who invented PCR (polymerase chain reaction) has said he got the idea originally while tripping..
as far as i can tell, its true. there is no "direct" source, since the guy is dead, but there are multiple sources out there that say he at least alluded to it, if not stated it directly. as for kary mullins, he flat out stated that he thought of PCR while on acid. that was a revolutionary idea.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#12320070 - 04/02/10 10:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
there is some major boner smokin' of Kaku lately...
lately?
michio kaku is the shit.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#12320121 - 04/02/10 10:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mind Transcribing said:
Rogan comes off as the sterotypical off-the-deep-end psychedelic user to me
Kaku: I've spent my entire life studying physics and using logic to prove what I say.
Rogan: Dude, take some mushrooms! My friends think I'm enlightened now!
Kaku:
Not that Rogan is necessarily wrong, but I can see why Kaku wouldn't take him seriously.
Pretty interesting vid overall
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Angel_Above]
#12320163 - 04/02/10 10:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rogan does seems way to enthusiastic about drugs. The mention of drug use does seem to create a distance between ideas and reality in this discussion.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Envix]
#12320216 - 04/02/10 10:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was interesting but the reality is that Watson and Ctick discovered DAN over YEARS of research. It was the type of back-breaking, "grind out" type of research that simply took a long time.
There is a misperception that they just dosed LSD and suddenly said: "aha" now I've got it. It was a process measured on the scale of years.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Aleph1]
#12320227 - 04/02/10 10:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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you're surprised? Kaku's a media whore. how would he look if he advocated mushroom use?
I never heard of him before, but it seems to me like there is a lot of politics involved in science and you have to be careful of what you say otherwise you could be booted from the scientific community. Also I would just like to point out that Joe's voice was way louder in this interview.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: Man in the Box]
#12320262 - 04/02/10 11:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rogan should have mentioned Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR and recipient of the '93 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
PCR is the method by which DNA can be replicated in a lab, and without it modern genetics basically wouldn't exist.
Edited by laserpig (04/02/10 11:00 PM)
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: laserpig]
#12320273 - 04/02/10 11:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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laserpig said:
Rogan should have mentioned Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR and recipient of the '93 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
PCR is the method by which DNA can be replicated in a lab, and without it modern genetics basically wouldn't exist.
We've established that point 
But yeah, it's interesting because he says he highly doubts he would have discovered it without the help of good ol' Lucy.
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Re: Joe Rogan and Michio Kaku discuss Terence Mckenna theories [Re: badchad]
#12320324 - 04/02/10 11:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said:
It was interesting but the reality is that Watson and Ctick discovered DAN over YEARS of research. It was the type of back-breaking, "grind out" type of research that simply took a long time.
and a little stolen data as well. 
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